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leehunt27@bloomberg.net -> RE: 1943! (12/13/2014 9:09:31 PM)
wow great link sanderz!

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 7:30:20 AM)
Feb 25, 1943 INDIA: The allies attack and, boy, they hit hard. Catching me off guard, Erik goes for Tricomalae as soon as the KB-1 moves south. The forces used for this air operation are really scaring... several hundreds of fighters and bombers...and the coordination...Boy, Obvert knows his stuff, that's for sure. It was a perfect operation for the allies. First the sweeps+LRCAP...lots of them! Then the escorted 4Es to hit the fields...and then, in the afternoon, the escorted DBs against my ships... hat's off to him! Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 27 A6M5c Zero x 25 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 42 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 36 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk I x 10 F4F-4 Wildcat x 69 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 30 x F4F-4 Wildcat sweeping at 25000 feet CAP engaged: 582 Ku S-1 with A6M3 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 16 scrambling) 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes Chitose-1 with A6M5c Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 17 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 32000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes 4th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 22 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 30000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes 77th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 25 scrambling) 5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 22 A6M5c Zero x 20 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 37 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 33 Allied aircraft P-43A-1 Lancer x 11 Hurricane IIc Trop x 15 Kittyhawk I x 10 P-39D Airacobra x 4 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-43A-1 Lancer: 1 destroyed Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 21 A6M5c Zero x 17 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 34 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 27 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 4 F4U-1 Corsair x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 20 A6M5c Zero x 12 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 20 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 23 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk I x 2 F4U-1 Corsair x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 13 A6M5c Zero x 6 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 15 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 19 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk I x 2 Kittyhawk III x 16 P-38G Lightning x 22 P-39D Airacobra x 4 P-400 Airacobra x 25 P-40K Warhawk x 72 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 8 A6M5c Zero x 5 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 13 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14 Allied aircraft Liberator II x 18 Kittyhawk I x 17 LB-30 Liberator x 3 B-24D Liberator x 24 P-39D Airacobra x 4 P-40K Warhawk x 25 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground A6M5c Zero: 2 damaged Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses Liberator II: 1 damaged Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 7 A6M5c Zero x 3 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 10 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14 Allied aircraft Liberator II x 6 Kittyhawk I x 1 P-40E Warhawk x 25 P-40K Warhawk x 25 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Liberator II: 3 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed Runway hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 6 A6M5c Zero x 2 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4 Allied aircraft B-24D Liberator x 6 P-39D Airacobra x 4 P-40K Warhawk x 25 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed No Allied losses Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 2 ----------------------------- Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 4 A6M5c Zero x 1 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk I x 1 B-24D Liberator x 6 Japanese aircraft losses E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground No Allied losses Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 7 -------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 31,47 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 4 A6M5c Zero x 2 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 5 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4 Allied aircraft Vengeance I x 4 Kittyhawk I x 4 SBD-3 Dauntless x 17 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 1 destroyed SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged Japanese Ships xAK Kamoi Maru, Bomb hits 1 xAK Tokyo Maru PC Nire, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires xAK Shinryu Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire xAK Natisan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage APD Aoi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 31,47 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 3 A6M5c Zero x 1 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 5 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4 Allied aircraft Vengeance I x 44 P-39D Airacobra x 6 F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Japanese Ships xAK Kazuura Maru, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Matsue Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AKE Genoa Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire xAK Ceylon Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage AKE Yosida Maru #3, Bomb hits 3, on fire xAK Nansin Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Chicago Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage AKE Meisan Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Sugiyama Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire xAK Teisin Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage AKE Syokyu Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Koyo Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage AKE Genzan Maru, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 31,47 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 2 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 1 Allied aircraft Vengeance I x 14 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 1 damaged Japanese Ships xAK Momoyama Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Utide Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Hakodate Maru, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage Can't really blame my guys...they did wonders considering the odds... the first crapload waves of fighters (how many F4F does he have!?) managed to put most of my air groups off duty so when the bombers arrived my planes were too fatigued, damaged or scattered among the skies to really be able to interdict the bombers... and the results are bad: the base is almost closed, we've lost a whole fleet of supplies (nearly 30K supplies lost along with the ships) and we've almost lost the control of the skies.. Then, near Esperance, we've had a better look at the enemy's landing force... [X(].... almost the whole pacific fleet seems to be there!...but no CVs... seems like they're just CVEs....mmmmmm...... The only good news of the day comes from the road to Kunming... Ground combat at 72,47 (near Kweiyang) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 14339 troops, 245 guns, 484 vehicles, Assault Value = 493 Defending force 15656 troops, 99 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 246 Japanese adjusted assault: 449 Allied adjusted defense: 217 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 283 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 20 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Allied ground losses: 3198 casualties reported Squads: 147 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 129 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 8 (5 destroyed, 3 disabled) Units retreated 3 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 19th Ind.Mixed Brigade Guards Tank Division 20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 10th Chinese Corps 34th Chinese Corps 72nd Chinese Corps 35th Group Army [image]local://upfiles/37890/F92DBBCE0FDF4BA791C0DF6B0D628AA4.jpg[/image]

