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pharmy -> RE: Japan's best oil routes (6/28/2014 3:41:12 AM)
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ORIGINAL: erstad
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Doing this with fuel or supply will result in some losses in transit.
You sure? I thought this was true of supply but not fuel.
I've seen this quoted "95. Gameplay Change: Removed the wastage of resources/oil/fuel during overland movement." not sure which patch. I think 1.00.9 something
Having all the oil/fuel/resources flowing back overland from Burma/Singers all the way to Fusan eliminates, to me, one of the (supposedly) major challenges of the game, getting the HI supplied with enough raw materials fast enough while having to run through a gauntlet of submarines?.Especially when in 43 most of the US subs will start getting more effective torpedoes. Based on the many AARs I've read nobody really seems to run out of raw materials in 44 anyway, as Japanese ASW is too effective and the merchant fleet is oversized. If they eliminated wastage by overland movement and since it seems that oil for example has no problem traveling all the way even through such road and rail-less gaps as the one between Burma and Thailand, Thailand and Vietnam and the one in Southern China, then surely it is the final nail in the coffin of a never been quite effective economic warfare aspect of the game. If major convoy shipping is eliminated from the SRA to the HI, then I think the AFBs might have a case for working US torpedoes to try to somehow balance out the situation before their subs find no targets. There will still be short convoys running throughout the DEI, but their limited geographical area, and the ease of plugging entrances to it, make your opponents task much harder. Barricading the whole China Sea is much harder. My current PBEM is 3 months away from 43 and my opponent is eagerly awaiting the end of his endless dud frustrations. If he finds no targets I think he might just go completely mad.
Sentoku's suggestion of Saigon-Haiphong is not the type of overland "magical" movement I wrote of above, I think with a rail line that is perfectly in keeping with historical and original gameplay intents. I was writing of the way oil/fuel seems to move even across the border from Vietnam, to South China on roads and then, especially if Changsha is not in Japanese hands, on minor and major roads all the way to Shanghai and beyond. In the War in the East forum a lot of people debated what Hitler could have achieved with the Caucasus oil fields, since Germany would have had no real way to ship the oil back to its own refineries, in the Pacific theater there was no debate, Japan got the oil fields it wanted, but historically ran out of oil and fuel in the HI due to the loss of their shipping
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