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Gettysburg -> Patch (12/18/2014 1:35:16 PM)

Comes the Patch today? I have read somewhere else here, it should be come late this week!![&o]




Erik Rutins -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 1:44:22 PM)

Should be available tomorrow.




joey -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 2:53:48 PM)

What areas of WitW will be impacted by this upcoming patch?




jzardos -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 4:41:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joey

What areas of WitW will be impacted by this upcoming patch?


Similar question. Will one side be impacted more than another? Play balance adjustments? Is it going to be advised to restart any currently running games? Very much looking forward to the patch!

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MorningDew -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 4:43:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joey

What areas of WitW will be impacted by this upcoming patch?


I'll bet we find out in less than 30 hours...




Gorforlin -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 5:05:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Should be available tomorrow.


The bombing AB's from 15k ft vs regiments + of AA cheese going to be addressed during this patch?

When the WA's can so easly wipe out LW, everyone will be simply carpet/spam bombing AB's for 10-15 turns and the LW will be gone.

AB should have to be bombed from low levels to take damage not 15k feet.

Cheese is cheese and will be exploited to death shortly be everyone.

Simply spam small raids on AB's 26 bombers at 15k feet destroy 11 planes. Mybee they got lucky, but you see the times it got hit, not luck.

Players are good at finding weak spots in rule sets.

I could be wrong, but data is supporting cheese.




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joey -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 6:12:33 PM)

I think these bombing issues are because bombing from high altitude is simply too accurate. The WA could never have been that good.




Gorforlin -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 6:24:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joey

I think these bombing issues are because bombing from high altitude is simply too accurate. The WA could never have been that good.



This was an issue and still is with WitE.

Russia can completely wipe out LW in 1941 by simply spam bombing of air fields,
this issue has been some what "fixed" during the last patch. BUT every game still requires house rules, you can only bomb AB's 3 times per turn.

I was hoping WitW air system would nerf this exploit, but it seems players will have to make up some house rules for WitW also or LW will be simply wiped out by October.

It looks like small raids are far more effective then larger raids and generally take far fewer loses.

I can see where 200+ planes carpet bombing airfield would be effective, but 26 plane raids from 15k feet?




Gorforlin -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 6:25:55 PM)

Lol they be lucky to hit a small city from that height and only 26 planes. Kinda why they had 1000 plane missions.




Baelfiin -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 6:27:08 PM)

its not that good in 1.006




Gorforlin -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 6:28:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

its not that good in 1.006



What is not Sir?




Joel Billings -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 6:53:42 PM)

Here's the list of items in the patch that we're testing now. We hope it will be available on Friday, but there's never any guarantee with the timing.

You do not have to start over, although the data changes will only be seen in newly started games. There were some data changes made before release that were accidentally lost and not put out at release, and these have been fixed. We're not exactly sure what the impact of these could be on existing games. The biggest issue with the data seemed to be some Italian OBs were missing, which might cause a problem, but hadn't to our knowledge in all of the tests we've run. Other than this unknown re the data, changes in the patch will take effect immediately in existing games.