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 7:40:02 AM)
Esperance Invasion....[X(] [image]local://upfiles/37890/5FABB13E6F2A44CC809ECB676EB984AD.jpg[/image]

jmalter -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 8:15:41 AM)
wow GJ, looks like you just suffered a perfect 'non-storm' at Trinco, where the weather was clear at bases & targets, & his sweeping fighters arrived in front of his escorted bombers. Your guys did well enough against his fighter sweeps, but got used up by the near-perfect co-ordination of enemy air-power. The shipping damages look awful, especially the hits on your AKEs. I'm fairly amazed by the attack-sequence, where your base airfield got hit in the morning by 4Es, then your shipping got hit in the afternoon by DBs. obvert took great care in organizing this strike, & got his attacks in proper sequence.

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 9:49:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jmalter wow GJ, looks like you just suffered a perfect 'non-storm' at Trinco, where the weather was clear at bases & targets, & his sweeping fighters arrived in front of his escorted bombers. Your guys did well enough against his fighter sweeps, but got used up by the near-perfect co-ordination of enemy air-power. The shipping damages look awful, especially the hits on your AKEs. I'm fairly amazed by the attack-sequence, where your base airfield got hit in the morning by 4Es, then your shipping got hit in the afternoon by DBs. obvert took great care in organizing this strike, & got his attacks in proper sequence. Yup, he had the perfect air operation day. Everything went smooth. Coordination, weather, results. Hat's off to Erik for this one!!!!

crsutton -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 3:08:14 PM)
Yep, Obvert crafted a beautiful operation. Rare for the date but as the war progresses it becomes very hard to defend against this sort of thing. A warning to you JFBs out there...[;)] GJ, did you really leave five AKEs sitting in easy strike range.[:-]

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 3:21:28 PM)
Feb 27, 43 Yes Mr.Sutton...my fault[:D] I need those AKEs there to supply my SAGs... will try a different approach soon. Anyway, Trico seems to be safe for the moment. A second day didn't come even if we brought in the KB to support the base. Now a brand new CAP is already present and the fields are repairing fast. The allies land at Esperance and my LBA didn't attack :-( I had 210 between Kates and Betties escorted by 130 fighters at Perth...and none of them took off :-(((( Oh well, nothing i can do now... time to abbandon western Oz and get back to a more defendable perimeter. The allies landed 37,000 units...at least 2 AUS divisions... In China we're moving nicely. Hope to start the attacks at Changsha by the next week or so. At Madras another bombardment by the allies doesn't do much except for burning 700 supplies of mine. RnD: J2M2 is online but don't have a sentai that gets it untill september 43 [:o] First sentai of KI-61b is operative... A6M8 and KI-43 IV are movingalong nicely

