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obvert -> ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 2:14:12 PM)

Greyjoy (Nic) and I spoke about getting a game together just this winter over Indian food in London. Now the timing is right and it's on!

This will be another tough challenge for me, obviously. My first time playing the Allies in PBEM and against one of the more creative and successful players around, not to mention the most charismatic.

The game will be DBB with stacking limits and with PDU-off. This was something Nic suggested to give us a different, more realistic feeling for this game, and hopefully this will give us both a good experience. I'm not sure about the other settings and HRs but we'll be talking about that soon. It looks like he's gotten a good head start on the AAR and I've left it up to him to really decide the rest of the details since he's taking on PDU-off with the Japanese.

The game won't begin right away. It'll probably be a week or two until it kicks off. In the meantime I'd love any comments about the idea of playing with PDU-off on the Allied side or any other tips you can throw this rookie as I get going. I'm pretty excited. I finally get to use the digital equivalents of the models I built as a kid and send them off into battle; Corsairs, Fletchers, B-17s and SBDs.

I'll also bellowing into some of the sidelines of the war. More on that soon.

And of course, there will be a lot of pictures ...

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mind_messing -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 2:31:52 PM)

Greyjoy, more than most, knows what NorPac can do to Japanese successes elsewhere.

Play to that knowledge. Get USN carriers raiding the shipping around Hokkaido in the first three months of the war, and follow that up by building westwards from Anchorage. Rebase the restricted US air squadrons up here and make a lot of noise. The echo's will be heard in Tokyo.

You'll get a massive Japanese over-reaction. Every Japanese soldier, engineer, ship and aircraft in the Kuriles or Aleutians isn't defending the DEI or conducting offensives elsewhere.

Greyjoin won one game through the Aleutians, make him lose this one because of it.




JocMeister -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 2:48:07 PM)

I can´t tell you how envious I am of you right now. You get to play my dream! [:)] At least I will know if I´m right or wrong about PDU OFF. I still think this is the way the game is supposed to be played.

I don´t think SL is such a defensive juggernaut GJ made it up to be in his AAR vs Mr.Kane. I´m pretty confident you can overcome the limit with some proper planning and rotation. I actually think it might make it easier for you in the later stages of the game. It will kind of ruin China for you though. Retreats in unwanted directions (causing overstacking) ate up a LOT of the already critical Chinese supply. Be very wary of that...


I´ll refrain from reading GJs AAR so I can aid you to the best of my abilities. [:)]




catwhoorg -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 3:04:58 PM)

Looking forward to this one.




aztez -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 3:43:20 PM)

Good luck! Nice to see PDU off. I'am haven't experienced that luxury either.




Lokasenna -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 3:57:04 PM)

Cool! I'm interested to compare this with my Allied games.




House Stark -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 4:41:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert
The game won't begin right away. It'll probably be a week or two until it kicks off. In the meantime I'd love any comments about the idea of playing with PDU-off on the Allied side or any other tips you can throw this rookie as I get going.

If you don't already have it set that way, you need to be have the settings so that air groups aren't automatically set to upgrade/receive replacements.

Other than that, I would recommend being very careful when (and where) upgrading air groups, especially early on when replacement rates are low. With PDU on the Allies can squeeze maximum value out of their few airframes, but without you will be need to be extra careful which groups get new planes. Grejoy might be limited in his aircraft selection, but he will be able to tailor his production accordingly.

I'd also keep air group withdrawals in mind for groups getting the most advanced planes. I think most times you can opt to keep the planes when withdrawing, but there are a few groups which can only be disbanded.

All in all, PDU off will probably make things harder for both of you in 42, but it will be less detrimental to the Allies once they start to get decent replacement rates. I'm going to guess that you're right in that it will lead to a more historical game.




ny59giants -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 5:34:23 PM)

I'm not an Allied expert, but I've played the first 6 months enough since WITP days. These are things I almost always do.

