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Lowpe -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 12:12:05 PM)
Should be very interesting to watch the outcome. How big are your runways at Ledo?

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 2:16:51 PM)
Ledo is at 3.73 level airfield I liberated it a month or so ago, I will see if I can send some additional engineer LCUs to speed up its building. My priority was Chittagong as I was expecting a heavy fighting over Magwe that thanksfully was not needed

poodlebrain -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 2:24:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury I agree with JocMeister, but because I have really nothing to lose, other than maybe a few more weeks of Chungking ownership. I just set a shock attack Woo hoo. I was hoping you would, but I didn't feel I had the investment in your AAR to make the recommendation. Good luck. I'm too lazy to do the math, but what will be the supply cost to the Japanese if you are successful in destroying numerous squads compared to just absorbing multiple attacks? Also, how much time will it buy you as the Japanese will have to withdraw to well supplied bases in order to rebuild any losses they suffer?

Lowpe -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 2:36:10 PM)
I would be flying in as much supplies as I could, even diverting heavy bombers to that duty. I would be looking to max Ledo out, asap. Why? Supplies is what China needs, and supplies sent to Chungking are going to hurt the Japanese. Chungking is fairly hard to stop transports to, and is a huge VP gain for Japan as well as on the tactical side it frees up large amounts of troops. Of course, if you haven't prepared for it with trained pilots, big airbases, plentiful supply and aviation support, you probably have two months before Chungking can fall depending upon the results of this shock attack. [sm=00000613.gif]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 3:10:26 PM)
The problem is I cannot undo now the cummulative effects of an India invasion early on (thanksfully already taken care of) plus my total inneptitude and lack of interest in the Chinese theater. We are playing DBB-C with extended map and overstack penalty. I originally thought that the overstack was going to help me in China, instead each Chinese defeat/ withdrawal would invariably meant that more and more troops got inside an overstacked base, with supply consumption going up at alarming rates. I think a good land player that carefully played China could had done a much better job. I didn't, I always hated the few minutes I devoted to China on every turn, and yes it was always minutes, the turn could take me 5 hours, but I still always devoted just a few minuted to China. So from early 42 until a few months ago most of India was in Japanese hands. So for at least 6 months there was no supply at all coming to China. Ledo was only recently started to get built. Also important to mention that up to recently my air transport focus was on moving supply from Calcutta to Bangladesh. So I will certainly start "the hump" very soon, most likely once Ledo reaches level 4. Most of the planes are already in Calcutta training, so it can start quickly. That being said, I am not too confident on turning the tide here Supply nightmare: Kunming at 3,454 Changsa at 180 Chungking at 420 all others below 100 [image]local://upfiles/41287/A5F0335BB3EE4893AE37A60BA794BB78.jpg[/image]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 3:17:05 PM)
more horror... Chungking is completely surrounded, so no supply will come in or out unless my shock attack succeeds [:D] [image]local://upfiles/41287/7FB0F3CA04FC417BBA920A1C21634228.jpg[/image]

jwolf -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 3:20:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury Supply nightmare: Kunming at 3,454 Changsa at 180 Chungking at 420 all others below 100 With so little supply at Chungking, can you even make an attack there? I would worry that an attack, if ordered, will turn into a half-hearted affair with only a few units actually attacking, you burn up all your supply and accomplish little or nothing against the enemy even if they already have massive disruption. Here's to hoping against hope that it will be better than that.

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 3:29:04 PM)
Supply is already burnt, I am actually surprised it is at 420, before it was much less, probably just a matter of less mouths to feed after yesterdays' slaughter Once you are significantly overstacked, trying to save supply is impossible, it will just get burned at horrible rates. That is the case with Chungking. It doesn't help that every destroyed LCU comes to this base. So launching the attack will not make a huge difference, I am hoping lots of Chinese LCUs will be destroyed so they will come back a little fresher in 3 weeks. I believe assault will go at 25% efficiency... but 25% of a big mob is still a force to recon. We will see how bad this ends [:'(]

Lowpe -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 3:44:36 PM)
Overstack Chungking....very tough in this mod given your position.[:(] You can at least try to hold on to Kunming, better than nothing.[:)] I am not sure stacking limits are a good thing or a bad thing in China. Overall, I might lean to good thing if China fully understands them and plans accordingly.