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 4:08:21 PM)
What just happened at Trico teaught (sp?!) me something: i tought Erik woulnd't risk a Naval attack mission when there was the risk of an uncoordinated attack... well, apparently he took the risk and he was right. Need to be much more carefull now that we are in1943.... carefull at Rabaul...carefull in the Marshalls... less lazy above all. So now in few days/weeks he'll be at Perth. Once Perth is conquered another whole front is gonna get active (Northern Oz). Gotta speed up the reinforcement of Western Java and Timor.... Planes are gathering to Port Hedland which now will be my main base in the area. Exmouth will be the border of my Empire...and soon blood will spill over there, am sure of that

Yaab -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 5:19:51 PM)
You can do this too. Just break your fighter units into A/B/C. The game will assign them temporary low IDs. Then set A/B/C to Sweep and they will almost always sweep before bomber missions. Seems the code prioritise units with low IDs when forming air raids.

JohnDillworth -> RE: 1943! (12/14/2014 6:18:25 PM)
Ouch on the AKE's. you can use Colombo to arm the BB's can't you? Definitely going to put a dent in your naval bombardments. How many more of those things do you have and how many do you get?

veji1 -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 8:15:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy What just happened at Trico teaught (sp?!) me something: i tought Erik woulnd't risk a Naval attack mission when there was the risk of an uncoordinated attack... well, apparently he took the risk and he was right. Need to be much more carefull now that we are in1943.... carefull at Rabaul...carefull in the Marshalls... less lazy above all. So now in few days/weeks he'll be at Perth. Once Perth is conquered another whole front is gonna get active (Northern Oz). Gotta speed up the reinforcement of Western Java and Timor.... Planes are gathering to Port Hedland which now will be my main base in the area. Exmouth will be the border of my Empire...and soon blood will spill over there, am sure of that Discovering that 2nd line bases aren't safe anymore.. happens to all japanese players in all games. C'est la vie ! It just happens earlier in a PDU-off game than in PDU-on, because well harder to fend off all those planes with A6M5s and Ki43s. in a pdu on game, Georges and Tojos would have exacted a higher toll. But it is part of the increased realism of Pdu-off anyway !

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 8:20:57 AM)
Feb 28-March 2, 1943 INDIA: 32 Corsairs, 25 P-40Ks and 28 P-38s sweep Colombo. 27 A6M3, 30 KI-43 IIIa and 50 KI-45a takes off to meet them. It's a slaughter. 35 planes lost against his 4...ouch[X(]. In the meanwhile 200 allied bombers pound Dambullah and, at night, the 4Es pound the port of Tricomale and drop mines at Diamond Harbour, Madras and Trico. My ability to defend Ceylon has been overestimated I guess. Now the dilemma: I am trying to defend 3 bases (Madras, Trico and Colombo) and simply don't have enough planes for all of them. What shall I do? In april he's gonna get the F6Fs and that could mean a total superiority. I am considering the idea of abandoning the whole area and get back to Burma. Madras can't be defended without Ceylon and Ceylon risks to become a HUGE trap having lost the rest of India... At the same time, without Ceylon I cannot defend Assam properly... The allies will become a lot stronger in the next 3/6 months and I don't wanna let a whole army rot there... Should I abandon everything now that I am still in time to do that? OZ: we've successfully evacuated what we needed to Exmouth-Port Hedland. I consider the new perimeter a lot more solid... hopefully. CHINA: the good news come from here. We've conquered another hex on the road to Kunming. We've found the perfect combination for the 20K SL hexes (4 artillery units, 1 Tank division and 1 Mixed Bde). If I can get to Kunming earlier than foreseen I may be able to abandon India sooner than expected...by the time the allies are back to Ledo I may have connected China with Burma.... Decisions, decisions, decisions....