1) The two PBY groups in Philippines go to India eventually. India gets those small 4 or 6 plane Catalina groups and they aren't enough.

2) Weigh using those old Clemson Class DDs in SRA as I want to convert them to APDs asap. They have 6 ASW devices and are some of you best early war American ASW ships and are used a lot to escort transports. Late 42 or early 43 they can go into Fast Transport TFs.

3) SS Argonaut, Narwhal, Nautilus DO NOT get upgrades in 4/24. They are used together in Sub Minelaying TF and their 13 knots speed doesn't hurt them there.

4) B-17Ds go to India for the time being from Philippines as you can get the B-17E from Pearl and USA to Australia easy enough.

5) Big Bad Boise can sneak over to be put on patrol between Tokyo and Truk. She can destroy a whole transport TF by herself and her high endurance allows her to stay for some time. Then to Alaska before USA vs Pearl.

6) Singapore has an Air HQ and then there is one at Kuala Lumpur. You can load this one and have her go to a size 2 AF and use your Vildebeest and Swordfish someplace other than Malaya. Just a thought.

7) Use PP to buy out the two large Dutch BF (100 Aviation Support) at Batavia and Soerabaja. A fragment is transported by PBYs to India from Batavia and the one at Soerabaja has a fragment go to Darwin and then march down to Sydney. The extra Aviation Support comes in handy! I use PP to buy about 5 of the small Dutch BF and the AA at Lautem to go to Australia for rebuilding, but not to recombine. Those little 15 Aviation Support help at some smaller bases.

8) Use PP to buy out most of the USA based PBYs. They go though Seattle, Dutch Harbor, Midway, and Pearl before heading south. If GJ was to take Midway, then this route is closed. Ask the two guys vs John 3rd about this.

9) American 40th and/or 41st Divisions go to Cape Town via Eastern USA to await PP to get to India. Maybe some AA, FA, and EABs go here. From Cape Town you have options of India or Australia when you get enough PPs.

10) Lots of Pacific L and Dominion M Class xAK start in India and can convert to xAPs. I move them to Cape Town for this 24 days process. Most end up in USA. They have good enducrance and are small enough to be dockside to your size 2 ports or smaller.

Good Luck!! [sm=00000436.gif]




Lowpe -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 6:49:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants
5) Big Bad Boise can sneak over to be put on patrol between Tokyo and Truk. She can destroy a whole transport TF by herself and her high endurance allows her to stay for some time. Then to Alaska before USA vs Pearl.


That is nasty![sm=happy0065.gif]




rook749 -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 7:39:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants
5) Big Bad Boise can sneak over to be put on patrol between Tokyo and Truk. She can destroy a whole transport TF by herself and her high endurance allows her to stay for some time. Then to Alaska before USA vs Pearl.


Hmmm, I like this.





Blind Sniper -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 8:07:30 PM)

Good luck Obvert! [:)]

quote:

The game will be DBB with stacking limits and with PDU-off


Which one?




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 8:31:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

I can´t tell you how envious I am of you right now. You get to play my dream! [:)] At least I will know if I´m right or wrong about PDU OFF. I still think this is the way the game is supposed to be played.

I don´t think SL is such a defensive juggernaut GJ made it up to be in his AAR vs Mr.Kane. I´m pretty confident you can overcome the limit with some proper planning and rotation. I actually think it might make it easier for you in the later stages of the game. It will kind of ruin China for you though. Retreats in unwanted directions (causing overstacking) ate up a LOT of the already critical Chinese supply. Be very wary of that...


I´ll refrain from reading GJs AAR so I can aid you to the best of my abilities. [:)]


Thanks Jocke. I'll need the help for sure so I'll hold you to that! Even with the new baby! [;)]

I'm looking forward to seeing how all of this stuff develops with the major restrictions from DBB, SL and PDU-off. A new world. I know Nic will make the most of what he has, so regardless of whether he's flying Nates or Franks, I'll be in for a struggle.

