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WIF_Killzone -> Really Enjoying the Game (3/25/2014 11:09:59 PM)

Haven't posted in a while but thought I'd drop by and give some kudos.

I'm really enjoying the game and play constantly when time allows (which is a couple of hours every day). The game is super stable for me, I haven't had issues (except my own game play) in months.

Watching the bug fixes and uploading patches when I feel like it as many of the bug fixes simply don't effect me. I still save games frequently, but now its to protect me from myself, aka dumb moves instead of worried about fatal errors.

Like the new approach to bug fixes as obviously an internal assessment indicates fatal issues don't need the attention they once did.

Right now I'm in November December 1944 (decline and fall) and Italy is still in the war, in fact I haven't yet invaded Italy, my bad. In the west I haven't Paris yet (although it will fall this turn). I played Germany quite defensively, probably only attacked less than half a dozen times. Nevertheless they are crumbling.

In the East Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Poland have been liberated. In the west, Germany-Bremen has been invaded in strength, Belgium and Netherlands taken, and the line breached. Germany is down to 20 build points, probably 15 at end of turn.

In the pacific, same story, japan has many 6 and some 7 fighters, many navs, China is running rampant though. The US now has to find a way to kill all that land air, without losing all their cv's in the process, retake Philippines, destroy Truk (dam those interior lines) and basically penetrate a good D.

Anyways, back to game play, Berlin by July! Italy by September! Japan, hmmm.







bo -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 1:13:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Haven't posted in a while but thought I'd drop by and give some kudos.

I'm really enjoying the game and play constantly when time allows (which is a couple of hours every day). The game is super stable for me, I haven't had issues (except my own game play) in months.

Watching the bug fixes and uploading patches when I feel like it as many of the bug fixes simply don't effect me. I still save games frequently, but now its to protect me from myself, aka dumb moves instead of worried about fatal errors.

Like the new approach to bug fixes as obviously an internal assessment indicates fatal issues don't need the attention they once did.

Right now I'm in November December 1944 (decline and fall) and Italy is still in the war, in fact I haven't yet invaded Italy, my bad. In the west I haven't Paris yet (although it will fall this turn). I played Germany quite defensively, probably only attacked less than half a dozen times. Nevertheless they are crumbling.

In the East Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Poland have been liberated. In the west, Germany-Bremen has been invaded in strength, Belgium and Netherlands taken, and the line breached. Germany is down to 20 build points, probably 15 at end of turn.

In the pacific, same story, japan has many 6 and some 7 fighters, many navs, China is running rampant though. The US now has to find a way to kill all that land air, without losing all their cv's in the process, retake Philippines, destroy Truk (dam those interior lines) and basically penetrate a good D.

Anyways, back to game play, Berlin by July! Italy by September! Japan, hmmm.







Oh WIF you are in trouble around here [:-] There are rules here now and you just violated the biggest one, ENJOYING THE GAME [sm=sign0003.gif] people are going to be very angry around here about that statement [:@] I have gone through Barbarossa and Guadalcanal a few times without a hitch, not one problem. Interface works well for me but could use some fine tuning later on. It does get boring defeating myself one way or the other.

I will be much more comfortable when the AI is installed or netplay and the rest of supply is cleaned up. Still a lot of work to do but appreciate a positive comment once in a while. Put your armor plating on [:D]

Bo






WarHunter -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 8:06:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Haven't posted in a while but thought I'd drop by and give some kudos.

I'm really enjoying the game and play constantly when time allows (which is a couple of hours every day). The game is super stable for me, I haven't had issues (except my own game play) in months.

Watching the bug fixes and uploading patches when I feel like it as many of the bug fixes simply don't effect me. I still save games frequently, but now its to protect me from myself, aka dumb moves instead of worried about fatal errors.

Like the new approach to bug fixes as obviously an internal assessment indicates fatal issues don't need the attention they once did.

Right now I'm in November December 1944 (decline and fall) and Italy is still in the war, in fact I haven't yet invaded Italy, my bad. In the west I haven't Paris yet (although it will fall this turn). I played Germany quite defensively, probably only attacked less than half a dozen times. Nevertheless they are crumbling.

In the East Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Poland have been liberated. In the west, Germany-Bremen has been invaded in strength, Belgium and Netherlands taken, and the line breached. Germany is down to 20 build points, probably 15 at end of turn.