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 8:23:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: veji1 quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy What just happened at Trico teaught (sp?!) me something: i tought Erik woulnd't risk a Naval attack mission when there was the risk of an uncoordinated attack... well, apparently he took the risk and he was right. Need to be much more carefull now that we are in1943.... carefull at Rabaul...carefull in the Marshalls... less lazy above all. So now in few days/weeks he'll be at Perth. Once Perth is conquered another whole front is gonna get active (Northern Oz). Gotta speed up the reinforcement of Western Java and Timor.... Planes are gathering to Port Hedland which now will be my main base in the area. Exmouth will be the border of my Empire...and soon blood will spill over there, am sure of that Discovering that 2nd line bases aren't safe anymore.. happens to all japanese players in all games. C'est la vie ! It just happens earlier in a PDU-off game than in PDU-on, because well harder to fend off all those planes with A6M5s and Ki43s. in a pdu on game, Georges and Tojos would have exacted a higher toll. But it is part of the increased realism of Pdu-off anyway ! So true [:D] To be honest, PDU OFF game, now that we're playing into 1943, is much more fun! Too easy to simply have hordes of Georges and Tojos... and I love to be forced to use planes like the Ki-45 or to get the best out of the KI-43... Won't play PDU ON ever again I guess

ny59giants -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 11:54:24 AM)
Situation as of 2/43 for you is the American bomber fleet will get stronger as the B-24D1 come out at 48/mo, B25D1 at 30/mo (first attack bomber), and the USN PV-1 at 28/mo. You mentioned the Hellcat, but it will take Obvert about three months to get the CVs done. On the ground, the AMF Inf 43 (Aussie) start to come out at 35/mo with their Anti-Armor going from 15 to 75 while the Anti-Soft goes from 18 to 20. The Indian Rifle '43 comes out with same stats as Aussie in 3/43 at 60/mo. So, by 5/43 Obvert should be to rotate his Indian divisions back to a base to divide and upgrade his rifle squads. I'm in mid-44, so I don't remember when the Indian divisions upgrade to include more combat engineers. General Grant out in 4/43 and Ind Cmbt Eng 43 in 6/43. I know you have played Allies and are aware of this. So, I point this out to give you a sense of when you must decide. IMO, you have about 2 to 3 months before your position in Ceylon and Madras will get very difficult to hold onto.

veji1 -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 12:25:46 PM)
Yeah I would probably prepare for an april evacuation in Madras and June in Ceylon, but it is always hard to know. They key being that if you end up losing 100 000 troops there, well it sucks but it isn't that bad. If you end up losing 1000s of good pilots and some precious ships either at the bottom of the ocean or needing long repairs, well this sucks a lot more.

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 12:36:40 PM)
Uhm....Micheal, i really do not fear the upgraded allied 1943 squads. My concerns is the control of the skies/seas. Once i lose the air, everything is lost. my troopers can stand in Madras (and i am sure they will) untill i can control the skies. But that's the real point: can i control the skies of Madras if i lose the skies of Ceylon? Can I control both with what i have now? Don't really know, but i doubt i can control both of them. Need to plan now. An evacuation of 150,000 men isn't exactly an easy task... Don't even know if i have the ships to do that all at once... For the moment i'm sending the best escorts i have to Singapore (all the new and upgraded "E" classes...well, in DBB they aren't much anyway but still...) and the best AK/LSD,xAPs i have. Then i'll think about it. I also need to decide where i want to draw the line in the send for the next 6/9 months and plan accordingly

