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warspite1 -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/8/2014 10:22:14 PM)

Agreed. I remember Italy in 1990 and Germany in 2006. They were gutted of course but at least neither were humiliated like Brazil have been. This is an absolute shocker and I feel really sorry for the players....



Erkki -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/8/2014 10:35:57 PM)

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Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/8/2014 11:33:44 PM)

I feel sorry for the players, Brazilians don't forgive soccer disasters

Check this about the previous debacle in the Brazilian world cup of 1950

https://sg.sports.yahoo.com/news/goalkeeper-carried-brazil-shocker-020644595--sow.html

Look, my child. There is the man who made Brazil cry."
The target of the pitying words was Moacyr Barbosa -- the goalkeeper who let in the goals which gave Uruguay victory in the 1950 World Cup final at the Maracana.
Brazil's collective memory has no qualms in seeing Barbosa as the chief villain of the piece for a traumatic defeat which the country dubbed "Maracanazo."
Barbosa himself recalled the words of the woman who so indecorously pointed him out in a supermarket to her son fully 20 years after the final.
"The longest jail term you can serve in Brazil is 30 years. I think mine has exceeded that by 13," Barbosa mused in a 1993 interview with TV Cultura



tocaff -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 12:54:43 AM)

I'm still stunned at the result of the match. Brazil isn't that bad and Germany isn't that good, but every once in a while disaster strikes and this time it hit hard. I'll be very interested in the consolation game on Saturday to see how the team responds to such a crushing defeat. No, make that a disaster. The only result that could've been worse would be this kind of trouncing at the hands of Argentina.

I'll recover tomorrow at a BBQ and then watch the Netherlands v Argentina.



Cribtop -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 1:03:53 AM)

This may be a tough question to answer:

Would Brazil rather see a European side win the World Cup on South American soil for the first time, or see their archrival Argentina win in Brazil to preserve the streak? Neither option would be good to me from a Brazilian perspective.



patrickl -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 4:34:27 AM)

The goals :

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/videos/highlights/match=300186474/index.html



warspite1 -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 4:48:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

This may be a tough question to answer:

Would Brazil rather see a European side win the World Cup on South American soil for the first time, or see their archrival Argentina win in Brazil to preserve the streak? Neither option would be good to me from a Brazilian perspective.
Warspite1

I don't see that as a tough one. Brazil are out, they are hurting - and boy are they hurting - but as to who wins? Who cares? The country is shell-shocked and in mourning. Ah, except one thing - the nightmare scenario. Their fierce rivals Argentina winning on Brazilian soil would be a knife to the heart.

The rivalry with your neighbours is the biggest in football, whether it's country - Scotland vs England, inter city - Liverpool vs Manchester or local derby -Tottenham vs Arsenal - these are the big ones. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, as a Spurs fan, if Arsenal were playing Bealzebub's XI, quite frankly, I would be rooting for the devil [;)]

So for Brazil, Argentina winning a 3rd world crown in the Maracana would be er.... highly unpleasant.....



LoBaron -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 6:52:41 AM)

This pretty much sums it up:

90mins Brasil vs. Germany



Apollo11 -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 7:47:36 AM)

Hi all,

The "Brazilian bubble" had to burst at some point... it was just a question of time!

BTW, this Brazil is not a shadow of Brazil from the past that we all love to watch... [:(]

In group Brazil won over Croatia with the help from referee (Neymar not getting deserved red card for hitting Modric, not existing penalty for Brazil and disallowed regular goal for Croatia), they played 0:0 with Mexico and only beat the weak Cameroon. After that it was 1:1 against Chile and lucky penalties that got them through. In quarter finals it was 2:1 against Colombia (again with regular Colombian goal disallowed by the referee)...

All in all the Brazil had huge support from referees (for being the host country) - their actual play was mediocre at best!


Leo "Apollo11"



Terminus -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 8:00:25 AM)

IMO, Brazil collapsed because they followed the same plan that most South American (and South European) teams do: take one or two mega stars and then have the rest of the team support them. When you then lose those mega stars, the rest of the team have no idea what to do with themselves.

Still, 7-1. It's unheard of.



Erkki -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 10:41:48 AM)

http://cartodb.com/v/worldcup/match/?TC=x&vis=31ed2e2a-06ce-11e4-8c1d-0e230854a1cb&h=t&t=Brazil,FFCC00%7CGermany,B40903&m=7%2F8%2F2014%2017:00:00%20GMT,7%2F8%2F2014%2018:52:00GMT&g=108%7C11,23,24,26,29,87,97#/2/-17.5/-5.6/0


3-0 and Twitter exploded...



tocaff -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 11:11:23 AM)

I'd hate to see Argentina advance today as anybody lifting the Cup would be better than Argentina. See what happens when you live in Brazil?



Encircled -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 12:31:45 PM)

For those of us who have grown up with Brazil being the exponents of the "beautiful game", the tournament has been something of a shock.

Lots of songs at English football grounds along the lines of "its just like watching Brazil". From now on, it will have a whole new meaning



patrickl -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 1:02:18 PM)

Go Orange go!!



Symon -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 7:13:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tocaff
I'd hate to see Argentina advance today as anybody lifting the Cup would be better than Argentina. See what happens when you live in Brazil?

Ouch, Tocaff. I know Argentina ain't the best, and all of us down here dislike her, but Jeez Louize. They are the last, best hope for a South American World Cup.
BTW, I don't really hate them. My sweetie is an Argentine from San Carlos de Bariloche. Think (hope) we are going beyond the sweetie stage.



