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Semachus -> question on gound losses... (3/4/2003 2:48:08 AM)
Hello...a friend and I have been gaming scenario 17 now (3 day turns) using the version 2.20. Now recently over a three day period I lost (as the IJN player) 6,000 men due to air attacks. Now I can see perhaps (or even maybe) when one is strafing with 100 plus aircraft...but when 9 planes are attacking...the total lost is 565,.....and over 2700 men were lost to 52 fighters and fighterbombers.... Now I did check...they have supplies...but the support number is very low. Now with the support number being low I can see enemy ground troops doing this damage..but enemy aircraft? Any thoughts or opinions? Here is the text of the combat reports: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/43 Weather: Rain Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 3 P-40E Warhawk x 3 P-38G Lightning x 3 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 565 Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 6 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 210 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 5 SBD Dauntless x 32 Beaufort x 8 P-40E Warhawk x 15 P-38G Lightning x 15 A-20B Boston x 9 A-20G Havoc x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 24 A-20G Boston x 7 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 120 Attacking Level Bombers: 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 4 x Beaufort at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet 6 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet 4 x Beaufort at 5000 feet 9 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet 4 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet 6 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 9 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 22 B-25D Mitchell x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 18 PB4Y Liberator x 3 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 60 Attacking Level Bombers: 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet 3 x B-25D Mitchell at 2000 feet 6 x B-25D Mitchell at 2000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator at 2000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 17 P-40E Warhawk x 21 P-38G Lightning x 14 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 2782 Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 49 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 601 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 3 P-40E Warhawk x 3 P-38G Lightning x 3 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 398 Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on 238th Regiment, at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 18 SBD Dauntless x 42 Beaufort x 9 P-40E Warhawk x 21 P-38G Lightning x 15 A-20B Boston x 9 A-20G Havoc x 10 B-25J Mitchell x 21 A-20G Boston x 6 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 204 Guns lost 1 Attacking Level Bombers: 3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 4 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 5 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet 6 x Beaufort at 5000 feet 6 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet 3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet 3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet 6 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet 4 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 20 P-40E Warhawk x 21 P-38G Lightning x 15 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 1446 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 54 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 761 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft P-38G Lightning x 3 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on 237th Regiment, at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 24 SBD Dauntless x 45 Beaufort x 12 P-40E Warhawk x 24 P-38G Lightning x 15 A-20B Boston x 10 A-20G Havoc x 10 B-25J Mitchell x 22 A-20G Boston x 9 no losses Attacking Level Bombers: 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 4 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet 3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 6 x Beaufort at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet 4 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet 3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet 4 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet 3 x A-20B Boston at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Havoc at 5000 feet 3 x Beaufort at 5000 feet 3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 21 P-40E Warhawk x 21 P-38G Lightning x 15 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 141 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on Bia , at 41,42 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 45 no losses Japanese ground losses: Men lost 20 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Drex -> (3/4/2003 3:15:29 AM)
I have always thought that UV ground losses by air were excessive but I don't know if the new patch addresses this.

Mr.Frag -> (3/4/2003 4:29:29 AM)
Did you actually loose that many or was it a fog of war thing? There was mention in Joel's notes about a fix to the reporting of excessive ground troops lost...

Semachus -> (3/4/2003 4:57:44 AM)
Hello, Umm, I wish it was a fog or war thing......(sigh). I had checked the units at Bia were at about 15,200 souls...then three days later when I checked after those horrific losses (Rambo anyone?)...I was down to about 9,500 men....

Raverdave -> (3/4/2003 1:42:15 PM)
Yup, this is one of the outstanding things that still need to be fixed....this should be in the bug forum.

Joel Billings -> (3/4/2003 2:14:19 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drex [B]I have always thought that UV ground losses by air were excessive but I don't know if the new patch addresses this. [/B][/QUOTE] The new patch tries to fix it, but I can't say if we've done enough yet in this area. I have found that fortifications make all the difference in avoiding losses from the air attacks.

Raverdave -> (3/4/2003 2:36:24 PM)
Well thats good to hear that the Patch has gone some way towards a fix.

Mr.Frag -> (3/4/2003 7:35:18 PM)
[QUOTE]I have found that fortifications make all the difference in avoiding losses from the air attacks.[/QUOTE] Now there's a shocker :D Who would have ever thought that being surrounded by concrete & sandbags would keep you alive? ;) Sometimes we tend to ignore the obvious.

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