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gbethel -> SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 7:57:31 AM)

AI keeps over-allocating missiles against aircraft and missiles. I would like it if we could manually set the allocation value for these types of targets.



kaburke61 -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 3:28:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: gbethel

AI keeps over-allocating missiles against aircraft and missiles. I would like it if we could manually set the allocation value for these types of targets.


I know this has been brought up before, but I have to +1 this. The fact it always wants 2 missles in the air
for a target wastes a lot of ammo. If it would wait for both missles in the 2 missle salvo to miss instead of just
the first, it would work better. In scenarios like ASW advanced exercise, The ship(s) tends to run out of missles
earlier than it needs to because for instance it launches 2, first one misses, immediately launches a 3rd, then
the second one hits, and the 3rd one is a waste.



dcpollay -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 4:36:48 PM)

I think the game should reflect reality here as much as possible. What is real-life doctrine? With vampires inbound, would a task-force commander wait those extra seconds trying to save inventory, or launch the backup shots as insurance?



mikmykWS -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 4:53:02 PM)

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.



kaburke61 -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 5:14:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.


That's all well and good, unless you have a limited missle supply, and you already know (by the amount of
vampires incoming) that you are going to be close to or short of missles. In most of the cases I have
encountered, both in the salvo are launched nearly at the same time, so the "wait" is very short.



Tomcat84 -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 5:16:45 PM)

The answer is, as with any tactical situation: "it depends".
Thats why I tell them to hold fire and do things myself, because I am smarter [:D] [8D]



kaburke61 -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 5:34:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

The answer is, as with any tactical situation: "it depends".
Thats why I tell them to hold fire and do things myself, because I am smarter [:D] [8D]


OK...but if there are multiple inbound vampires on multiple ships, doesn't that mean you are constantly
having to cycle "hold fire" status constantly across the different ships? I haven't tried to manage
the missiles during a defensive arrangement, but if it is that way...that's a lot of possible micromanaging.



Tomcat84 -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 5:40:20 PM)

I turn everyone to hold fire and shoot manually



mikmykWS -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 5:41:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kaburke61

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.


That's all well and good, unless you have a limited missle supply, and you already know (by the amount of
vampires incoming) that you are going to be close to or short of missles. In most of the cases I have
encountered, both in the salvo are launched nearly at the same time, so the "wait" is very short.


Ok.[:)]

Mike



kaburke61 -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 6:28:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mikmyk


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ORIGINAL: kaburke61

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.


That's all well and good, unless you have a limited missle supply, and you already know (by the amount of
vampires incoming) that you are going to be close to or short of missles. In most of the cases I have
encountered, both in the salvo are launched nearly at the same time, so the "wait" is very short.


Ok.[:)]

Mike


LOL..OK I get it, that's the mikmyk version of "I'm dismissing you now" (I've seen that one a few times [:)] )
No biggie, it would just have been kinda cool to have a "fire in salvos only" kind of switch that would be useful
in some situations.



mikmykWS -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 7:16:35 PM)

No wasn't dismissing you at all.

Mike



DeSade -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 9:06:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kaburke61
No biggie, it would just have been kinda cool to have a "fire in salvos only" kind of switch that would be useful
in some situations.


This would be some kind of compromise - to evaluate whole salvo (2 missiles) before shooting another one. Anyway, its nice idea, not top priority issue imho



mikmykWS -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/22/2014 9:27:25 PM)

We have some salvo logic to incorporate down the line but its a little different line of thought than how many missiles should be fired if under attack.

In most cases the air warfare people aren't thinking, "Well I'll need some for tomorrow or the next day so maybe I just fire 2". In reality they're are going to shoot until the threat is gone. There are a few counterpoint cases in that logic (aka it is not perfect)but for now I think there are far less than doing otherwise until we get some other things implemented. We are currently working on something that may give players a lot more control in many areas regardless.

Thanks!

Mike









kaburke61 -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/23/2014 12:41:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

"Well I'll need some for tomorrow or the next day so maybe I just fire 2".

Thanks!

Mike



Please, that is NOT what I was alluding to. Play ASW advanced exercise. The Russian sub with missiles lobs them
all at you in a steady stream. Now watch your escort lob 2 missiles, first misses, then launches 3rd, then
2nd hits, then 3rd goes blind. Now after rinse and repeat of this a few times, watch your escort run out of
missiles to defend......









mikmykWS -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/23/2014 2:09:56 AM)

Ok. Will give it fair time and consideration.

Thanks

Mike






ComDev -> RE: SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles (10/23/2014 4:14:16 AM)

I guess what you 're asking for is 'Commander's Guidance' functionality. This is very high on the list of things we would like to add, but for now you'll have to allocate weapons manually if you want to fire qty's different than the default. Sorry [8D]



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