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GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/1/2014 6:17:22 AM)
The KI-43 IIb is advancing fast. I really hope this armoured version will help my poor Oscar sentais to be a little be more competitive, cause now i'm really feeling the inferiority of the KI-43 Ic version. The next 3 months will be critical for the R&D program. We expect to get the A6M3a, the KI-43 IIb and the A6M5 in this order. I am particularly looking forward the A6M5. Even if still unarmoured, the encreased DUR should give the zero a better chance of survavability (27 vs 22) and should be able to field a lot more decent planes into the air. Also the KI-43 IIb is used by a lot of groups that are currently stuck with Nates or Oscar Ic...the difference should be major (at least i hope so)

MrKane -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/1/2014 11:21:12 AM)
I am going to be in very similar situation soon. So how bad it is ? I starting to have feelings that PDU-OFF really hurts Empire.

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/1/2014 4:20:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrKane I am going to be in very similar situation soon. So how bad it is ? I starting to have feelings that PDU-OFF really hurts Empire. I think PDU OFF re-balance the air war, which is much more closer to reality than with PDU OFF. I like it, really, especially when packed with the max altitude HR. results are much more closer to what you would expect. And it is fun to play with those models that, in a PDU ON game, you would simply forget!

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/1/2014 4:22:58 PM)
June 25, 1942 Very quiet. Everywhere. The AVG popped up at Wenchow....[X(] In India the allied stack is just 46 miles NW of Hyderabad... we'll soon see. The 41st ID is now ready south of Hyderabad. In 2 days the 36th ID will join it with the 15th Army HQ and 6 AA units and will try to outflank the allied stack. The Guards arrived at Calcutta. Quiet at Lucknow... no raids today.

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/3/2014 9:50:23 PM)
June 26-30, 1942 INDIA: The allied stack is advancing. Now at the very gates of Hyderabad. My defensive plan is simple: Use the 21st Army at Hyderabad as an envil, while the 15th Army stays in reserve and will act like an hammer. We'll see what we can do. The control of the air space will be decisive. We're working hard to provide the best possible air cover for our troops. Erik sends in his paras in Northeastern India. They got a bloody nose at Benares where they are stopped cold by a strong SNLF unit. Now the 33rd ID is coming to reinforce the area. The north will be kept as long as possible, but i won't fight a war that i cannot win. The next defensive line is almost ready and i wanna fight at my own terms. SW OZ: we intercepted another convoy...sadly this was empty:-( But we sunk at least 1 AS and 2 APs... not that bad. Allied cruisers are patrolling the area and i may have a surprise for them very soon...[8D] CHINA: Liuchow is abbandoned! Good! One of the main objectives of this campaign is achieved. Now on for Kweiling! The tanks are moving so slow...only 3 hexes per day after the first "jump" from the yellow road... don't think i'll be able to get there in time before his reinforcements arrived[:(] I may think to call it off this part of the plan and move everything to India... PACIFIC: KB is in the lower Marshalls, sorrounded by not less than 15 enemy's subs... Makin has been reinforced and so are the upper islands around Roi-Namur. Biak is growing fast and so is Ponape. Slowly we're creating our defensive perimeter... RnD: A6M3a due to arrive in July A6M5 in October/Semptember KI-43 IIb in September Good Supply is finally rising again!!!! And so it is fuel! Very well!!! [image]local://upfiles/37890/B878E1300A714F099EEA8D0A108EC8C6.jpg[/image]

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/3/2014 9:50:56 PM)
India [image]local://upfiles/37890/2E1A9258FC31473B9A472D47CC499F9C.jpg[/image]

bbbf -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/4/2014 2:42:43 AM)
The Oscar II-b is ok, but still gets eaten by the better Allied planes. Still, with PDU off, it is a hell of a lot better than a Nate (some of which are still in actively flying units in Mar 43 for me). I don't know whether the A6M5 bump in durability has too much of an effect. It still dies easy. Numbers are the key to both - always produce heaps and be prepared to lose them in droves. Try and concentrate large numbers before committing. Utilise mutli level CAP defenses. Train lots of replacement pilots. Don't get attached to any of them!