In the pacific, same story, japan has many 6 and some 7 fighters, many navs, China is running rampant though. The US now has to find a way to kill all that land air, without losing all their cv's in the process, retake Philippines, destroy Truk (dam those interior lines) and basically penetrate a good D.

Anyways, back to game play, Berlin by July! Italy by September! Japan, hmmm.

If you like it now.
Wait til you have NetPlay.

But you cant have Bo.[:-]
I get him first for a NetPlay game.

Just the thought of breaking in Bo to his first Mano el Mano MWiF.[sm=duel.gif]

Well, the anticipation is quite a thrill.

I may need a tissue.
or 2. [:'(]




Centuur -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 10:11:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WarHunter


quote:

ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Haven't posted in a while but thought I'd drop by and give some kudos.

I'm really enjoying the game and play constantly when time allows (which is a couple of hours every day). The game is super stable for me, I haven't had issues (except my own game play) in months.

Watching the bug fixes and uploading patches when I feel like it as many of the bug fixes simply don't effect me. I still save games frequently, but now its to protect me from myself, aka dumb moves instead of worried about fatal errors.

Like the new approach to bug fixes as obviously an internal assessment indicates fatal issues don't need the attention they once did.

Right now I'm in November December 1944 (decline and fall) and Italy is still in the war, in fact I haven't yet invaded Italy, my bad. In the west I haven't Paris yet (although it will fall this turn). I played Germany quite defensively, probably only attacked less than half a dozen times. Nevertheless they are crumbling.

In the East Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Poland have been liberated. In the west, Germany-Bremen has been invaded in strength, Belgium and Netherlands taken, and the line breached. Germany is down to 20 build points, probably 15 at end of turn.

In the pacific, same story, japan has many 6 and some 7 fighters, many navs, China is running rampant though. The US now has to find a way to kill all that land air, without losing all their cv's in the process, retake Philippines, destroy Truk (dam those interior lines) and basically penetrate a good D.

Anyways, back to game play, Berlin by July! Italy by September! Japan, hmmm.

If you like it now.
Wait til you have NetPlay.

But you cant have Bo.[:-]
I get him first for a NetPlay game.

Just the thought of breaking in Bo to his first Mano el Mano MWiF.[sm=duel.gif]

Well, the anticipation is quite a thrill.

I may need a tissue.
or 2. [:'(]



Well, he's still not taken on my invitation too... I think he's afraid because he will get pounded on (well, that's how one learns WiF, the hard way...).




Joseignacio -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 11:40:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WarHunter


quote:

ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Haven't posted in a while but thought I'd drop by and give some kudos.

I'm really enjoying the game and play constantly when time allows (which is a couple of hours every day). The game is super stable for me, I haven't had issues (except my own game play) in months.

Watching the bug fixes and uploading patches when I feel like it as many of the bug fixes simply don't effect me. I still save games frequently, but now its to protect me from myself, aka dumb moves instead of worried about fatal errors.

Like the new approach to bug fixes as obviously an internal assessment indicates fatal issues don't need the attention they once did.

Right now I'm in November December 1944 (decline and fall) and Italy is still in the war, in fact I haven't yet invaded Italy, my bad. In the west I haven't Paris yet (although it will fall this turn). I played Germany quite defensively, probably only attacked less than half a dozen times. Nevertheless they are crumbling.

In the East Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Poland have been liberated. In the west, Germany-Bremen has been invaded in strength, Belgium and Netherlands taken, and the line breached. Germany is down to 20 build points, probably 15 at end of turn.

In the pacific, same story, japan has many 6 and some 7 fighters, many navs, China is running rampant though. The US now has to find a way to kill all that land air, without losing all their cv's in the process, retake Philippines, destroy Truk (dam those interior lines) and basically penetrate a good D.

Anyways, back to game play, Berlin by July! Italy by September! Japan, hmmm.

If you like it now.
Wait til you have NetPlay.

But you cant have Bo.[:-]
I get him first for a NetPlay game.

Just the thought of breaking in Bo to his first Mano el Mano MWiF.[sm=duel.gif]

Well, the anticipation is quite a thrill.