veji1 -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 1:09:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Uhm....Micheal, i really do not fear the upgraded allied 1943 squads. My concerns is the control of the skies/seas. Once i lose the air, everything is lost. my troopers can stand in Madras (and i am sure they will) untill i can control the skies. But that's the real point: can i control the skies of Madras if i lose the skies of Ceylon? Can I control both with what i have now? Don't really know, but i doubt i can control both of them. Need to plan now. An evacuation of 150,000 men isn't exactly an easy task... Don't even know if i have the ships to do that all at once... For the moment i'm sending the best escorts i have to Singapore (all the new and upgraded "E" classes...well, in DBB they aren't much anyway but still...) and the best AK/LSD,xAPs i have. Then i'll think about it. I also need to decide where i want to draw the line in the send for the next 6/9 months and plan accordingly You probably can't do it all at once, it's about evacuating the troops and planes you need to keep, and leaving behind what cannot be saved. To me the important goal in that area is that you do not want him in Burma before 1/44, nor obviously in the DEI. The next 9/10 months are about slowing him down long enough so that in 44 you can give ground progressively. The big difference between PDU on and off will start to be felt in as much as the Allied LBA is a lot harder to contain because you don't have good enough frames in big enough quantity. Whereas in PDU on when defending your festungs your planes and pilot quality are excellent (good planes, few pilot losses because fighting on your turf) and really make it too expensive for the allies, in pdu off you will get ground down. Allied bombers will rule the sky, like it was in WITP before AE became too fighter centric (in my book).

Yaab -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 2:14:40 PM)
You can overstack one base with AA guns. 5 guns per 1 plane, thus 30 aircraft raid has to be met by 150 AA guns. It will disrupt the raid and damage the bombers.

crsutton -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 4:33:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy CHINA: the good news come from here. We've conquered another hex on the road to Kunming. We've found the perfect combination for the 20K SL hexes (4 artillery units, 1 Tank division and 1 Mixed Bde). If I can get to Kunming earlier than foreseen I may be able to abandon India sooner than expected...by the time the allies are back to Ledo I may have connected China with Burma.... Decisions, decisions, decisions.... This mirrors my own experience. Stacking limits do not work for the Allied player in China. Low or no supply means a 1-1 attack with good bomber support prior will crack a hex in one or two turns. Japanese players are refining their tactics over the years. You need not even invade India as a strong enough air presence to cut off air transport to China means China will starve. It is difficult at first but if you are willing to keep attacking and burning Chinese supply China will collapse. I thought SL and my second campaign vs Ark would actually be a boon to me in China but in fact his own gain in experience allows for a dynamic that no amount of experience can rectify. No supply means no options. The total elimination of China should be an objective of every Japanese player. It takes time and skill but is not difficult to do using the right formula. Not difficult at all.

Sangeli -> RE: 1943! (12/15/2014 5:08:42 PM)
I would not fully abandon Ceylon but I would pull back most of the base units and engineers. I think it's pretty clear it's not useful of a base to you anymore. However, the Allies still need to force a landing there and from Erik's perspective it is not trivial. It's going to take time to prepare the OP and clean up the island. What you need to do is prepare strong defenses in 3x terrain backed by good forts somewhere on the island, probably Trincolomee. Ya those troops will be doomed but again you can always rebuild what you lose. I think a corner for you will turn when you start pulling Japanese units out from China and deploy them overseas but that is still a number of months away. Your goal needs to be to keep Erik as far away from the weak points of the Empire (e.g. DEI) until that happens. quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Sian should be doable even in the end of 1943, while Lanchow i think it's a lost cause. Too many good terrain hexes where he has digged in for ages now... Why do you think Lanchow is a lost cause? Typically the Allies will not defend Lanchow in strength because it is far from the front lines. While it is theoretically possible it is stacked to the brim with Chinese, I find that is far more likely that the Chinese are deployed at the current front lines. I also think that with Lanchow being isolated for some time with severely degrade the condition of the Chinese defenders by the time you get around to attacking the base. Also, as far as your positioning argument goes I think it's basically equivalent to my argument about why to attack the Kunming mountain areas. Also, for this attack I think it may be wise to advance along the dirt road from Chengtu SW through the mountains. I have a feeling that your guys may get bottled up advancing directly on Kunming while that dirt road is nicely placed to completely outflank Kunming and can cut the Chinese mountain position in half. It's definitely a long slow march but your current attack toward Kunming is going to be on a steadily decreasing front in 3x terrain so it's probably the most prudent measure.