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/4/2014 12:54:19 PM)
July 1, 1942 INDIA: bad news in the air. The allies attack Lucknow with an hell lot of planes. LRCAP, Sweep, Escort and bombers at different altitudes (from 10K to 30K feet). At the same time LRCAP over Banares and 2Es on ground support mission. We had our fighters on training missionat Lucknow... so even when they decided to engage, they were nowhere effective. At Banares we had a sentai of KI-43 IIa on LRCAP and Betties with KI-43Ib (yes, can't upgrade this sentai, don't ask me why cause i don't know) as escort... We lost 52 planes against his 19[X(] The allies conquer an abbandoned Cowpore, while the paras at Banares seem to have faded away (still not sure). We're losing the air war badly. With PDU OFF even the Mohawks are good planes andthe I-15s are more than a challenge for my poor Oscars. Zeros are too few and too fragile to really matters. But we're fighting on. The Empire won't lose battles like that without fighting. Sending more sentais to India as i write. 42 KI-45a, 45 A6M3s and 200 bombers are on their way towards India. OZ: bad day here too. The allied cruisers (3 CAs) arrived very close to Perth. I had 2x45 and 2x36 sentais of Netties there on NavT attack. Only 20 took off and got repulsed by his flak....[:o] Moving there my KB2 and more Kates/Vals...just to be sure. No news from China. The third HUGE fuel convoy is now assembling in Japan. Will go to Singapore with a CVE as escort

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/4/2014 12:56:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bbbf Don't get attached to any of them! [&o] So true...but i tend to love my aces... and always feel sorry when they die[:o] However the a6m5 is a great improvement IMHO. yes, they die easily, but can fight back with everything but the P-38, so is a MUST have for me in this game.

Lowpe -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/4/2014 4:30:27 PM)
It is the end game air war that really matters, that and carriers. I thought pdu off might slow your early war rampages, but obviously not.[:)] You are probably at your weakest now, until you get armored fighters up and flying! Very enjoyable following your success and travails. thanks.

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/4/2014 7:38:59 PM)
July 2, 1942 Another bad day in India. The allies do not seem to feel any fatigue. More 100 planes arrive sweeping and LCAPping at Lucknow. The 3 sentais (Zeros and Oscars) present there do what they can, but suffer badly. 10 Zeros and 19 KI-43 Ic are downed, for less than 15 allied fighters. The allies then move 8 (EIGHT) units to Cowpore and conquer the base north of Benares... Ok, now i am worried. Need to transfer more air units to the eastern India ASAP...don't know if it will be enough at this point...

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/4/2014 7:41:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe It is the end game air war that really matters, that and carriers. I thought pdu off might slow your early war rampages, but obviously not.[:)] You are probably at your weakest now, until you get armored fighters up and flying! Very enjoyable following your success and travails. thanks. PDU OFF at the beginning isn't a big problem. The allies are so weak that you can easily outnumber them. But from June 42 on their quality gets better and almost every plane is superior to the A6M2 and the KI-43 Ic. F3Fs, P38s and Hurricanes IIc are particularly effective, both on CAP and on Sweep Having lots of fun anyway!![:D]

Spidery -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/4/2014 9:04:27 PM)
When do you expect to have the Ki-43IIb? I think lots of groups can upgrade to it and it seems quite a reasonable aircraft. Seems to perform well enough against the Hurricane and against 4E bombers and is slaughtered by Lightnings.

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/5/2014 12:49:43 PM)
July 3-4, 1942 INDIA: on the 3rd of July the allies strike again at Lucknow. F4F3s and Hurricanes. We manage to get a 1-1 which is good considering how poorly we've performed so far. But the 3 sentais at Lucknow have done their job against overwhelming odds and I cannot complain. They buyed enough time for the rest of the units to re-position. On the 4th we managed to abandon Lucknow by rail. Unmolested. At the same time, Benares is abandoned in good order and the 33rd ID repositions itself on the so-called "ASSAM line" (Ranchi-Patna) We managed to keep the Mid-North of India with only a single division (splitted in 3 regiments) for more than 4 months, which isn't bad. Considering how much Obvert is investing in India, I couldn't hope for more. At Hyderabad, the allied stack remains still...[&:] Convoys are busy moving back as much fuel as possible from Ceylon and India, while more supplies are being delivered to Madras and Calcutta. CHINA: the Chinese managed to get to the rivercrossing SW of Kweiyang before me. They are already there with 2 units. I am leaning towards the idea of calling off this side-operation...I am a bit scared of destroying my precious tanks crossing a river in a +3 terrain on a hex well defended...mmm... We conquer Liuchow and now we're moving to Kweiling. The Chinese seem to be abandoning the whole area. Also south of Chikkiang the allies seem to be moving back beyond the river... North of Changsha we tried a DA...with bad results... an eng regiment destroyed and more than 300 squads disabled...ouch! But we won't stop! It is clear to me that Erik needs to decide if he really wants to try to hold Changsa. If so he needs to keep a long and exposed front, thus using lots of units... while we threaten Chikkiang directly. If I was him, I'd be moving back ASAP Various: SHOKAKU is upgraded with Radar and is joining the KB1 in CenTPac. Oscar KI-43 IIb due to arrive in Semptember 42 Sending 2 Bdes to the Kuriles Tai-Chi Type 2 Radar is now a reality and already delivered to most of the base forces around the map[:D] Tank Divisions 1 and 2 are assembling in Central China! [image]local://upfiles/37890/7F17ABE35B1D406D84A6FD29B35B36F4.jpg[/image]