The game will move slowly at first due to my schedule and I'll also need a lot of time to figure stuff out. I've been playing the Allies a bit but the AI is not the same as our Italian Penguin. I have to be on top of things, so I'll keep it to a pace I can handle at first.

I'll be sending regular queries your way! Be ready! [:)]




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 8:33:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Blind Sniper

Good luck Obvert! [:)]

quote:

The game will be DBB with stacking limits and with PDU-off


Which one?


GJ just sent this, asking if the settings were okay.

Is it ok for you Scen 30, SLs, extended Map and Reduced Cargo?

I left it to him, as he's playing PDU-off, to choose what he wants. I haven't even set up DBB or the map yet, but wil this week. I think this is the DBB-C? Am I right?





obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 8:38:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: House Stark


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert
The game won't begin right away. It'll probably be a week or two until it kicks off. In the meantime I'd love any comments about the idea of playing with PDU-off on the Allied side or any other tips you can throw this rookie as I get going.

If you don't already have it set that way, you need to be have the settings so that air groups aren't automatically set to upgrade/receive replacements.

Other than that, I would recommend being very careful when (and where) upgrading air groups, especially early on when replacement rates are low. With PDU on the Allies can squeeze maximum value out of their few airframes, but without you will be need to be extra careful which groups get new planes. Grejoy might be limited in his aircraft selection, but he will be able to tailor his production accordingly.

I'd also keep air group withdrawals in mind for groups getting the most advanced planes. I think most times you can opt to keep the planes when withdrawing, but there are a few groups which can only be disbanded.

All in all, PDU off will probably make things harder for both of you in 42, but it will be less detrimental to the Allies once they start to get decent replacement rates. I'm going to guess that you're right in that it will lead to a more historical game.


Yes, especially since I accidentally set it this way for my match with Jocke!

I will make sure as with PDU-off that could be catastrophic.

I hope it'll be a challenge for us both. I also have some interesting thoughts about how to use the various types of planes, maybe a bit unorthodox for AE but maybe a bit more like historical. Not quite, but closer. Not because I don't want to get the most out of my groups, but more deception, more variation of strikes. More on that later.




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 9:03:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I'm not an Allied expert, but I've played the first 6 months enough since WITP days. These are things I almost always do.

1) The two PBY groups in Philippines go to India eventually. India gets those small 4 or 6 plane Catalina groups and they aren't enough.

2) Weigh using those old Clemson Class DDs in SRA as I want to convert them to APDs asap. They have 6 ASW devices and are some of you best early war American ASW ships and are used a lot to escort transports. Late 42 or early 43 they can go into Fast Transport TFs.

3) SS Argonaut, Narwhal, Nautilus DO NOT get upgrades in 4/24. They are used together in Sub Minelaying TF and their 13 knots speed doesn't hurt them there.

4) B-17Ds go to India for the time being from Philippines as you can get the B-17E from Pearl and USA to Australia easy enough.

5) Big Bad Boise can sneak over to be put on patrol between Tokyo and Truk. She can destroy a whole transport TF by herself and her high endurance allows her to stay for some time. Then to Alaska before USA vs Pearl.

6) Singapore has an Air HQ and then there is one at Kuala Lumpur. You can load this one and have her go to a size 2 AF and use your Vildebeest and Swordfish someplace other than Malaya. Just a thought.

7) Use PP to buy out the two large Dutch BF (100 Aviation Support) at Batavia and Soerabaja. A fragment is transported by PBYs to India from Batavia and the one at Soerabaja has a fragment go to Darwin and then march down to Sydney. The extra Aviation Support comes in handy! I use PP to buy about 5 of the small Dutch BF and the AA at Lautem to go to Australia for rebuilding, but not to recombine. Those little 15 Aviation Support help at some smaller bases.

