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bartrat -> Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 4:44:01 PM)

I would guess that the game engine does not allow the capture of unescorted cargo/passenger ships at sea. Am I incorrect?
It would be a nice addition to the game if you could do that (early war Japanese captured a few ships on the high seas).

Historically the Japanese did salvage some ships scuttled in port (cargo ships). I believe the game engine does not support this. Am I incorrect?



Amoral -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 4:47:35 PM)

When you capture a port with ships that cannot leave you see <shipname> scuttled to prevent capture. There is no option to salvage those vessels.



dr.hal -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 5:18:38 PM)

There is no salvage or capture option in the game. IIRC in the real war it was only small vessels that were turned around (PGs and the like) as I don't recall any warship DD or above that was captured and used by the other side.



LargeSlowTarget -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 6:49:10 PM)

DD USS Stewart was captured at Soerabaja in damaged state and used by the IJN as patrol boat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stewart_%28DD-224%29

Would be a nice addition to the game but won't happen...



pmelheck1 -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 7:18:55 PM)

DD Stewart reminds me not so much of something that should be possible in the game but to me shows how desperate the Japanese were for patrol craft. To raise the ship after a year and get it to operate to me is quite a feat. I know with captured equipment it can't be maintained except by cannibalism except for the simplest of repairs or parts that are not unique. For equipment like a tank or a artillery piece this can be done but most combatants don't have several spare captured ships to keep one running. For cargo ships it's less of an issue for very simple ships and for ships sold internationally.



spence -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 8:27:07 PM)

Go to Combinedfleet.com: there is a fairly substantial list of warships that were captured (mostly in the DEI I think). It includes a pair of Chinese CLs (term used a little loosely), a couple of DDs (IIRC) and some PB/PCs.

Won't happen in the game I'm afraid.

IIRC, the USS Stewart "got re-captured" at the end of the war and finally went to the breakers yard in the US.



obvert -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 10:05:33 PM)

In light of the recent thread about ship repair and dry-docks I thought this part was interesting. I hadn't realized it was an accident in the dock that did her in at Soerabaja. Whoops!

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Stewart, as the most severely damaged ship, was the first to enter the floating drydock at Surabaya on 22 February. However, she was inadequately supported in the dock, and as the dock rose, the ship fell off the keel blocks onto her side in 12 ft (4 m) of water, bending her propeller shafts and causing further hull damage. With the port under enemy air attack and in danger of falling to the enemy, the ship could not be repaired. Responsibility for the destruction of the ship was given to naval authorities ashore, and Stewart's last crew members left the embattled port on the afternoon of 22 February.



czert2 -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 10:25:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

DD USS Stewart was captured at Soerabaja in damaged state and used by the IJN as patrol boat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stewart_%28DD-224%29

Would be a nice addition to the game but won't happen...

well, you can allway dream about withp 2 with this feature in :)



wdolson -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 10:51:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

In light of the recent thread about ship repair and dry-docks I thought this part was interesting. I hadn't realized it was an accident in the dock that did her in at Soerabaja. Whoops!

quote:

Stewart, as the most severely damaged ship, was the first to enter the floating drydock at Surabaya on 22 February. However, she was inadequately supported in the dock, and as the dock rose, the ship fell off the keel blocks onto her side in 12 ft (4 m) of water, bending her propeller shafts and causing further hull damage. With the port under enemy air attack and in danger of falling to the enemy, the ship could not be repaired. Responsibility for the destruction of the ship was given to naval authorities ashore, and Stewart's last crew members left the embattled port on the afternoon of 22 February.



In the ship repair thread a week or so back I was describing the time it took to put a ship into dry dock and mentioned that it was a career limiting move to allow a carrier to fall over. Someone asked if it ever happened in real life. I found some modern pictures of merchant ships and such, but didn't know that is what did in the Stewart.

Bill



jmalter -> RE: Capturing cargo ships (3/25/2014 11:01:46 PM)

I've read that the Japanese captured a passel of ships when they occupied French Indo-China - the figure 750,000 tons sticks in my mind. But of course that happened before 07Dec41, so perhaps this shipping is already in the game.



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