I may need a tissue.
or 2. [:'(]




[:-] Almost [:D]

Mano a Mano [sm=00000436.gif] [sm=sterb029.gif]




bo -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 1:30:49 PM)

Hmmm, aha the duel, seconds standing by to stitch up your wounds, scars on your face for life from the rapier, blood on the grass, it brings me back to my glorious past of dueling.

I am again D'Artagnan in my dreams demanding Athos [warhunter] to meet me at 1pm.[sm=duel.gif]
Porthos [centuur] to meet me at 2pm.[sm=duel.gif] Aramis [Jose] to meet me at 3pm,[sm=duel.gif] their lives in my hand, what a feeling, on second thought I much prefer the Epee for a dueling weapon with a cap on the point of the sword, a lot safer gentlemen, I hate to see my own blood spilled on hollow ground, ugh. [:(]

Bo




Joseignacio -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 1:58:35 PM)

Hahhaah, no Bo, I may not be as experienced or as good as Centuur or Warhunter, dunno, but you, I know you are not so experienced and I don't want queue to (try to) have a supposedly easier win. Note the "supposedly" part...

[sm=terms.gif]




Centuur -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 2:05:10 PM)

I'm good? Don't know if I am... It's too long ago that I played the game against a human opponent, so I probably get trashed if I go up against the likes of Joseignacio or Warhunter...




Joseignacio -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 2:09:50 PM)

That's why I said "dunno" (don't know). More experienced I believe yes, or at least you learn better from your experience, considering that you usually are right when we disagree on some rules' matter.




Centuur -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 2:13:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

That's why I said "dunno" (don't know). More experienced I believe yes, or at least you learn better from your experience, considering that you usually are right when we disagree on some rules' matter.


But that has come around due to testing MWIF for a long time. You're slowly getting to be a rule lawyer if you have to test MWIF's code. Is this wrong or right, let's see what's in RAW.

Tactics and strategy is a whole other thing. Especially at sea I consider myself to be a bad admiral...




bo -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 3:09:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Hahhaah, no Bo, I may not be as experienced or as good as Centuur or Warhunter, dunno, but you, I know you are not so experienced and I don't want queue to (try to) have a supposedly easier win. Note the "supposedly" part...

[sm=terms.gif]


Excuse me Jose, Bo not experienced, I have a perfect unbeaten record of 23 to 0 against myself [:D] Oh ok I turned the computer off a few times and restarted when I came close to losing which is what I would do if I were to play the humble 3, Warhunter, Centuur and Jose if ever I came close to losing, doubtful[;)] Inexperienced also means the unpredictable, rash, daring, elan.

I would smash across Netherlands borders with my mighty Panzers, roar to the North Sea, destroy all the dikes and turn the Netherlands into a German Lake [;)] My mountain troops would cut through the Prynees open the way for the mighty Whermacht roaring into the plains of Spain crossing the mighty Ebro, racing into Madrid, south to capture Seville, southeast, rip into Cartegena, southwest to Cadiz, and finally the prize Gibraltar. Yes Jose there is no more El Cid in Spain to save you he is long gone.

I might think of defeating the United States but even all my superior armed forces would not be safe in East LA [:D] Isn't that right Warhunter.

Bo





bo -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 3:12:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur

I'm good? Don't know if I am... It's too long ago that I played the game against a human opponent, so I probably get trashed if I go up against the likes of Joseignacio or Warhunter...



Errr centuur, you left out the Bo [:(]

Bo




Joseignacio -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 4:52:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Hahhaah, no Bo, I may not be as experienced or as good as Centuur or Warhunter, dunno, but you, I know you are not so experienced and I don't want queue to (try to) have a supposedly easier win. Note the "supposedly" part...

[sm=terms.gif]


Excuse me Jose, Bo not experienced, I have a perfect unbeaten record of 23 to 0 against myself [:D] Oh ok I turned the computer off a few times and restarted when I came close to losing which is what I would do if I were to play the humble 3, Warhunter, Centuur and Jose if ever I came close to losing, doubtful[;)] Inexperienced also means the unpredictable, rash, daring, elan.

I would smash across Netherlands borders with my mighty Panzers, roar to the North Sea, destroy all the dikes and turn the Netherlands into a German Lake [;)] My mountain troops would cut through the Prynees open the way for the mighty Whermacht roaring into the plains of Spain crossing the mighty Ebro, racing into Madrid, south to capture Seville, southeast, rip into Cartegena, southwest to Cadiz, and finally the prize Gibraltar. Yes Jose there is no more El Cid in Spain to save you he is long gone.