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 4:04:49 PM)
Overstacking penalties add another level of complexity to fighting in China. You need to spread out your troops and even predict the direction of your retreats. otherwise you end in a never ending cycle of supply burn. in my view, stacking penalties are good overall, I am willing to suffer it in China if it allows me to have it in other more interesting places like India or Australia

jwolf -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 5:27:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury You need to ... predict the direction of your retreats. Is this even possible realistically? At this time all I can say about retreats is that they will be in whatever is the worst direction available from a tactical point of view. For example, troops in process of moving west to safety, attacked from the east -- and forced to retreat southeast into a trap. [:@]

BBfanboy -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 10:40:08 PM)
Several players have discussed retreat direction recently and the consensus seems to be that the unit will retreat toward the nearest friendly base, provided there is a clear (not interdicted by enemy troops) supply path to it. Otherwise, it appears to be random.

jwolf -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/7/2015 11:04:52 PM)
So ... if I read you right, retreat can, in some cases, be predicted but never controlled. And apparently it's easy, at least in some cases, for the attacking player to herd fleeing units back to a doomed, trapped base. That would explain some of what I've seen in China and, to a lesser extent, Malaya -- admittedly, limited experience and small sample size. Jorge, sorry for the detour, let's hear what happened with your counterattack!

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 10th: Chungking assaulted (12/8/2015 5:56:21 AM)
Never controlled, but you can predict the consequences: imagine you have a stack of 30,000 troops near base "A" (1 hex away) Base "A" stacking limits is 25,000 and it is already at max You have to be very careful with the 30,000 stack because if it is defeated, it will likely move to base "A" and proceed to burn supply at horrible rates. So you basically need to manage carefully where you have troops, otherwise supply will simply evaporate. This is not so much of an issue in other theatres, but China is already starving

Jorge_Stanbury -> Nov 11th: Chungking Allied attack (12/8/2015 6:16:33 AM)
Not pretty [:D] and too few Japanese losses to be considered worthwhile probably Chungking will fall a few weeks earlier now -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking (76,45) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 187919 troops, 598 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4672 Defending force 161504 troops, 1720 guns, 744 vehicles, Assault Value = 2211 Allied adjusted assault: 564 Japanese adjusted defense: 1665 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 3643 casualties reported Squads: 32 destroyed, 271 disabled Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 112 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 16 disabled Guns lost 113 (6 destroyed, 107 disabled) Allied ground losses: 41663 casualties reported Squads: 1961 destroyed, 2485 disabled Non Combat: 246 destroyed, 369 disabled Engineers: 58 destroyed, 41 disabled Guns lost 58 (21 destroyed, 37 disabled) Units destroyed 4 Assaulting units: 43rd Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 59th Chinese Corps 32nd Chinese Corps 85th Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 81st Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 14th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 3rd Chinese Corps 51st Chinese Corps 89th Chinese Corps 62nd Chinese Corps 21st Chinese Corps 3rd Prov Chinese Corps 35th Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 12th Chinese Corps 34th Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 63rd Chinese Corps 91st Chinese Corps 56th Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 2nd Prov Chinese Corps 86th Chinese Corps 3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps 38th Group Army 10th Group Army 83rd Chinese Corps 10th Construction Regiment 34th Group Army 7th War Area 4th Chinese Base Force Lusu War Area 3rd War Area 10th Chinese Base Force 41st AA Regiment 49th AA Regiment 39th Chinese Corps 57th AT Gun Regiment 15th Group Army 4th Group Army 7th Chinese Base Force 14th Group Army Central Reserve 33rd Group Army Red Chinese Army 8th Group Army 7th Group Army 1st Artillery Regiment 31st Group Army 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment 23rd Group Army 5th Chinese Base Force 4th War Area 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment 48th Chinese Corps 36th Group Army 12th Group Army 39th Group Army 56th AT Gun Regiment 7th Artillery Regiment 11th Construction Regiment 8th Construction Regiment 24th Group Army 20th Artillery Regiment CAF HQ 8th Chinese Base Force 18th Artillery Regiment 12th Construction Regiment 3rd Group Army 13th Construction Regiment China Command 26th Group Army 16th Group Army 1st Chinese Base Force 2nd Group Army 15th Chinese Corps 17th Group Army 13th Group Army 37th Group Army Jingcha War Area 32nd Group Army 1st War Area 15th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 3rd/A Division 26th Division 32nd/A Division 36th Division 32nd/C Division 32nd/B Division 102nd Infantry Regiment 3rd/B Division 104th Division 70th Division 37th Division 59th Division 69th Division 6th Division 41st Division 34th Division 17th Division 110th Division 3rd/C Division 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 23rd Army 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 12th Army China Expeditionary Army 21st Mortar Battalion 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 11th Army 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 1st Army 21st AA Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 8th Ind Engineer Regiment 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 1st Mortar Battalion 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

jwolf -> RE: Nov 11th: Chungking Allied attack (12/8/2015 12:34:04 PM)
Well I guess you succeeded in having fewer mouths to feed. Other than that ... not so good.