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 1:44:04 PM)
Thanks for the food for thoughts guys. Really hard to decide what is the best to do. I am trying to think ahead now and understand where I want to be in early 1944. We need to make a compromise between giving land and gaining time. I want him as much as possible far away from my inner perimeter but, at the very same time, I can't risk of being bypassed and so wasting the bulk of my land defences. Ceylon can't be easily by-passed, but it can be isolated with a constant air campaign and once it's isolated, it's almost impossible to save what's there. Same goes for Madras (but Madras can be left there starving if he wishes so). So, I will prepare for a close-future evacuation, while I prepare the next line of defences. Ideally, I want to fall back into the historical perimeter (Burma, Adamans and Sumatra). What I am concerned about is western Sumatra, cause we all know how easy it is to land on the western coast and estabilishing a bridehead there. I will try to follow Sangeli's suggestion but timings aren't really clear at the moment in my mind... we'll soon see anyway. March 3-4, 1943 The allies sweep Colombo with their P-38Gs, losing 8 planes (3 A2A and 5 to ops) for 3 A6Ms...not bad, but I know when he will come back in good numbers, i'll suffer. In the meanwhile the KI-44c becomes operative and 130 are immediately put into production. I won't have that many sentais that will be able to upgrade to it, probably 160 line fighters in total...but better than the "a" or "b" version will be for sure. The first group of KI-61 Ib is operative in India, while the A6M8 and the KI-43 IV are moving nicely along the RnD process. In SW OZ, the allies keep on sending troops to Esperance. Hope they will lose another month or so before getting to Perth. I will use this time to consolidate at Exmouth: Here the defences will be: a reinforced Division (1 Division + 1 Brigade) 2 Artillery units (150mm and 240mm) 1 CD unit 2 Heavy AA unit (8.8 and 10cm guns) 1 Eng Regiment 3 Base forces (with 8cm DP units) 5 or 6 forts (depends on the timing). Port Hedland, with its level 9 AF will back it up. Should be enough to defend the SW corner of the DEI. Not much happening in the Solomons and in Centpac recently. Using this time to consolidate New Britain and the Marshalls. reinforcing Kavieng. Mines flowing everywhere possible. CHINA: very good advance here. Now we're 2 hexes from Kunming and we're facing a stack 450 AV strong...another long slog it will be, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel...we're close. Tomorrow we'll begin the attack at Changsha. Hope for the best. 4 forts are present but the garrison shouldn't be that strong after months of air bombings. Supplies are raising fast. 2.961 Millions. 44 turns ago we were at 2.647 [&o] J2M3 should arrive by late September. Should be able to get the first group of Jacks by the first days of October.

ny59giants -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 2:47:40 PM)
quote: In SW OZ, the allies keep on sending troops to Esperance. Hope they will lose another month or so before getting to Perth. I will use this time to consolidate at Exmouth: Here the defences will be: a reinforced Division (1 Division + 1 Brigade) 2 Artillery units (150mm and 240mm) 1 CD unit 2 Heavy AA unit (8.8 and 10cm guns) 1 Eng Regiment 3 Base forces (with 8cm DP units) 5 or 6 forts (depends on the timing). Need some Anti-Tank here as he can march overland large amounts of armor. I had it happen to me the last time I played Japan.

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 2:51:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants quote: In SW OZ, the allies keep on sending troops to Esperance. Hope they will lose another month or so before getting to Perth. I will use this time to consolidate at Exmouth: Here the defences will be: a reinforced Division (1 Division + 1 Brigade) 2 Artillery units (150mm and 240mm) 1 CD unit 2 Heavy AA unit (8.8 and 10cm guns) 1 Eng Regiment 3 Base forces (with 8cm DP units) 5 or 6 forts (depends on the timing). Need some Anti-Tank here as he can march overland large amounts of armor. I had it happen to me the last time I played Japan. You're right. I will move here a Tank regiment and an AT regiment with 47mm AT guns. Thanks! Overland? without a road? That would be interesting to be seen. I doubt much supply will flow from Geralton

