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edsw -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/17/2017 11:33:39 AM)

Result Syrian trip Su-35S
One bomb - 10 airstrikes, star - struck by an aerial target.
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With regard to the White Star writes that it shot down the UAV, which put interfere with navigation systems.
http://djoker-lj.livejournal.com/287275.html



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/17/2017 5:07:31 PM)

Henri.K's new article on the large mystery missile that was test-launched from the 909-class weapon test ship last year.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/asroc-mdcn-nouveau-missile-antiaerien-ou-hq-26#ViewPollResults

A few key points:

- The mystery missile appears to be about 420mm to 710mm in diameter (body and booster), and 8.4 to 9m in length.

- He does not believe that this is a super long range naval anti-air missile, since it was revealed by PLA officers during last year's Zhuhai Airshow that the HQ-9B SAM already has a range of "over 200km", which would imply that the HQ-9B or the following upgrades/blocks will be the basis of the naval long range anti-air missile. (And Zhuhai placards also confirm that the HQ-9B features an active radar seeker - so, China doesnt need another SM-6 equivalent on that front)

- It is not a cruise missile, since the 052D's and 055's cruise missiles are actually based on the YJ-18, similiar to the 3M54 Klub land-attack variant.

- It is also not likely to be an ASROC, since, so far, the PLAN seems to relegate their Frigates for ASW duty, and leaving their Destroyers primarily for AAW and ASuW.

- It is likely related to the HQ-26 development; a designation known since 2000 and reportedly being worked on for 10+ years since then; aiming for a Chinese SM-3. Clues, like the recently held contender for a double-pulse solid-fuel 3rd stage "for a certain missile", won by the 4th Academy of CASC, supports that notion that the mystery missile might be a naval ABM weapon. For comparisson, the SM-3 equally features a dual-pulse 3rd stage, the Mk-136 TSRM.


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Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/18/2017 8:41:00 AM)

warship porn 18+ [:)]
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K-560 Severodvinsk show TT



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/19/2017 3:50:59 AM)

CICC (Chinese Institute of Command and Control, or C2) will establish chinawargame.org for the first time of Chinese computer-based wargaming competition. NUDT and AFEI (Armored Force Engineering Institute) will participate.

http://www.c2.org.cn/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=show&catid=23&id=616 (Official Website, Simplified Chinese)
http://military.china.com/news/568/20170218/30264336.html (Simplified Chinese)



kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/19/2017 3:48:51 PM)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/02/19/us-deploys-carrier-contentious-south-china-sea/98126274/

Speaks for itself ...



Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/19/2017 4:13:13 PM)

Ka-52 in Syria with "Vikhr" missile
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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/19/2017 4:26:17 PM)

http://navaltoday.com/2017/02/19/us-navy-carrier-strike-group-starts-south-china-sea-patrol/

"What is more, according to media reports, China is considering maritime law changes that could possibly require foreign ships to obtain China’s permission to enter its waters. Additionally, submarines would likely have to surface while transiting Chinese waters."

Any maritime lawyers out there?

Kevin



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/19/2017 6:17:45 PM)

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Any maritime lawyers out there?

Kevin

Dunno. Maybe time is the judge?

It isn't the first time USN going through, while China wouldn't claim things without backbones either. The question is what kind of achievements both sides wants if they are piling up warships together without any conclusive actions (which means war)? To prove whose steels are superior against corrosion? Or to prove the ocean is as borderless as to do anything they want within power?

With such of rivaling oddity, it's very difficult to 'judge' what counties should do or not at sea by papers or words.



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/19/2017 8:58:21 PM)

http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2016/02/chinese-yuan-submarines-to-use-lithium.html

Interesting, albeit older article, about the 2nd batch of Yuan-class SSK using lithium ion batteries, replacing their earlier lead-acid batteries.



redcoat -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/20/2017 12:49:31 PM)


Saudi frigate probably hit by 'drone' boat:

http://navaltoday.com/2017/02/20/houthi-suicide-boats-used-in-saudi-frigate-attack-were-drones-us-navy-official-says/

This makes sense because the Houthis have not carried out suicide attacks before.



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/20/2017 2:14:07 PM)

Chinese LCS, with IEPS and similiar weapons as the 4000 tonne Type 054A (and with one helicopter more!).

http://www.janes.com/article/67930/idex-2017-chinese-navy-to-acquire-new-trimaran-hull-frigate

IDEX 2017: Chinese Navy to acquire new trimaran hull frigate

Richard D Fisher Jr, Abu Dhabi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
20 February 2017

The China Shipbuilding Trading Corporation (CSSC) has revealed a new trimaran-hulled frigate concept at the IDEX show held in Abu Dhabi, telling Jane's that a version was being built for China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

The specifications provided by CSSC for the trimaran vessel state that it displaces 2,450 tonnes, has a length of 142 m, a width of 32.6 m, a cruising speed of 25 kt, and an endurance of 30 days. A CSSC official added that its top speed is between 30-35 kt and that it has a crew of more than 100.