crsutton -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/5/2014 3:45:24 PM)
Obvert is doing a very good job in China. I wish that my game looked this good. [;)]

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 10:18:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton Obvert is doing a very good job in China. I wish that my game looked this good. [;)] Unfortunately I cannot but agree. Obvert in China is doing a great job, blocking any path of advance (and even defeating me big times!). In fact, the main battle fought in China was a Chinese victory, with more than 35,000 Japanese soldiers dead (at Sian) and a whole front defeated (the northern one). July 4-6, 1942 CHINA: we crossed the river with the Guards tank ID and a tank regiment. We found a good corp (400 AV) and an heavy artillery unit waiting for us there. Only a 1-1 and quite a lot of distruption among my units, even if the tanks didn't suffer that much, but neither the Chinese. The following day a Tank Bde and another tank regiment crossed and didn't trigger a shock attack (thank God). The third day we tried again, but achieved only another 1-1 with supplies in red. Distruption and fatigue are quite high among my tank units, even if the overall situation isn't that bad. Now an air bridge is being estabilished in order to provide some extra supplies delivered to the tanks. Our units managed to reach Kweiling, where they found 1500 Chinese AVs well dug in..., while it seems that he's slowly abandoning Changsha The long waited 200k supplies are finally arriving at Shangai..., while more 70,000 are being delievered at Canton...hopefully this should boost our next offensives in this theatre INDIA: the retreat from Lucknow was a success. Every single one of my unit managed to reach the defensive line using the minor RR east of Patna. Erik has already conquered everything north of Patna and now the situation will become interesting. Sending 5 new sentais to India as we speak At Hyderabad the allies are finally making their move... let's see what they have in that stack... 70,000 men, 1,200 guns and 1,300 vehicles[X(] CENTPAC: lots of convoys moving up and down to the Marshalls...mmm... will have to deal with a very early offensive here

ny59giants -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 11:57:59 AM)
quote: The long waited 200k supplies are finally arriving at Shanghai..., while more 70,000 are being delivered at Canton...hopefully this should boost our next offensives in this theater I usually have a CS convoy going from Shanghai to Shimonoseki with about 20 to 25k capacity. Pull Resources from China and return with Supplies. Use Waypoints to keep the TF in shallow ocean hexes and turn the "on" for return trip at bottom of third waypoint setting. Seemed to work for me.

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 12:44:44 PM)
Thanks Micheal. I tend not to use CS convoys cause i often forgot them and find myself with too few supplies in Japan The resources convoys are active since day 1 at Fusan and working perfectly. Here's a map of India ...the theatre is evolving very fast [image]local://upfiles/37890/2C89BB3E1E0F4484967807C1F33BD225.jpg[/image]

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 12:56:10 PM)
And here's China [image]local://upfiles/37890/7653E77EDBA246C496690C8F9B0346FD.jpg[/image]

Lokasenna -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 3:25:23 PM)
I don't know RE: Obvert's job here - I think that impression was given because of the delay in starting the IJA offensive. You're making steady, even somewhat rapid, progress in China and it's still only July '42. You're looking at holding Kweiyang, a key base, within the coming weeks I think.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 5:07:05 PM)
I agree. Take everything in India which a typical game has in China, and it's a different picture.