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 3:58:44 PM)
Being in march 43, I now also need to plan the rotation for the 4/43 IJN scheldued upgrades. As usual, I think I may simply let 1 CV upgrade and rotate them in-out of the shipyards until early 1944. I hate staying a whole month without my main ships...you never know when you need them!

ny59giants -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 3:59:18 PM)
How the Allies recapture Exmouth: 1. Close down Exmouth AF 2. While closing it down, max out Normanton (AF is able to go to 9) 3. Sent in multiple Barge TF to Normanton to build up supplies. 4. Use some of those plentiful C-47s to drop daily supplies to armor spearhead with a LRCAP. 5. Build up the dot base of Meekatharra (54,139) to size 9 for 4e bombers which is only 10 hexes across desert to Port Hedland.

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 4:08:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants How the Allies recapture Exmouth: 1. Close down Exmouth AF 2. While closing it down, max out Normanton (AF is able to go to 9) 3. Sent in multiple Barge TF to Normanton to build up supplies. 4. Use some of those plentiful C-47s to drop daily supplies to armor spearhead with a LRCAP. 5. Build up the dot base of Meekatharra (54,139) to size 9 for 4e bombers which is only 10 hexes across desert to Port Hedland. I see. I know they can do that, but it's not easy in my book. 10 hexes from Port Hedland may not be a lot, but for the fighters 10 hexes is a long way. To close down a lvl 9 Af 10 hexes away, he needs first to sweep me out of the skies. My hope is that, by the time he gets there, I can have quite a decent air force over P.H. Anyway, as for every place on the map, the allies can have it if they really want to. My job is to make the effort as expensive and long as possible. As long as we'll be fighting in NW Oz in late 43, I'm pretty happy strategically wise

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 4:15:00 PM)
CHINA: as u can see we've made some sensible progresses towards Kunming. At Changsha we're ready to assault the sieged city. Once the city will be ours, i'll have 13 divisions free to close on chungking, Kunming and Sian [image]local://upfiles/37890/4587F2D179D647798B95BD2B6A32A347.jpg[/image]

Yaab -> RE: 1943! (12/16/2014 6:27:02 PM)
Impressive. Mind you, if somehow the Chinese survive in the Kunming mountains and you lose your hold of Burma, then the Burma Road supply will appear in Tsuyung. Once more reason to hold Burma as long as possible, especially blocking the hex that stop the supply flow.

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/17/2014 5:57:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yaab Impressive. Mind you, if somehow the Chinese survive in the Kunming mountains and you lose your hold of Burma, then the Burma Road supply will appear in Tsuyung. Once more reason to hold Burma as long as possible, especially blocking the hex that stop the supply flow. Yes, i am aware of that and i will try to defend Burma as best as i can. Need first to decide a timing for abbandoning the Assam region in India. If the two armies that are now defending India will be able to succesfully get back to Burma, i think i can stall him once again. Now i concentrate on getting to kunming. As far as i can tell, Kunming is the real defensive key of that complex for the Allies, so i may get the snowball effect once Kunming (if ever) falls. Umboi Island. You asked and i didn't answer...sorry. Umboi is building nicely. Mines, CD guns, At guns, Field guns, forts (5 and building) are present. 30K supplies and 2000 fuel are already stockpiled there. Few more months and it will become a tough nut to crack. [:'(]