KenchiSulla -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 10:48:30 PM)

crap



Encircled -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 10:52:47 PM)

Unwatchable drivel for the most part that

Going to be some very motivated Argentinian players on Sunday night. Winning the world cup in Brazil would top everything they have ever done



KenchiSulla -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 10:59:04 PM)

Si, perhaps. Both parties were to scared to give something away...



obvert -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 11:02:01 PM)

Not the best lineup choice for the penalties, eh? Robben up first I'd say, but the Argentine goalie did really well.

Too bad neither team decided to free it up during the game.



buutsy -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 11:02:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Si, perhaps. Both parties were to scared to give something away...

... and scared to play the final against Germany [:D]



nadia911 -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/9/2014 11:17:22 PM)

Argentine [&o]



tocaff -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 1:21:56 AM)

So Brazil must beat the Orange to regain a small shred of their confidence.

I believe Germany is poised to be the first European team to lift the cup in South America. This could be a repeat of the match 4 years ago even though both teams are better than then.



Cribtop -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 4:44:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

This may be a tough question to answer:

Would Brazil rather see a European side win the World Cup on South American soil for the first time, or see their archrival Argentina win in Brazil to preserve the streak? Neither option would be good to me from a Brazilian perspective.
Warspite1

I don't see that as a tough one. Brazil are out, they are hurting - and boy are they hurting - but as to who wins? Who cares? The country is shell-shocked and in mourning. Ah, except one thing - the nightmare scenario. Their fierce rivals Argentina winning on Brazilian soil would be a knife to the heart.

The rivalry with your neighbours is the biggest in football, whether it's country - Scotland vs England, inter city - Liverpool vs Manchester or local derby -Tottenham vs Arsenal - these are the big ones. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, as a Spurs fan, if Arsenal were playing Bealzebub's XI, quite frankly, I would be rooting for the devil [;)]

So for Brazil, Argentina winning a 3rd world crown in the Maracana would be er.... highly unpleasant.....


Understood. Kind of like the T-shirts we have in American football. "My favorite team is the Texas Longhorns and whoever is playing the University of Oklahoma."

Just curious.

PS - Argentina - Netherlands was not really a joy to watch, eh? My only comment is that several of the non-Messi Argentine players did quite well tonight on defense and in the midfield. Germany should win the final, but should and will are two different words.



pharmy -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 9:55:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

This may be a tough question to answer:

Would Brazil rather see a European side win the World Cup on South American soil for the first time, or see their archrival Argentina win in Brazil to preserve the streak? Neither option would be good to me from a Brazilian perspective.
Warspite1

I don't see that as a tough one. Brazil are out, they are hurting - and boy are they hurting - but as to who wins? Who cares? The country is shell-shocked and in mourning. Ah, except one thing - the nightmare scenario. Their fierce rivals Argentina winning on Brazilian soil would be a knife to the heart.

The rivalry with your neighbours is the biggest in football, whether it's country - Scotland vs England, inter city - Liverpool vs Manchester or local derby -Tottenham vs Arsenal - these are the big ones. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, as a Spurs fan, if Arsenal were playing Bealzebub's XI, quite frankly, I would be rooting for the devil [;)]

So for Brazil, Argentina winning a 3rd world crown in the Maracana would be er.... highly unpleasant.....


Understood. Kind of like the T-shirts we have in American football. "My favorite team is the Texas Longhorns and whoever is playing the University of Oklahoma."

Just curious.

PS - Argentina - Netherlands was not really a joy to watch, eh? My only comment is that several of the non-Messi Argentine players did quite well tonight on defense and in the midfield. Germany should win the final, but should and will are two different words.


If the dutch got through it wouldn't have been a proxy match for all 4 sides, as the fiercest rivals (fan-base wise) of the Germans are the Dutch. Lots of fights between their hooligans in the 80s and 90s. I'm guessing the Dutch will now be rooting for Argentina.



PetrOs -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 10:07:15 AM)

I hope for a good match crowned by our (german) victory on sunday! I'd really love to see our golden generation (Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Klose..) to finally see the title. As long as they dont get too relaxed due to a high win, and accept a hefty fight, they should be able to do it, too



patrickl -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 10:33:54 AM)

Yes, it will be a very good game. Both are titans and they will surely fight to the very end of game.[&o][:D]



tocaff -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 12:45:29 PM)

You have no idea at how Brazilians are when it comes to supporting their country or club teams. They literally go to war with one another on a regular basis. Sometimes they don't even need a game for the attacks to happen. Think European 80s and 90s today, but magnified.



pharmy -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 12:57:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tocaff

You have no idea at how Brazilians are when it comes to supporting their country or club teams. They literally go to war with one another on a regular basis. Sometimes they don't even need a game for the attacks to happen. Think European 80s and 90s today, but magnified.


I can imagine based on what I saw on Brazil's beer at venues law previous to the worldcup , check out this video from that lovely chap Fifa chap Valcke, trying very hard not to sound arrogant http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnuqrj_fifa-brazil-must-sell-beer-in-stadiums_sport



Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 1:40:03 PM)

This is one of the most popular TV shows of Argentina, making fun or better to say insulting Brazil for its defeat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7pqG_RmptM

There is not a lot of love between the 2 countries. at least in terms of soccer

This is really a disaster for Brazil; its 2 main rivals "defiling" their holy temple of Maracana. they won't remember this world cup fondly



tocaff -> RE: Really OT : World Cup 2014 (7/10/2014 2:54:11 PM)

Brazilians still hurt from the defeat by Uruguay in 1950. It`ll be a long time before they screw up the courage to host another Cup as this is the second and they didn`t win either.



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