8) Use PP to buy out most of the USA based PBYs. They go though Seattle, Dutch Harbor, Midway, and Pearl before heading south. If GJ was to take Midway, then this route is closed. Ask the two guys vs John 3rd about this.

9) American 40th and/or 41st Divisions go to Cape Town via Eastern USA to await PP to get to India. Maybe some AA, FA, and EABs go here. From Cape Town you have options of India or Australia when you get enough PPs.

10) Lots of Pacific L and Dominion M Class xAK start in India and can convert to xAPs. I move them to Cape Town for this 24 days process. Most end up in USA. They have good enducrance and are small enough to be dockside to your size 2 ports or smaller.

Good Luck!! [sm=00000436.gif]


Thanks for all of the amazing tips! I hope to cause the kind of sneaky havoc you're advocating with Boise especially. I know Babs has a lot of traffic early, and I might send her that way first, see if she survives, then look for the next best option. I plan to do a lot of sub recon of shipping channels, and I don't really care if they hit or not, just to get an idea where things move.

I might not optimize and units by buying out DEI stuff so much as I think the same PPs could get better units form the States later with better replacement rates. We'll see though. First time around there will be a lot of surprises.

Conversions are something I really have to get a handle on for he Allies. I haven't thought about it at ALL!! [:D][X(]




Blind Sniper -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 9:11:26 PM)

quote:

I think this is the DBB-C? Am I right?


No, it is the DaIronBabes-C, like stock scenario 2 with all the great improvements by DaBabes crew [:)]




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 9:17:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Blind Sniper

quote:

I think this is the DBB-C? Am I right?


No, it is the DaIronBabes-C, like stock scenario 2 with all the great improvements by DaBabes crew [:)]


Okay. Yeah that's fine. That's what I thought actually.

Now I have to figure out the download and install. [;)]




Blind Sniper -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (3/31/2014 9:34:20 PM)

Let me know if you need help [:)]




koniu -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 4:20:28 AM)

Subscribed [:D]




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 10:21:00 AM)

We're just hammering through the HRs. I had mentioned I would like to play with very few HRs, but with PDU-off and both of us aiming for a more toned down, somewhat historical game experience, we've kind of managed to create a long list! [:D]

Oh, well. It seems right and with GJ we can talk anything through. Neither of us is in the 'win at all costs' mindset. I know competitiveness can take over later, but most of the major stuff we've compromised to allow things to be used rather than making them unavailable. With PDU-off the game will already be at a different pace and the IJ compromises a lot with that setting, so to balance that we've talked about limits on strat bombing (while allowing it from the beginning) and of course the sliding scale for altitude/CAP as well restrictions on night bombing, aerial mining and ground bombing of troops.

We're nearly there and I'll post a complete list after the last suggestions are confirmed.




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 11:19:56 AM)

HRs
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Ok. So he got me to me quickly as usual.

The HRs are as follows:
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Strat bombing:

manpower strikes allowed during daylight
manpower strikes allowed during night with sliding scale:

25 planes/target in 41
50 planes/target in 42
100 planes/target in 43
200 planes/target in 44
400 planes/target in 45-46.

CV strikes allowed for any strategic target at any time

Night bombing port/airfield:

50 planes/target for the entire war.

Aerial mining:

50 planes/target only at night for the entire war.

First turn:

No restrictions on port strikes for IJ
No new TFs for Allies but existing may move
No air groups changing location, but can change CAP settings
No crazy deep *TF moves (Mersing)

Altitude of CAP/sweep:

15k in 41
20k in 42
25k in 43
32k in 44-46.