GreyJoy -> RE: 1943! (12/17/2014 10:02:09 AM)
March 4, 1943 The first attack at Changsha is bloodier than foreseen, but we've already achieved a "large" 2-1. Now 2 more divisions will be added and on the 6th we'll resume the attacks. Hope to get there within the week. On the road towards Kunming, things are more difficult, but I won't desist... I think we can get there too. just need a little bit more patience. Nothing else to report today... Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 115656 troops, 1131 guns, 754 vehicles, Assault Value = 3849 Defending force 82181 troops, 267 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1825 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Japanese adjusted assault: 3060 Allied adjusted defense: 1057 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-) supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 7963 casualties reported Squads: 24 destroyed, 411 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 62 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 65 disabled Guns lost 82 (1 destroyed, 81 disabled) Allied ground losses: 3134 casualties reported Squads: 18 destroyed, 281 disabled Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 87 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Assaulting units: 116th Division 16th Division 13th Division 3rd Tank Division 8th Ind Engineer Regiment 59th Division 2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment 58th Division 60th Division 39th Division 68th Division 70th Division 3rd/A Division 4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment 6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 5th Fleet 10th Mortar Battalion 1st Mortar Battalion 1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 11th Army 12th Army 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 59th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 18th Chinese Corps 79th Chinese Corps 26th Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps 29th Group Army 14th Construction Regiment 6th War Area 19th Group Army 5th Construction Regiment 30th Group Army 27th Group Army 9th War Area 17th Chinese Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 71,48 (near Kunming) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 14302 troops, 245 guns, 485 vehicles, Assault Value = 488 Defending force 21364 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 444 Japanese adjusted assault: 416 Allied adjusted defense: 613 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 328 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Allied ground losses: 188 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) Units destroyed 1 Assaulting units: 19th Ind.Mixed Brigade Guards Tank Division 13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 72nd Chinese Corps 34th Chinese Corps 10th Chinese Corps 73rd Chinese Corps 88th Chinese Division 9th Group Army 35th Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Madras (35,40) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 150432 troops, 2405 guns, 2894 vehicles, Assault Value = 5684 Defending force 79688 troops, 746 guns, 617 vehicles, Assault Value = 1961 Japanese ground losses: 157 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled) Allied ground losses: 248 casualties reported Squads: 12 destroyed, 20 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled) Vehicles lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled) Assaulting units: 7th Australian Division 63rd Indian Brigade 254th Armoured Brigade 147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 22nd (East African) Brigade 159th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 627th Tank Destroyer Battalion 3rd Carabiniers Regiment 75th IAC Regiment 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 3rd Marine Division 16th Light Cavalry Regiment 1st USMC Tank Battalion 754th Tank Battalion 150th RAC Regiment 19th Indian Division 84th Indian Brigade I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion 7th Indian Division 70th British Division 26th Indian Division 26th Indian Brigade 255th Armoured Brigade 6th Australian Division 2nd British Division 194th Tank Battalion 762nd Tank Battalion 267th Armoured Brigade 7th Armoured Brigade 3rd Cavalry Regiment 24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment 268th Motorised Brigade 102nd(Sep) Infantry Regiment Waziristan Division 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 209th Field Artillery Battalion III Indian Corps 1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion 2/11th Field Regiment 2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment 23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 2/9th Field Regiment 6th Medium Regiment 20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 15th NZ AA Bde 85th British AT Gun Regiment 198th Field Artillery Battalion 26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment IV Indian Corps 501st Coast AA Regiment 21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 369th Coast AA Regiment 94th Coast AA Regiment 65th Coast AA Regiment 134th Field Artillery Battalion 30th Field Artillery Regiment 64th Coast AA Regiment 2/1st Med Regiment 28th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 77th Heavy AA Regiment 22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment Defending units: 10th Garrison Unit 22nd Tank Regiment 38th Division 6th Guards Division 41st Division 5th Guards Division 22nd Air Flotilla 3rd Air Defense AA Regiment 2nd JAAF Base Force 4th Air Defense AA Regiment 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 6th Field Construction Battalion 54th Const Co 50th Field AA Battalion 16th AA Regiment 23rd Ind.AA Gun Co 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 3rd Mortar Battalion 5th Field Construction Battalion Southern Army 11th Air Defense AA Regiment 12th JAAF Base Force 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 52nd Field AA Battalion 15th Army 62nd JAAF AF Bn

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