I might think of defeating the United States but even all my superior armed forces would not be safe in East LA [:D] Isn't that right Warhunter.

Bo




Hahahaha.

Bo, the experience human vs human is a plus. If you saw the games of WIF, where there is always a new tactic, trying to unbalance your rival... I have seen many things maybe I wouldn't have thought by myself.

Like invading Spain or Portugal, which surprised me a lot at first, like invading Persia for the oil, surrendering China on purpose, to damage the Japanese player, the french player aligning Jugoslavia, using German bimotors to control the Mediterranean against the Btrit carriers...

These things are well know for experienced players but if you are unexperienced you need to invent them all again.

Plus, it's not the first time I try to invade in storm (which you cannot), unveiling my strategy, or I don't send interceptors cause I can intercept later but it's not the case because they are out of supply (and I didn't realize), I miscalculated the effective range. or I think there is a counter-interception subphase and there is not... things that you know but maybe not realize if you aren't a minimally frequent player.

In a recent game, I put one unit in the Prypet marshes to defend at a double value and help ZOC the German advance in the first impulses of Barbarossa. OF course, it doubled but when it became OOS was worth only 1. I intended to restore it with a supply plane so that I would be again full value but it had been a Combined impulse, not a Land and 1 plane was not enough.

This kind of things may destroy a Front and sometimes a game...[:)]

Maybe you'd try to roar your Panzer inside the North Sea...[:'(]




WarHunter -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 5:14:59 PM)

The joy of playing MWiF with others, excites all your senses in many unexpected ways.
The sight of your opponent throwing dice across the room. The smell of smoke from as you break from a long engaging impulse. The sounds of cussing directed at noone and everything. The taste of beer and pretzels as you wait for the movement phase to end in 1944. The feeling you get when everything is done right and the dice are with you.

No AI will replace those moments.

Bo knows, he is not afraid. He is only green with basic training soon to be in the thick of it. Don't ever feel like we are the enemy. We are just lucky to play today and teach what we have learned.

I'm kinda partial to those old Zatoichi samurai duels. They had great dramatic buildup.[sm=bow.gif]

Also this....
crush your enemies, see then driven before you... and hear the lamentation of their women.
Conan the Musical
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGOQ7SsJrw




Centuur -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/26/2014 5:38:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur

I'm good? Don't know if I am... It's too long ago that I played the game against a human opponent, so I probably get trashed if I go up against the likes of Joseignacio or Warhunter...



Errr centuur, you left out the Bo [:(]

Bo


Allright. After you have finished your training and have lost against a lot of the most honourable friends in this forum, you will probably have the distinct opportunity to trash me in MWIF... [:D]

Cheers... [sm=00000436.gif]




Joseignacio -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/27/2014 9:29:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

That's why I said "dunno" (don't know). More experienced I believe yes, or at least you learn better from your experience, considering that you usually are right when we disagree on some rules' matter.


But that has come around due to testing MWIF for a long time. You're slowly getting to be a rule lawyer if you have to test MWIF's code. Is this wrong or right, let's see what's in RAW.

Tactics and strategy is a whole other thing. Especially at sea I consider myself to be a bad admiral...



Knowing the rules is vital.
I have tried to do many things that came out to be impossible, frustrating my plans and sometimes making victory almost impossible, and I have failed to recognize possible advantages because I didn't know such things were possible.

Examples:

- As a USA player, I didn't really care too much about the Jap strengthening of Truk, cause I thought I would attack from the islands. I had only played Europe, and never tried to attack from one island to another. Then I found out that I couldn't attack with INF from one island to another even if they were adjacent, part of an archipelago, and the same territory (which is clear in the rules but I didn't realize because of my lack of experience), and that MAR attacked from one to the other island only halved.

I had some problems too, when I wanted to use o Chit to double the attack as for where the HQ should be (HQ are not amphibious so they cannot attack from the next island), in an adjacent island, in a ship in the closer sea, or if it had to be invading as well (from a transport) and what is the area it can give his bonus to. The MAR were in range? The invading INF divisions from cruisers? And more.

This costed me 1 more year of war just to take Truk, and it endangered seriously the timing of the war for me. Because I didn't know the rules so I didn't see the danger.