Lowpe -> RE: Nov 11th: Chungking Allied attack (12/8/2015 2:25:23 PM)
Ouch. But not unexpected. I would suggest you suicide shock attack with those worthless units again to get them destroyed.

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 11th: Chungking Allied attack (12/9/2015 7:26:56 AM)
Yes I did that, I need more Chinese units destroyed... I don't like to this, as it is kind of exploiting a (poor) game mechanic, but no other choice really so another slaughter is coming.... which means a period of extreme vulnerability in the next few weeks, I hope level 6 forts help, because he will most likely withdraw and replace his most disrupted units with fresh troops very soon

Jorge_Stanbury -> Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 9:31:44 PM)
Fighting in China is turning to the worst [8\|] Second shock attack only destroyed on Chinese LCU... now I have lots of units at 0 AV.. thus they can't attack anymore -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking (76,45) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 15212 troops, 384 guns, 126 vehicles, Assault Value = 1982 Defending force 179981 troops, 640 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1753 Allied ground losses: 191 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 34th Division 70th/A Division 104th Division 102nd Infantry Regiment 59th Division 3rd/C Division 17th Division 3rd/B Division 110th Division 41st Division 32nd/A Division 32nd/C Division 70th/B Division 32nd/B Division 37th Division 26th Division 36th Division 3rd/A Division 70th/C Division 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 11th Army 21st Mortar Battalion 23rd Army 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 21st AA Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 8th Ind Engineer Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 12th Army 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 1st Army China Expeditionary Army 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Mortar Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion Defending units: 68th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 81st Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 85th Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 14th Chinese Corps 21st Chinese Corps 12th Chinese Corps 63rd Chinese Corps 32nd Chinese Corps 91st Chinese Corps 62nd Chinese Corps 3rd Chinese Corps 56th Chinese Corps 2nd Prov Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 86th Chinese Corps 35th Chinese Corps 3rd Prov Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps 3rd War Area 4th War Area 34th Chinese Corps 36th Group Army 17th Group Army 10th Construction Regiment 39th Chinese Corps 7th War Area 56th AT Gun Regiment Red Chinese Army 16th Group Army 57th AT Gun Regiment 7th Artillery Regiment 37th Group Army 1st War Area 39th Group Army 15th Group Army 1st Artillery Regiment Central Reserve 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment 59th Chinese Corps 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment 24th Group Army 89th Chinese Corps 12th Construction Regiment 15th Chinese Corps 12th Group Army 26th Group Army Lusu War Area 13th Construction Regiment 2nd Group Army 38th Group Army 20th Artillery Regiment 83rd Chinese Corps 8th Construction Regiment 14th Group Army 49th AA Regiment 8th Group Army 31st Group Army 32nd Group Army 48th Chinese Corps 23rd Group Army 7th Chinese Base Force Jingcha War Area 10th Chinese Base Force 4th Group Army CAF HQ 10th Group Army 7th Group Army 3rd Group Army 11th Construction Regiment 4th Chinese Base Force 34th Group Army 18th Artillery Regiment China Command 41st AA Regiment 1st Chinese Base Force 13th Group Army 33rd Group Army 15th Chinese Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chungking (76,45) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 128046 troops, 440 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1743 Defending force 143030 troops, 1543 guns, 740 vehicles, Assault Value = 1982 Allied adjusted assault: 10 Japanese adjusted defense: 2501 Allied assault odds: 1 to 250 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 283 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 26348 casualties reported Squads: 1564 destroyed, 866 disabled Non Combat: 375 destroyed, 299 disabled Engineers: 77 destroyed, 14 disabled Guns lost 21 (5 destroyed, 16 disabled) Units destroyed 1 Assaulting units: 81st Chinese Corps 12th Chinese Corps 91st Chinese Corps 63rd Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 62nd Chinese Corps 3rd Prov Chinese Corps 86th Chinese Corps 35th Chinese Corps 85th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 56th Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 3rd Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps 32nd Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 21st Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 14th Chinese Corps 2nd Prov Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps 17th Group Army 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment 89th Chinese Corps 13th Group Army 4th War Area 11th Construction Regiment 24th Group Army 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment 1st Chinese Base Force 14th Group Army 48th Chinese Corps 3rd War Area Jingcha War Area Red Chinese Army 7th War Area 3rd Group Army 49th AA Regiment 7th Chinese Base Force 56th AT Gun Regiment 2nd Group Army 10th Group Army China Command 8th Construction Regiment 7th Artillery Regiment 7th Group Army 12th Construction Regiment 12th Group Army 36th Group Army 38th Group Army 34th Chinese Corps 33rd Group Army 18th Artillery Regiment 20th Artillery Regiment 83rd Chinese Corps 4th Group Army 1st Artillery Regiment 57th AT Gun Regiment 4th Chinese Base Force Central Reserve 37th Group Army 15th Chinese Corps 16th Group Army 39th Group Army Lusu War Area 15th Group Army 1st War Area 23rd Group Army 26th Group Army 10th Chinese Base Force 10th Construction Regiment 32nd Group Army 34th Group Army CAF HQ 13th Construction Regiment 31st Group Army 39th Chinese Corps 59th Chinese Corps 8th Group Army 41st AA Regiment 15th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 26th Division 110th Division 3rd/A Division 32nd/C Division 34th Division 37th Division 70th/B Division 36th Division 3rd/C Division 59th Division 70th/A Division 104th Division 41st Division 32nd/A Division 102nd Infantry Regiment 17th Division 3rd/B Division 32nd/B Division 70th/C Division 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion China Expeditionary Army 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 21st Mortar Battalion 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 8th Ind Engineer Regiment 11th Army 1st Mortar Battalion 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 21st AA Regiment 1st Army 12th Army 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 23rd Army 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 9:37:24 PM)
Things looking much better in Australia... another supply run will be attempted, most likely all xAKLs will be destroyed, but if I can disembark 6,000 supply and/ or naval bomb Japanese SCTFs, then it would be worthy [image]local://upfiles/41287/9D11ECE896CF4DADAE01220272D0D6A0.jpg[/image]