PP for borders:

Minus Thai and Burmese units

Ground bombing:

No 4E ground bombing

Settings:

DBB scen 30 (with Symon's air mods), PDU OFF, Realistic RnD OFF, Replacements OFF, expand OFF, 7th Dec Surprise ON, Historical Start OFF, Auto Subs OFF, Advanced Weather ON
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The compromises on strat bombing and ground bombing seem fine to me. I proposed the sliding scale and I think this could give it a better 'feel.' Some spots don't have much manpower, but others do. Oh, well. I'll deal with it. Letting strat bombing of manpower be an option in the day gives us both opportunities and turns manpower centers into real targets, as they were in the war. The rules still allow massive bombing in late war over strategic targets and if I want to hit individual factories not in big manpower centers I can go for them with CVs at any time! Fun! Plus it means he'll ALWAYS have to think about a 'Doolittle Raid.'

I have some ideas of how I'd like to use them and this all should work. With PDU-off the number of really good airframes will be a lot smaller for most of the war anyway, so this only makes sense and it fits with the way things were used. Just to clarify though, I'm not looking to 'play historically.' Just to set up situations where the restrictions still allow creative solutions to the problems presented by my opponent and where the game does not move toward concentration of power only.

Most of the HRs and the use of the DBB scen 30 mod lean toward lessening and broadening activity instead of increasing frequency and concentration. This should allow for more use of mobility, more maneuver on land with stacking limits, and greater need for unusual solutions to the situations presented. It might also give the fleet air groups more emphasis in areas they did focus on more in the war including shutting important bases, ground support and even strategic bombing of major facilities. Of course this comes with risk, but with PDU-off I know the risks will be more acceptable and still create interesting opportunities for both sides.

We may not need the CAP/sweep restrictions with Symon's air changes but we'll try it out anyway to see before deciding if we want to change it to allow everything. I think this should work well for both sides.

We've agreed to allow minor airfield and port bombing at night. This should allow the Allies to get better through the war as plane loads and capabilities get better and keep the option for the Japanese as they historically used these strikes, yet no big one turn nuking of an entire base or port at night. DBB flak should limit these strikes as well. I also though will have to think about them, especially at forward 4E bases and ports.




veji1 -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 12:32:17 PM)

Very interesting, looking forward to it ! Good luck to both of you guys.




Barb -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 1:50:17 PM)

Just a hint for squadron upgrades re using PDU-OFF rule - upgrade only when you have to, or after pool reserves are "safe" - and think about "releasing" one model of the plane from the upgrading squadron, to the pool or as replacements for other squadrons.

If you have enough old planes at hand, don't rush to upgrade to the next model - one can still have half-empty squadrons flying P-40B guarding Pearl instead of precious P-40Es [;)]

Old saying "think twice before cutting" has its own worth.




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 1:55:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Barb

Just a hint for squadron upgrades re using PDU-OFF rule - upgrade only when you have to, or after pool reserves are "safe" - and think about "releasing" one model of the plane from the upgrading squadron, to the pool or as replacements for other squadrons.

If you have enough old planes at hand, don't rush to upgrade to the next model - one can still have half-empty squadrons flying P-40B guarding Pearl instead of precious P-40Es [;)]

Old saying "think twice before cutting" has its own worth.


Thanks Barb. I have a feeling this will be a logistical issue throughout the game; how to manage the meagre numbers of frontline airframes in groups that have restricted paths.

In 42 there are so may groups withdrawing my hands will be tied from what I can tell, but later things will open up as more 'keeper' groups arrive and airframes increase both in type and number. A game within the game.

I don't think Allied logistics will be easier than the Japanese economy with all of this management in addition to the multiple nation pool of airframes and pilots, withdrawing groups and ships and the massive amount of stuff to move. I will also be dealing with the unit structure in DBB for the first time. Should be fun!

Does anyone know if DaIronBabes-3 (Scen 30) has any significant differences in OOB to normal DBB for the Allies?




JocMeister -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 3:14:41 PM)

Are you not allowed to hit oil/HI/LI/Factories directly?




Chickenboy -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 6:07:32 PM)

Well, I'm sorry to see you take the Allied side, Obvert. As entertaining as it would be to follow, I must stay faithful to his Imperial Majesty's forces via GreyJoy. Cheers for a good game, mate!