- As an axis player, I got so surprised when the USA or UK player declared war on Portugal (which I then didn't know it could be done without any reason, without AXIS aligning or invading Spain for example) ... till I saw how the americans used Azores to rebase planes to Europe (that they would have had to ship otherwise) and the Brits have a base to easily defend their convoys. I failed to recognize this opportunity because I thought I couldn't do it because I didn't know the rules well.




Centuur -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/27/2014 6:35:55 PM)

Knowing the rules is one thing. Getting the right strategy and tactics another. Sure, I know how to defend properly and how to attack, using the available terrain. The air force, well, let's just say I can make good use of it. However, the fleet? I still don't get it. There's something there which I don't seem to understand.

A good admiral knows when to fight and when not to fight. Now, that's a very difficult decision for me to make, since I don't seem to be able to get to estimate the combat losses in advance. The outcome of a naval battle is always a gamble, even with a far superior force in a sea area you can get trashed by the opponent by rolling a bad die compared to the opponent having all the luck in the world...

So I put in some more research in the major naval battles of the war. And there it is: most of those battles were lost or won due to being lucky or not. Tactics simply have nothing to do with it. You get found by the enemy? You might be in trouble if your planes are sitting on deck of your carrier at that moment, being refuelled. The Hood blown out of the seas? Lucky shot. The sea battles at Guadalcanal: a continuing story of being lucky or unlucky. And than there was the battle at Leyte Gulf (I think it was there), where the Japanese admiral thought he was up to some fleet carriers, but only had a couple of escort carriers against him. If he had attacked, those US marines would have been slaughtered in the transports. And so it goes on, and on, and on.

Now, being somewhat of a cautious man where it comes around to accepting losses on my forces, depending on lucky dice is one of the things I'm not really happy about. You know, I like to be in control. At sea in World in Flames, there is no way you are in control of things happening. That's historically right, of course, but I still think I'm not a good admiral at all (I would even say a lousy one).

Or were all admirals in WW II lousy ones and was the major part of being an admiral that you need to be lucky? I don't know...




Missouri_Rebel -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/27/2014 8:19:46 PM)

I am enjoying it also the more I learn. Even though I have a Beta copy I just bought a retail boxed set version a few minutes ago. I feel that confident that Steve will progress this wonderful game to where everyone would like it to be. I just wish I knew the system like many of you do. The more I uncover the more I understand what made you guys think so highly of WiF. I'm not sure Id ever have a reason to buy any other grand strat game ever again.

mo reb




AxelNL -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/27/2014 8:25:57 PM)

Time to change your avatar, mo? Perhaps getting the first Olive Drab US counters Warhunter is working on?




Missouri_Rebel -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/27/2014 8:45:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AxelNL

Time to change your avatar, mo? Perhaps getting the first Olive Drab US counters Warhunter is working on?



Now you're talking. Love to see the Mighty Missouri in olive drab. Warhunter is doing a remarkable job no doubt.

Edit: Another player had his books shipped here when he purchased to save him a few bucks. Needless to say theyre not looking too good right now because of my favorite reading location- the bathtub. lol. In a few weeks when we get our hot tub that may change. At least now Ill have another set of books that I can keep in pristine shape.




paulderynck -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/28/2014 3:34:58 AM)

It would only be the right thing to do for you to ship your new ones to that other player. [:-]




Joseignacio -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/28/2014 7:47:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur

Knowing the rules is one thing. Getting the right strategy and tactics another. Sure, I know how to defend properly and how to attack, using the available terrain. The air force, well, let's just say I can make good use of it. However, the fleet? I still don't get it. There's something there which I don't seem to understand.

A good admiral knows when to fight and when not to fight. Now, that's a very difficult decision for me to make, since I don't seem to be able to get to estimate the combat losses in advance. The outcome of a naval battle is always a gamble, even with a far superior force in a sea area you can get trashed by the opponent by rolling a bad die compared to the opponent having all the luck in the world...

So I put in some more research in the major naval battles of the war. And there it is: most of those battles were lost or won due to being lucky or not. Tactics simply have nothing to do with it. You get found by the enemy? You might be in trouble if your planes are sitting on deck of your carrier at that moment, being refueled. The Hood blown out of the seas? Lucky shot. The sea battles at Guadalcanal: a continuing story of being lucky or unlucky. And than there was the battle at Leyte Gulf (I think it was there), where the Japanese admiral thought he was up to some fleet carriers, but only had a couple of escort carriers against him. If he had attacked, those US marines would have been slaughtered in the transports. And so it goes on, and on, and on.