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 10:28:44 PM)
July 7, 1942 The news, and it's a big one, is that the 60th Chinese Corp seems to be retiring from the contested hex on the rivercrossing SW of Kweyiang!!! I ordered a shock attack. No matter what.Fatigue and distruption can wait. Supplies can wait. We need on their heels and not let another corp to take its place. If it is really moving that means no embedded forts are left. Time to push. And Army HQ (the 12th) and 2 IDs are immediately ordered to reinforce that sector, along with 2 more tank regiments. Also ordered another attacknorth of Changsha. Let's see if we can wear down those pesky chinese In india, the redeployment around Patna is working fine. Still waitingat Hyderabad the arrival of the enemy's stack. The further he gets from his main bases, the harder will be for him to cover his units with LRCAP. Waiting for that moment to start the LCU bombing. In the pacific, the allied attentions divert to Ocean Island. I expect a landing very soon there... Also waiting for a movement against Ndeni in SOPAC 2 Brigades are ordered to the Kuriles. Shimushiri Jiima and Onnekotan Jiima will be their destinations. A Nate sentai is upgraded to the KI-43 IIa in Japan. This is the last Sentai that can fit this model (3 sentais). The dreaded 260th Sentai (stuck with the KI-43 Ib) will be moved back for training duties untill we understand how to fix that problem

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/6/2014 10:34:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 I agree. Take everything in India which a typical game has in China, and it's a different picture. I am alreadt losing india... not so sure the strategy was as smart as it seemed

GreyJoy -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/7/2014 7:33:43 AM)
July 8, 1942 China: both our attacks didn't go as planned. The shock attack with my tanks achieved only a 1-1 and several squads of the tank ID are now disabled. Supplies must be hurting in order to achieve such a bad result. Same goes north of Changsha. Our 4 divisions of the 11th Army attacked and got a 1-2 with more than 300 squads disabled....[:o] India: we bombed the advancing stack from 27,000 feet in order to avoid the flak and see what he has there. Nothing to really worry about. The 70th UK Div (that still has those useless 41 brit squads), the Waristan division (another weak unit), the 6th and 7th Australian Divisions (pretty good) and several 3.7 inch gun units. If i only had some more IDs with me in India instead of China i could defeat them easily... However Hyderabad is nowehere in danger of being conquered. Very well. We'll act accordingly. A 12 A6M3 chutai and a 36 KI-45a Sentai just arrived at Calcutta from Rangoon. The 3rd Air Army will move to Calcutta too in a couple of weeks, while the 1st Air Army is being moved to Madras. Sending reinforcements to Diego and Attu. Wanna have my flank well covered. RnD: in 3 days we'll start producing the A6M3a!!!! that's good.

HansBolter -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/7/2014 11:03:54 AM)
The Brit 70Th may have outdated squads but it also has 80 experience....one of the most experienced LCUs in the Allied inventory.

rook749 -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/7/2014 3:36:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter The Brit 70Th may have outdated squads but it also has 80 experience....one of the most experienced LCUs in the Allied inventory. Plus as it withdraws out of theater, it's a unit I don't care if it gets smashed or not as long as it gets smashed doing something useful.

Symon -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/7/2014 4:04:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy The 70th UK Div (that still has those useless 41 brit squads), .... They ain't that useless, pal. 300 of them AV just as well as 300 USMC '45 squads. They shoot darn near as good as the Brit top-of-the-line squads. Only place they fall short is they don't have PIATs (till they upgrade) so anti-armor is only 15 per squad instead of 75. Still and all, a 410 AV potential, at 80 experience, a poop-load of AT guns, and arty up the wazoo, should get one's attention. Just sayin' [8D]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/7/2014 4:23:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 I agree. Take everything in India which a typical game has in China, and it's a different picture. I am alreadt losing india... not so sure the strategy was as smart as it seemed Well, yeah, but that's a different issue. [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/7/2014 7:43:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 I agree. Take everything in India which a typical game has in China, and it's a different picture. I am alreadt losing india... not so sure the strategy was as smart as it seemed Well, yeah, but that's a different issue. [:)] I think it depends on what you do with the time that India buys you.

crsutton -> RE: Carriers in the I.O. (8/8/2014 3:04:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 I agree. Take everything in India which a typical game has in China, and it's a different picture. I am alreadt losing india... not so sure the strategy was as smart as it seemed Well, yeah, but that's a different issue. [:)] I think it depends on what you do with the time that India buys you. No, India is a total supply burn for Japan. This is the issue. Burning massive amount of supply to fight restricted units that can't hurt you anywhere else at this stage of the war. There is a finite amount of supply and fuel to get Japan through the war. China can't be avoided but India can. I think that two major supply burn fronts is not sustainable for Japan. There needs to be something left to fight with in 1945. I can only see one real reason to venture into India, auto victory. Otherwise I don't know if it makes sense at all.

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