jwolf -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 9:42:10 PM)
Rats, at least the first attack hit the Japanese pretty hard, too, but this one was a complete disaster! Are your Australian tanks vulnerable to enemy bombers?

Lowpe -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 9:49:00 PM)
Wow.[X(]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 9:49:04 PM)
They might be, but there is nothing I can do about it... too far away. But a key mitigant is that N Australia has been, so far, completely secondary for Japan. I doubt there will be strong opposition, at least early on

IdahoNYer -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 10:04:57 PM)
Condolences on your Chungking fight! Brutal. I'll remember NOT to attack if, I mean, when, I'm in a similar position!

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 10:14:42 PM)
This is the big disaster: Units destroyed 1 Allied ground losses: 26348 casualties reported Squads: 1564 destroyed, 866 disabled Non Combat: 375 destroyed, 299 disabled Engineers: 77 destroyed, 14 disabled Guns lost 21 (5 destroyed, 16 disabled) Units destroyed 1 only 5 units destroyed in total... which means I am naked once he recovers or brings fresh troops

jwolf -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/11/2015 10:38:53 PM)
Dumb question: can you just disband some of the trashed units that would never recover anyway?

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 12th: Chungking is doomed :( (12/12/2015 5:56:28 AM)
That is a good question but no, option of disbanding is "greyed out"

Jorge_Stanbury -> Nov 14th: Darwin supply (12/13/2015 2:39:04 PM)
Big win at Darwin. port size is 3, naval support 36... which means I can guarantee that around half load will unload before Japan can react [image]local://upfiles/41287/0636280CEA27439897D9D860C566E78B.jpg[/image]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Nov 14th: Darwin supply (12/13/2015 3:06:16 PM)
In other news, I risked the fleet to cover some supply TFs. But I forgot to setup CAP over Chittagong, thanksfully his LBA missed CVs are at DL=2, cruisers at DL=10 Question now is, will he accept the challenge? I am happy to fight him as long as we fight close to Calcutta. [image]local://upfiles/41287/7F3A9A567A754D68A763EE6856B6AB20.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 26 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M3 Nell x 11 Japanese aircraft losses G3M3 Nell: 6 damaged G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak Allied Ships CA Quincy CA Exeter DD Hotspur Aircraft Attacking: 10 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 44 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 G3M3 Nell x 6 Japanese aircraft losses G3M3 Nell: 5 damaged Allied Ships CA Exeter CA Quincy Aircraft Attacking: 6 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

Jorge_Stanbury -> Nov 15th: Darwin supply TF unloads (12/15/2015 9:26:43 AM)
All 6,000 supplies succesfully unloaded at Darwin, no reaction at all from Japan In other Australian news, Nookambah will be attacked.. I will be surprised if there is anything other than token resistance [image]local://upfiles/41287/8C330ED87C204A1295ADAD6C37EA5943.jpg[/image] Supply situation is: Darwin 11,969 Katherine 4,994 Daly Waters 377 Wyndham 20

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