Now, being somewhat of a cautious man where it comes around to accepting losses on my forces, depending on lucky dice is one of the things I'm not really happy about. You know, I like to be in control. At sea in World in Flames, there is no way you are in control of things happening. That's historically right, of course, but I still think I'm not a good admiral at all (I would even say a lousy one).

Or were all admirals in WW II lousy ones and was the major part of being an admiral that you need to be lucky? I don't know...




As an experienced English player, I am experienced in sea battles and sea support, which as mentioned is necessary to be a good admiral but not necessarily enough.

That said, it's very true that naval battles depend more on luck, like in Hofgeismar (I think you were around that time) when I (UK) made 10 searches in 10 impulses of the Italian fleet and fail the 10 of them but he found me most of his. Although I had advantage in planes and Ships, he was able to put some bombers each time along the battle, which is not strange, but then used the surprise to select targets and increase damage. Since my rolls were 7 to 10 and his were mostly 1s, with some 2 (he needed to, to find me because he was on level 1 or 2 all the time, to be able to get land based fighters' support, ..). I was on level 3 and he had a convoy for supply purposes, so I hit with a 4 (that I never got). One of the worsts losing streaks I have had.

This costed me 4 carriers, several more ships, paralyzing the Libyan UK offensive because IT units were supplied, ..., with few losses on his part. It was not stupid on my part because we needed to take Tripoli to surrender Italy and he was pretty weak already at the desert, I was attacking in superiority at sea and was at a higher box, however...

Yes, sh*t happens. But if you are experienced or intuitive, or better, both, you can do things. Like putting one of your own convoys so he can more easily find you even with a worse roll (questionable tactic, but still...) or much better, if t he occasion is worth it, spend O points at port to get a number of re-rolls (yours or opponents).

But if you don't know you can spend O points (or O Chits) for this, it will never occur to you. This is what I mean about knowledge, you need it to be a good player, although is not the only thing you need to have.

Of course there are moments when you need to see when it's better to leave the combat but, in my case for example, at first I always thought that all my planes should have to fight till the end of the air combat. Now I know I can leave that air combat after the first round, take my losses and no unit needs to leave the sea (acceptable if they don't include sunk ships, for example or even with one sunk carrier if you are facing the whole American fleet and you've been unlucky).

This can be considered a good tactic, but you cannot know it unless you know the rules that allow you to. Rules don't make you a good admiral, but you cannot be the best admiral you can be without knowing the rules.




WIF_Killzone -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/28/2014 3:16:55 PM)

Why is it experienced English Players all seem to know the rules for evacuating troops on transports. I guess that's the first thing learned early on in a game [:D]


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur

Knowing the rules is one thing. Getting the right strategy and tactics another. Sure, I know how to defend properly and how to attack, using the available terrain. The air force, well, let's just say I can make good use of it. However, the fleet? I still don't get it. There's something there which I don't seem to understand.

A good admiral knows when to fight and when not to fight. Now, that's a very difficult decision for me to make, since I don't seem to be able to get to estimate the combat losses in advance. The outcome of a naval battle is always a gamble, even with a far superior force in a sea area you can get trashed by the opponent by rolling a bad die compared to the opponent having all the luck in the world...

So I put in some more research in the major naval battles of the war. And there it is: most of those battles were lost or won due to being lucky or not. Tactics simply have nothing to do with it. You get found by the enemy? You might be in trouble if your planes are sitting on deck of your carrier at that moment, being refueled. The Hood blown out of the seas? Lucky shot. The sea battles at Guadalcanal: a continuing story of being lucky or unlucky. And than there was the battle at Leyte Gulf (I think it was there), where the Japanese admiral thought he was up to some fleet carriers, but only had a couple of escort carriers against him. If he had attacked, those US marines would have been slaughtered in the transports. And so it goes on, and on, and on.

Now, being somewhat of a cautious man where it comes around to accepting losses on my forces, depending on lucky dice is one of the things I'm not really happy about. You know, I like to be in control. At sea in World in Flames, there is no way you are in control of things happening. That's historically right, of course, but I still think I'm not a good admiral at all (I would even say a lousy one).