V1.00.05 – 17 December 2014

• New Features and Rule Changes

1. Rule Change (section 18.1.1) - Italy will never surrender prior to August 1943. In August 1943, the German garrison value in Italy is never divided by 4 when determining Italian surrender.
2. Rule Changes to the air game:
a. Rule change – Victory Conditions (section 25.1.1) – The SBP (Strategic Bombing Points) Date adjustment divisors have been changed to the following: 1943: 2, Jan-Jun 1944: 6, Jul-Dec 1944: 9, 1945: 12 in order to increase Allied bombing points scored. These are intended to offset the changes made below that would otherwise lower Allied bombing points.
b. Adjusted factory bombing damage. Reduced damage rate when factory gets to >50% damaged.
c. Increased night bombing accuracy against manpower targets.
d. Made medium/heavy flak fire more effective at higher altitudes
e. Many changes and fixes to the automatic interception code
f. Adjusted air combat routines and altitude evade ratings.
g. Adjusted airfield targeting routine.
h. Adjusted airfield damage.
3. Rule Change (section 16.5.2) – Changed +3 for moving through an enemy controlled sea hex to +15 in step 1 when determining AV (attrition value). This will make sea movement or invasions that trace through enemy hexes more likely to take shipping losses.
4. Rule Change (section 16.7.1) - When calculating the coastal defense value for amphibious attrition (step 2 of 16.7.1) for amphibious HQs at sea (16.6.2.2), ferry hexes are treated as if the coastal defense is in the target of an invasion (i.e. causing more damage to the unit at sea due to the restricted waters).
5. Rule Change (section 16.6.2.2) - Amphib HQs that move at sea using normal Sea Movement can now suffer damage during movement. A pop-up message will appear reporting the damage taken. This is similar to how a unit at sea can have a transport sunk while moving.
6. Rule Change (section 22.4) – Heavy rain was incorrectly stated in the manual as adding 1-4 water to each hex per turn. It was actually adding 2-4. However, this has been changed so that in good road areas it adds 1-2, average road areas 2-3 and poor road areas 2-4. This is intended to simulate better drainage in more developed areas.
7. Rule Change (section 15.5.1) - Reserve units may not trace a path to a battle over a ferry hex (may not commit if separated by a ferry hex).
8. Rule Change (section 21.1.13.1) - Changed German manpower multiplier to 3 in 1945 (was 1).
9. Rule Change - Whenever the Allied player controls a German Nationality National Supply source, the following rules are in effect:
a. German units that are destroyed will not return to the game.
b. Units withdrawing are no longer required to be at 75% TOE strength before they are withdrawn.
c. All frozen German units will unfreeze in the next German logistics phase.
10. Rule Change (section 17.3.9) - An airborne unit that drops and can't trace to a friendly hex is immediately considered isolated and will surrender if forced to retreat (in the past it would rout until it had gone through a friendly logistics phase and was judged isolated).
11. Rule correction (section 9.6) – Aircraft reliability works as described in the manual, but AFV reliability works differently. The reliability rating of an AFV is actually two different items. The first digit represents the reliability of the AFV when moving (if only 1 digit is shown the 1st digit is assumed to be 0). The higher the number, the less likely the AFV will become damaged during movement. The second digit is survivability, and the higher the survivability the less likely the AFV will be destroyed in combat during a special survival check as opposed to just being damaged.
12. Interface addition - Added load out info when comparing aircraft in the CR screen.
13. Interface addition – On the Airbase Detail screen, Assigned tab, an air group that does not report to the same HQ that the airbase reports to will have an asterisk (*) next to its name.
14. Added code that moves unloaded non-Amphib units from sea hexes to land hexes (due to a bug that has been fixed, it was possible for ground units to get into a sea hex without being on ships, so this will move units back to land).
15. AI – Improvements were made in Allied late war offensive AI and German AI reactions to airborne drops in Sicily.
16. Restricted TacB <-> FB aircraft swapouts for the Axis player so these are not allowed. These swapouts are allowed for the Allies for FB units that are trained as bombers. If a TacB switches to FB, it will be trained as a bomber.
17. Automatic aircraft upgrade/swaps in an air group will not happen for the next two logistics phases after the unit has had a change in aircraft.
18. Decreased pilot training losses.
19. Improved the path selection routine for naval movement made during an amphibious invasion (to minimize movement through enemy controlled and neutral hexes).
20. Made map mouse double clicks more responsive.
21. Adjusted progress bar behavior at the end of air execution.
22. Removed message "Only the Soviet player may form new units" when shift-B is pressed.
23. Interface changes (Air Campaign) – The air campaign victory screen no longer reports the victory points for aircraft lost during the turn (now shows N/A). The a/c loss VPs are only shown in the total column. Also note that on the top right of the map the turn VPs are also shown as N/A. Also adjusted the metrics screen to display correct VP charts for the Air Campaign.
24. Added HG and 10th Panzer Division symbols.
25. Made minor map text adjustments.
26. Editor – Added a new general function “Clear Amphib and Airborne Data. This function clears all amphib and airborne target hexes from the unit data.
27. When one player is set to be played by the AI, the human player is now able to see the units on the map during the amphibious landing phase, even when FOW is on. This may result in a little more information for the German player as Allied units will be fully visible, but we decided that player’s would appreciate seeing the invasions.

• Bug Fixes

1. Fixed possible save/scen file access issues.
2. Fixed device filter in CR screen.
3. Fixed briefing text dates for Husky and Air Campaign.
4. Fixed VP display and final score on Multiplayer screen.
5. Fixed overlapping text on Multiplayer screen.
6. Logistics progress bar goes from 66% done to 61% done. Fixed.
7. Arrival flag for the air group is not reset. Fixed
8. Wrong date is shown for recently arrived units/air groups. Fixed
9. Units attacking from the ferry rout to the sea. Fixed.
10. Fixed display of thousands separator (comma) for negative values.
11. Pressing r key could cause all enemy units to show up with a red border as if they were isolated. Fixed.
12. The Allied AI is not invading mainland Italy in Battleground Italy scenario. Fixed.
13. Can't deselect just split/recombined unit. Fixed
14. A unit in a sea hex controlled by the enemy can be assigned to enemy HQs. Fixed.
15. AD creation screen progress bar doesn't close automatically when the game is set to bigger than 1024x768 resolution. Fixed.
16. Remastered 3 sound files that have the potential for causing problems on some computers. These 3 were the only files that had not previously been remastered.
17. The victory level on the end game screen of a short scenario does not match that of the victory screen. Also, the victory level reported on the MP screen does not match the victory level on the victory screen (the victory screen was showing the correct value). Fixed.
18. National Supply sources were still functioning when adjacent to an enemy unit. Fixed.
19. Fixed a bug where amphib HQs in ferry hexes were not preventing the tracing of a supply path over the ferry, thus allowing German units surrounded in Reggio Calabria that should have been isolated to be treated as supplied via Messina.
20. On-ship/On-train icons are visible in air transfer mode while unit counters are hidden. Fixed.
21. An amphib HQ moving without attached transport or cargo ships suffered a Transport hit message and transports were sunk. Fixed.
22. Fixed several problems with the displayed victory points in the victory screen during the Air Campaign scenario.
23. Battle attacker was set incorrectly when intercepting non-phasing player's naval patrol, which was causing incorrect battle deletion. Fixed.
24. Non-phasing player's naval patrol battles shouldn't be cleared after next logistics phase. Fixed.