CSSC officials said the vessel uses diesel engines that power a "marine electric propulsion system" that in turn drive three pump jets. It does not have a secondary propeller propulsion system.

Although lighter than China's Type 054A frigate, the trimaran carries a similar armament of one 76 mm main gun, vertical launch tubes for 16 or 32 missiles, eight anti-ship missile launchers, two close-in weapon systems, and hangar space for two helicopters.

CSSC also revealed a concept for a 700 tonne derivative of the PLAN's Type 022 catamaran fast attack craft (FAC). It is armed with a 76 mm gun and four anti-ship missile launchers. CSSC officials said the PLAN has so far shown no interest in this version and there are no plans to build it.

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hellfish6 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/20/2017 3:43:00 PM)

It's embarrassing that China has taken our two LCS designs (maybe it's a stretch to consider the Type 054A as similar to the Freedom-class LCS design) and made them actually relevant to maritime warfare.



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/20/2017 3:49:04 PM)

I pressume that the hull design was already tested with the PLAN trimaran rescue ship.

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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/21/2017 5:06:16 PM)

Better pictures showing the J-20 carrying 4x2400 litre drop tanks. Seems to be new built ones as well, with transit loadouts for delivery to the FTTC regiment.


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As of evidence of why I think they are 2400 litre tanks and not 1700 litre tanks (as depicted in the DB3K), following official advertizement for the FC-31 states that similiar droptanks are 2.4k litre.

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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/21/2017 10:44:33 PM)

Bit old, but still quite interesting. Looks like the GF-4 wont be the last GSO optical spy satellite:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-09/01/c_135651581.htm

China researches high resolution imaging from high orbit
Source: Xinhua 2016-09-01 15:04:18

CHANGCHUN, Sept. 1 (Xinhua) -- Chinese researchers are confident of making technological breakthroughs over the next four years in developing high resolution imaging that can see car-sized objects on the earth from high orbit.

Researchers at the Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics (CIOMP) are studying camera technologies suited for satellites 36,000 kilometers away from earth, with significant government support.

The CIOMP plan aims to achieve an optical resolution of 2.5 meters for the camera. This is the equivalent of seeing a hair clearly from 800 meters away.

The technologies being researched will enable cameras to operate on satellites in high orbit, known as geostationary orbit, allowing the cameras to appear stationary in the sky and view the same point on earth continuously.

China already has high-resolution imaging in space, but at a lower orbit of about several hundred kilometers away from earth. Low-orbiting satellites constantly move around the earth and can only take snapshots of the earth as they fly.

Based on its considerable experience in the area, CIOMP is confident of completing the research by the end of 2020, said CIOMP deputy head Zhang Xuejun.



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 2:49:20 AM)

Russian MoD claimed the new ASM delivery to China has been established, but yet to disclose the type(s) of missile.

Also I just noticed the Kh-59MK missile from this report, Russia sold 200 of these to China since 2008.

http://tass.com/defense/932131
http://3g.china.com/act/military/11132797/20170222/30273700.html (Simplified Chinese)

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/04/14/chinas-plan-received-about-200-kh-59mk-anti-ship-missiles-for-su-30mk2-by-end-2015/ (With missile specification)




tomrlutong2 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 3:32:23 AM)

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Chinese researchers are confident of making technological breakthroughs over the next four years in developing high resolution imaging that can see car-sized objects on the earth from high orbit


Folding mirrors? I don't see how else you get something with that resolution to fit in a rocket fairing. Reminds me of NASA's JWIST and the story after Hubble was for every one the astronomers got looking up, the spies got three looking down.

Also worth noting that optics resolving 2.5 meters at 36000 kilometers are a nice step on the way to space-based ASAT--and maybe someday ABM--laser.



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 4:11:11 AM)

Speaking of laser. Janes wrote an article about China's LASS (counterpart of LaWS) specification:

http://www.janes.com/article/67935/idex-2017-poly-reveals-silent-hunter-fibre-optic-laser-system

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IDEX 2017: Poly reveals Silent Hunter fibre-optic laser system

Richard D Fisher Jr, Abu Dhabi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly 20 February 2017

China's Poly Technologies defence marketing company has used the IDEX show held in Abu Dhabi from 19-23 February to reveal its Silent Hunter fibre-optic laser air defence system.