Or were all admirals in WW II lousy ones and was the major part of being an admiral that you need to be lucky? I don't know...




As an experienced English player, I am experienced in sea battles and sea support, which as mentioned is necessary to be a good admiral but not necessarily enough.

That said, it's very true that naval battles depend more on luck, like in Hofgeismar (I think you were around that time) when I (UK) made 10 searches in 10 impulses of the Italian fleet and fail the 10 of them but he found me most of his. Although I had advantage in planes and Ships, he was able to put some bombers each time along the battle, which is not strange, but then used the surprise to select targets and increase damage. Since my rolls were 7 to 10 and his were mostly 1s, with some 2 (he needed to, to find me because he was on level 1 or 2 all the time, to be able to get land based fighters' support, ..). I was on level 3 and he had a convoy for supply purposes, so I hit with a 4 (that I never got). One of the worsts losing streaks I have had.

This costed me 4 carriers, several more ships, paralyzing the Libyan UK offensive because IT units were supplied, ..., with few losses on his part. It was not stupid on my part because we needed to take Tripoli to surrender Italy and he was pretty weak already at the desert, I was attacking in superiority at sea and was at a higher box, however...

Yes, sh*t happens. But if you are experienced or intuitive, or better, both, you can do things. Like putting one of your own convoys so he can more easily find you even with a worse roll (questionable tactic, but still...) or much better, if t he occasion is worth it, spend O points at port to get a number of re-rolls (yours or opponents).

But if you don't know you can spend O points (or O Chits) for this, it will never occur to you. This is what I mean about knowledge, you need it to be a good player, although is not the only thing you need to have.

Of course there are moments when you need to see when it's better to leave the combat but, in my case for example, at first I always thought that all my planes should have to fight till the end of the air combat. Now I know I can leave that air combat after the first round, take my losses and no unit needs to leave the sea (acceptable if they don't include sunk ships, for example or even with one sunk carrier if you are facing the whole American fleet and you've been unlucky).

This can be considered a good tactic, but you cannot know it unless you know the rules that allow you to. Rules don't make you a good admiral, but you cannot be the best admiral you can be without knowing the rules.





tacfire -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/28/2014 3:47:04 PM)

I have been enjoying the game very much so far.

I have hit a bug here or there like all the rest, but nothing game-breaking so far - the key is to resave frequently and reload.
Right now I am in the middle of a solitaire global war campaign - playing with almost all the optional rules enabled.

I am new to the game system so it has taken me many months to get to this point but I am really starting to appreciate the subtleties of all the rules, and how they interact with each other.

The Naval system really took me a long time to get a grasp on, but I am starting to get an understanding of it as well.
But I think the game will take years to truely master.

Thank you for developing the game and keep up the good work!

This game will be a masterpiece someday when all the options are implemented and there will be a working AI.




Missouri_Rebel -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/28/2014 4:47:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

It would only be the right thing to do for you to ship your new ones to that other player. [:-]



If you want to pay for the shipping to Indonesia I think it was I'd have no problem with that.




WIF_Killzone -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/29/2014 9:57:58 PM)

Maybe we need some sort of bidding system for a chance to play Bo. Better yet when netplay stabilizes, we all play him.

Who's first on your list Bo?


quote:

ORIGINAL: WarHunter


quote:

ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Haven't posted in a while but thought I'd drop by and give some kudos.

I'm really enjoying the game and play constantly when time allows (which is a couple of hours every day). The game is super stable for me, I haven't had issues (except my own game play) in months.

Watching the bug fixes and uploading patches when I feel like it as many of the bug fixes simply don't effect me. I still save games frequently, but now its to protect me from myself, aka dumb moves instead of worried about fatal errors.

Like the new approach to bug fixes as obviously an internal assessment indicates fatal issues don't need the attention they once did.

Right now I'm in November December 1944 (decline and fall) and Italy is still in the war, in fact I haven't yet invaded Italy, my bad. In the west I haven't Paris yet (although it will fall this turn). I played Germany quite defensively, probably only attacked less than half a dozen times. Nevertheless they are crumbling.

