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FingNewGuy -> RE: NASA's concept spaceship for interstellar travel WOW (6/17/2014 4:36:23 PM)
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ORIGINAL: fenrislokison
hmm... no no, we're not killing the planet, just us (and a lot of others species). The main issue being, i think, overpopulation.
But Earth already has faced a lot of massive extinctions without life disappereance. Cyanobacterias have already self-destruct a long time ago (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_catastrophe).
With a little research, i think we can find other examples of a species destroying its own environment because of overpopulation.
So not only do i think we're not killing the planet, i don't even think we're a really bad species, we're just doing what we are supposed to do: breed, breed and breed some more, everything else being just details.
In fact, we're unlucky. We're sufficiently aware to realize we're killing ourselves, but not enough to do something else.
But space exploration and exploitation maybe our real chance. If we have the ability to lay waste elsewhere, on dead planets like the Moon or Mars, maybe we'll do it less on Earth (saving our asses in the process).
Of course, this could be quicker if i'm selected as the main ruler of Earth! After all, i won plenty of DW games! [:D]
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hmm... no no, we're not killing the planet, just us (and a lot of others species)
To clarify, that is what 'killing the planet' means. Naturally I do not imply that we can kill the third rock from the sun.
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But Earth already has faced a lot of massive extinctions without life disappereance.
I said nothing about life disappearing. Submitted for your consideration: please do some quick research on conditions in the Pacific Ocean. Clue: I am NOT referring to Fukushima in this regard.
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With a little research, i think we can find other examples of a species destroying its own environment because of overpopulation.
I am quite certain that we can. That, however, in no way, shape or form excuses us humans doing the same.
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So not only do i think we're not killing the planet, i don't even think we're a really bad species, we're just doing what we are supposed to do: breed, breed and breed some more, everything else being just details.
What we are supposed to do??? [X(]I am overjoyed that I violently disagree with you on these points! [:-]
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In fact, we're unlucky. We're sufficiently aware to realize we're killing ourselves, but not enough to do something else.
In fact, that is the very definition of insanity- luck having squat to do with the issue. Repeatedly following the same course of action (breed, breed, breed) and achieving the previously observed, undesirable result (ibid) is insane. AND THEN not correcting said course of action and decrying our luck...[8|]
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But space exploration and exploitation maybe our real chance. If we have the ability to lay waste elsewhere, on dead planets like the Moon or Mars, maybe we'll do it less on Earth (saving our asses in the process).
Laying our waste elsewhere!? That is EXACTLY what I do not want to see us do. For starters, how about being proactive and changing our habits so that we have a far more sustainable situation (and FAR less waste) to deposit anywhere? Hmmm? And as stated previously, our civiliztion would much rather squander trillions on war and surveillance than on more productive pursuits such as space travel. [:)]
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