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 7:55:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Are you not allowed to hit oil/HI/LI/Factories directly?


I can with CV air, which means that between those I can hit in daylight bombing manpower and those I can at least threaten with CV strikes, he'll have a lot to cover. As I know from our game, if the Allies late want to hit something, they can.

Also, the thing you did that ground my Japanese forces down was losing the big supply generating centers at Tokyo and Osaka. Those are well within the rules. Places where I can't hit manpower to destroy oil as easily I can hit the port, which will reduce the ability to get it out anyway. I think that is Balikpapan and Miri/Brunei, plus Magwe. All of those will also be within goo CV range at some point if I can do the rest of the job right, so I'll get there eventually.

I'm not too concerned though with hitting absolutely everything. I know what will cause the most pain. [:)]




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/1/2014 9:01:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Well, I'm sorry to see you take the Allied side, Obvert. As entertaining as it would be to follow, I must stay faithful to his Imperial Majesty's forces via GreyJoy. Cheers for a good game, mate!


Still have a game going with the Empire, so I am now mutually conflicted. [:)]

Enjoy GreyJoy's AAR. It'll be fun I'm sure.




obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/3/2014 2:55:26 PM)

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November 24, 1941

2330 SW Nebraska Street, Portland, OR

Martin eased his new black ‘41 Chevy Special DeLuxe sedan out onto the slimy pavement at 5AM on a wet Monday morning. Coffee was just starting to have its effect. The house had been quiet. Elsie and the kids still asleep. Only the sound of starlings and chickadees. The smell of percolating coffee. The soft patter of rain on the shingles. Oregon in November.

Martin was an experienced shop foreman, mechanic and construction specialist after years working dredge and sluice gold mines just outside Fairbanks, Alaska. He’d gone up at age eighteen, shoveling coal in a locomotive to pay his way off the farm in Hockinson, WA. He’d grown up one of twelve; picking, plowing, threshing, thinning and pruning, maintaining and fixing just about anything with an engine. The family led a minor agricultural industry, renting out drying houses, the first threshing machine in the county, tractors and power saws and anything else a farmer might need to get jobs done. All of the Holkkola children worked hard, long hours.

Yellow globes of the sparse streetlights glowed through the mist as he eased onto Hwy 26 and drove drove out of town to find work in the timber country of Clatsop county. They’d come down from Alaska a month ago and he couldn’t find anything but mechanic work since. He liked to think he was worth more than a few dollars a day, and after the wages up in Alaska, working as a foreman in a machine shop, cleaning carborators and changing tires didn’t seem appealing. They’d had a good life up north, or at least he thought so. Elsie wasn’t so convinced. She missed family, missed light in the winter, and didn’t much like the harder life in a cabin miles from town. She was a city girl, from Portland, and she finally convinced Martin to give it a shot in the lower forty-eight. Now that wasn’t looking so good.

If he found something they’d have to move out of Portland. He didn’t like that much. They had savings. He’d made good money, and didn’t have much to spend it on other than a new car every few years and drinks at Ivory Jack’s on Fridays. He liked the countryside up north, but down here it felt dark. Trees too big, air too damp, men too shifty. In the city they had people, too, and that wasn’t all bad. It meant they had a few nights to themselves when Elsie’s sister could take the kids.

The day was shaping up like most. Slow, constant drizzle pushed aside by the wipers and damp air that went right through a wool jacket. He’d felt warmer in forty-below. The road was empty this time of day other than a few logging trucks. His heart sunk lower the farther he drove. Finally, nearing the small timber town of Elsie (which he found unusually funny) he turned into a trucker’s café and had another cup of coffee and a piece of pie. In spite of the marionberry pie, which was fresh out of the oven, and the coffee, which was black and strong, it just didn’t feel right out here.


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koniu -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (4/3/2014 3:11:03 PM)

Oh, this will be that king of AAR.[:D]
Looking forward. Job coffee break will be great.




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