In the East Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Poland have been liberated. In the west, Germany-Bremen has been invaded in strength, Belgium and Netherlands taken, and the line breached. Germany is down to 20 build points, probably 15 at end of turn.

In the pacific, same story, japan has many 6 and some 7 fighters, many navs, China is running rampant though. The US now has to find a way to kill all that land air, without losing all their cv's in the process, retake Philippines, destroy Truk (dam those interior lines) and basically penetrate a good D.

Anyways, back to game play, Berlin by July! Italy by September! Japan, hmmm.

If you like it now.
Wait til you have NetPlay.

But you cant have Bo.[:-]
I get him first for a NetPlay game.

Just the thought of breaking in Bo to his first Mano el Mano MWiF.[sm=duel.gif]

Well, the anticipation is quite a thrill.

I may need a tissue.
or 2. [:'(]






bo -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (3/30/2014 4:46:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Maybe we need some sort of bidding system for a chance to play Bo. Better yet when netplay stabilizes, we all play him.

Who's first on your list Bo?


quote:

ORIGINAL: WarHunter


quote:

ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Haven't posted in a while but thought I'd drop by and give some kudos.

I'm really enjoying the game and play constantly when time allows (which is a couple of hours every day). The game is super stable for me, I haven't had issues (except my own game play) in months.

Watching the bug fixes and uploading patches when I feel like it as many of the bug fixes simply don't effect me. I still save games frequently, but now its to protect me from myself, aka dumb moves instead of worried about fatal errors.

Like the new approach to bug fixes as obviously an internal assessment indicates fatal issues don't need the attention they once did.

Right now I'm in November December 1944 (decline and fall) and Italy is still in the war, in fact I haven't yet invaded Italy, my bad. In the west I haven't Paris yet (although it will fall this turn). I played Germany quite defensively, probably only attacked less than half a dozen times. Nevertheless they are crumbling.

In the East Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Poland have been liberated. In the west, Germany-Bremen has been invaded in strength, Belgium and Netherlands taken, and the line breached. Germany is down to 20 build points, probably 15 at end of turn.

In the pacific, same story, japan has many 6 and some 7 fighters, many navs, China is running rampant though. The US now has to find a way to kill all that land air, without losing all their cv's in the process, retake Philippines, destroy Truk (dam those interior lines) and basically penetrate a good D.

Anyways, back to game play, Berlin by July! Italy by September! Japan, hmmm.

If you like it now.
Wait til you have NetPlay.

But you cant have Bo.[:-]
I get him first for a NetPlay game.

Just the thought of breaking in Bo to his first Mano el Mano MWiF.[sm=duel.gif]

Well, the anticipation is quite a thrill.

I may need a tissue.
or 2. [:'(]






A poor AI [:D]

Bo




WarHunter -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (4/1/2014 3:44:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bo
A poor AI [:D]
Bo


By the time a poor AI is in your hands. You will have fought across the entire world with WIF_Killzone, Joseignacio, Centuur and me. I suggest stocking up on some beer, beans and BS so we can entertain each other in the manly pursuit of virtual combat. [sm=sterb029.gif][sm=sterb003.gif][sm=00000106.gif]




Joseignacio -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (4/1/2014 8:59:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WarHunter


quote:

ORIGINAL: bo
A poor AI [:D]
Bo


By the time a poor AI is in your hands. You will have fought across the entire world with WIF_Killzone, Joseignacio, Centuur and me. I suggest stocking up on some beer, beans and BS so we can entertain each other in the manly pursuit of virtual combat. [sm=sterb029.gif][sm=sterb003.gif][sm=00000106.gif]


Hahahaha

Beer and beans.. dangerous mix. [sm=scared0008.gif][sm=Crazy-1271.gif]




CanInf -> RE: Really Enjoying the Game (4/8/2014 7:50:59 PM)

I used to play the old board game a LOT. But this game is sooooo much better!!! I am having a blast with a hot seat game! The interface isn't 100 per cent intuitive, then again moving stacks of tiny pieces of cardboard around wasn't much fun either! and it's great never ever to have a rules dispute! Ohh God they were awful. Setup in an hour! wow! it would take us one entire day! had a few glitches, but not many, and the latest patch seemed to do the job for a crash that happened several times using oil to fop units back. Thanks for bringing this game back to life. I am certain, it will only get better over time, and maybe even expand to the 1936 timeframe... agh but that's years away!






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