• Data and Scenario Changes

Scenario Files
1. Added the following German units to all applicable scenarios - all are reinforcements
226th Infantry Division (WF)
526th Infantry Division (WF)
2nd Cossack Cavalry Division (EF)
1st Marine Division (EF)
2nd Marine Division (WF)
3rd Marine Division (EF)
104th Jaeger Division (EF)
24th SS Mountain Division (EF)
27th SS Grenadier Division (EF)
2. Added US 305th Bombardment Group
3. Deleted German 239th Infantry Division
4. Small production changes
5. Corrected Italian transport group in Rome in 43 Campaign that had 151 a/c (now has 21).

Data Files
Some minor changes in the OB, ground element and device files were made to restore some changes made before release that accidentally were lost before release. In addition, the following changes were added.

Wfdevice.dat
1. 20mm Lahti AT-Rifle (0177) – ROF reduced from 10 to 6; Penetration increased from 22 to 31.
Wfob.dat
1. 40 BR Medium Artillery Regiment (OB 1009) – Last Year/Last Month changed from 1945/9 to 1943/12; upgrade to 44 BR Medium Artillery Regiment (OB 1001) added.
2. 44 BR Medium Artillery Regiment (OB 1001) consisting of 8 4.5in guns and 8 5.5in guns added with upgrade to 45 BR Medium Artillery Regiment (OB 1002).
3. 45 BR Medium Artillery Regiment (OB 1002) added consisting of 16 5.5in guns.
4. 43 US Chemical Mortar Battalion (OB 1346) – 4.2in Mortar (2566) increased from 18 to 36; Support decreased from 43 to 36.
5. 44 US Chemical Mortar Battalion (OB 1347) – 4.2in Mortar (2566) increased from 18 to 36; Support decreased from 25 to 18.




Gorforlin -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 7:13:02 PM)

Great stuff.

Nice nerf to AB bombing - balance restored and no house rules needed.

I have to say over all game is 2 yrs ahead of what WitE was at release.

There are very very few issues compaired to WitE and WitP for that matter.

Just a dam solid game on release which is very rare.

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WANTED DIE OR ALIVE !!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho




marion61 -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 8:52:38 PM)

Is bug fix #1 going to fix the problem with exiting the server after processing a turn and the combat message level goes back to zero?




Helpless -> RE: Patch (12/18/2014 8:55:35 PM)

No, it is not related to MP games.




Grotius -> RE: Patch (12/19/2014 12:05:38 AM)

Looks great. Will we be able to continue our existing games (against the AI, in my case)? Or will this require a restart?




Joel Billings -> RE: Patch (12/19/2014 12:25:24 AM)

You should be able to continue, although you won't benefit from the data changes as the data won't change to the new data in your existing games.




Grotius -> RE: Patch (12/19/2014 1:50:12 AM)

Sounds good. Thanks!




MechFO -> RE: Patch (12/19/2014 11:06:44 PM)

The new intercept changes are great.

What isn't is the lethality. 300NF intercept 500 bombers and shoot down 3.....

The day fighters have also suffered, 2-300 shooting down as little as 30-40 did prior patch, though arguably the kill rate was too high in 1.0, but now it's overshot into the other direction.





marion61 -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 1:15:09 AM)

Yes, in deedy it has [;)]. Even more important to ID bases with fighters and to fly around flak concentrations.




dereck -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 2:28:39 AM)

Has this patch come out yet? When I go to the "My Games" page in the members area i show it saying no downloads available.




marion61 -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 3:02:21 AM)

If you don't have an update button on the autoplay screen, go into the install folder and use update.exe.




dereck -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 1:21:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: meklore61

If you don't have an update button on the autoplay screen, go into the install folder and use update.exe.



I DO NOT have the game on a computer I have internet access too. I would like to be able to download the patch file and install manually.




dereck -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 1:22:18 PM)

Please help - is there a way I can download the patch file from the members page WITHOUT going through the game?




chemkid -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 1:25:47 PM)

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dereck -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 1:31:21 PM)

Thanks. Where do you find that link for the patch? I don't want to have to do this every time a new patch comes out when going to the members page was so much easier for me.




Nico165b165 -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 1:34:55 PM)

There's a direct link in the official post for every patch -> http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3764210




marion61 -> RE: Patch (12/20/2014 4:29:02 PM)

And the new version puts an update button on the autorun screen.




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