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ORIGINAL: Helpless

Thanks for sharing the results.

Basically flak can be described by the measuring flak value versus flight evade value. Flak value is a composition of various gun device characteristics modified by the target altitude and external parameters (placement, weather, supplies).

Evade is composition of speed and altitude. Speed evade is degrading once you go higher, alt is obvious does opposite. So the "safest" alt is either too low (but high speed/maneuver/or diving) or very high. Accuracy has opposite tendency.

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

cannonfodder - Helpless asked if you had FOW turned on. This is EXTREMELY important since you will always have high damage reports when you do have FOW on. The bombers see explosions and go 'oh yeah toasted that target!'. You will occasionally notice in a campaign game that you are losing points for either Uboat or VW targets but your reports show that they all have 100% damage . . .

Having been one of the testers that periodically sanity checked the air game as per losses and effects, my findings on the effects of altitude on bombing effectiveness and flak losses agree pretty closely with yours. Note that some of your losses due to flak actually fall into the Operational Losses column because flak damaged them enough that they did not make it back. The same with air combat losses - not enough damage to shoot it down but enough to have to ditch on the return trip. That also explains why Operational Losses are so high in this game. Accumulated damage effect combined with bad flying.

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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Testing continued:

Ran tests with 8th and 15th AF in the intro air campaign: Conclusions - Four of the targeted industries were reported destroyed (100% damage). Actual damage was 70-95%.

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Having really tested this in many ways during the play testing I can tell you that there may be some more tweaks necessary but overall the loss percentages are pretty close to historical.
Ok. One thing though, I notice that if the Axis do manage to intercept the fatality rate is very high. On the first turn of the 1943 I ordered airbase strikes in Northern France and Belgium and managed to destroy more then 350 aircraft, 200 of which on the ground (mostly night fighters). Axis pilot losses were about 150 (with 0 nightfighter pilot losses) so that means that almost every pilot that was shot down or crash landed died...

Play a Head to Head game with you on both sides. As the Axis move around the flak so that you can make some no flak, light flak, medium flak, and heavy flak targets. Remember that accuracy and damage is also dependent upon the industrial target you are attacking so keep that the same. Going after fuel and oil targets tend to do much greater damage on the whole, factories which produce other items tend to gain less damage. Something about the target itself being a large explosion just waiting to happen.Fair enough

You should find that the flak levels not only affect the losses but also the accuracy of the bombing. Altitudes over 20K are only vulnerable to heavy flak (88mm+ I think). There is a lot less flak units in that category. The heavy flak also tends to have a lower rate of fire so flak thins out drastically above 20K.Are you sure? Which FLAK types are shooting at 15k that are not shooting at 21k?

If you want the Axis fighters to intercept well, place them on Air Superiority missions over the targets are along the flight path. Keep the area of the air directive fairly small - five or less - to greatly improve the chances of interception.You see, this is an issue in my opinion. That is an artificial way of increasing intercepts where in reality (we are looking at a day/weekly level) response was based on sighting, radar detection and interpreting the raid routes.. The job the British did so well during the BoB

And play with Fog of War off so you can get accurate accounts on both sides because your intel lies! I am

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

Thanks for sharing your test results.

The biggest concern they raised is a higher than expected factory damaged percentage for high alt bombing. I'll check them out. Can you upload a save before air execution?

Flak losses doesn't look too off, but most efficient altitude for the heavy flak could be shifted toward lower altitudes a bit. I'll double check it.

As for fighters, it would be good if you could point out on the exact air group which is in your opinion is not reacting.

Thanks.

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Pavel, isn't bomb damage reported usually higher than the actual number with FOW? That is my experience anyway.

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ORIGINAL: sfbaytf

Here's my first turn loss report for the Intro Air Campaign-Normal Difficulty no Fog of War



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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Here is my current air losses screen from a 43 Campaign on turn 11:

EDIT: The difficulty is Challenging Axis AI (110 vs 90). The losses are heavier than historical because I tend to punish my airforce - a lot of air missions and heavy usage.

Note the Axis have 582 a/c destroyed on the ground and have about one third to air combat losses of the Allies. That is because I have unescorted bombers going deep into Germany and some out the back of Germany into Poland vs Uboat factories.


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