Poly officials told Jane's that the system was used to help defend the 4-5 September 2016 G-20 Summit in Hangzhou, China, and is a more advanced version of its Low Altitude Laser Defending System (LASS) that was displayed later that month at the AAD defence show in South Africa.

According to its brochure, LASS has a maximum power of 30 kw and a range of 4,000 m. A Poly official said the Silent Hunter is capable of power levels greater than 30 kw, but fewer than 100 kw.

Whereas LASS is designed to defend against large numbers of slow unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), Silent Hunter's laser is credited with being able to penetrate five layers of 2 mm steel at 800 m, or 5 mm of steel at 1,000 m.

Poly is in the process of integrating a mm-wave radar to supplement its infrared and optical search and track system.

While Silent Hunter is not able to defend against mortar shells or other small artillery, Poly officials said they are developing more powerful versions as well as a version for naval applications.

In its fixed and mobile versions, Silent Hunter comprises a separate medium-truck size power unit and a similar sized equipment unit for the laser. Poly officials said that Silent Hunter is too heavy to develop into an airborne laser as currently configured.

The officials added that potential foreign customers are showing active interest in the system, although there have been no orders as yet.



redcoat -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 10:42:35 AM)


Hezbollah may have been able to smuggle some 'Yakhont' missiles into Lebanon:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4924392,00.html



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 11:58:49 AM)

More from IDEX2017:

DEX 2017: China unveils MSS-01 Mobile Submarine Simulator and decoy

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Richard D Fisher Jr, Abu Dhabi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

22 February 2017

The China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Corporation (CSOC) used the 2017 IDEX show in Abu Dhabi to reveal its new MSS-01 Mobile Submarine Simulator.

The simulator, which also serves as a decoy, is in service with the Chinese navy according to a company official.

The MSS-1 is described as a "self-propelled underwater acoustic countermeasure designed for ASW [anti-submarine warfare] engagement and training scenarios". It uses "high fidelity simulation of submarine radiated noise" and "echo repeat while receiving" it can deceive "sonar, acoustic homing torpedoes, and wire-guided acoustic homing torpedoes".

With a length of 5,500 mm, a 533.4 mm diameter, and a weight of 1,100 kg, it is launched from a torpedo tube and can be recovered when in training mode. It has a speed of 10-15 kt, an operating depth of 10-300 m, and an endurance of 100 minutes at 10 kt or 45 minutes at 15 kt.



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 1:01:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tomrlutong2

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Chinese researchers are confident of making technological breakthroughs over the next four years in developing high resolution imaging that can see car-sized objects on the earth from high orbit


Folding mirrors? I don't see how else you get something with that resolution to fit in a rocket fairing. Reminds me of NASA's JWIST and the story after Hubble was for every one the astronomers got looking up, the spies got three looking down.

Also worth noting that optics resolving 2.5 meters at 36000 kilometers are a nice step on the way to space-based ASAT--and maybe someday ABM--laser.


Yeah, either folding mirrors (there is a research paper on that)

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Or something akin to the Sino-Hubble that they will launch to orbit later this year.

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Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 3:32:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hellfish6

It's embarrassing that China has taken our two LCS designs (maybe it's a stretch to consider the Type 054A as similar to the Freedom-class LCS design) and made them actually relevant to maritime warfare.

Well, 054 series is based on French Lafayette, earlier than LCS project. However, US shipbuilding does have a very potential designe, the Legend-class cutter.

It's for USCG, but the hull itself have a great resemblance of a modern frigate, and could be a great platform if militarized.

Speaking of the speed of the Chinese Trimaran Frigate for export, it stated only 35kts on top speed, which is slower than the LCS-2's flank (50kts). It is indeed bigger and only powered by diesel engines to have the sub-standard speed, unlike both LCS-1 and 2 are powered with gas turbines. The intended design is a combat-capable, task-group dedicated frontliner rather than as an utility combat platform, that require huge speed for chasing subs, speedboats as well as the rapid deployment at hostile shoreline.



kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 4:11:06 PM)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-southchinasea-exclusive-idUSKBN161029

China finishing South China Sea buildings that could house missiles - U.S. officials

"Building the concrete structures with retractable roofs on Subi, Mischief and Fiery Cross reefs, part of the Spratly Islands chain where China already has built military-length airstrips, could be considered a military escalation, the U.S. officials said in recent days, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"It is not like the Chinese to build anything in the South China Sea just to build it, and these structures resemble others that house SAM batteries, so the logical conclusion is that's what they are for," said a U.S. intelligence official, referring to surface-to-air missiles."



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 4:18:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

"It is not like the Chinese to build anything in the South China Sea just to build it, and these structures resemble others that house SAM batteries, so the logical conclusion is that's what they are for," said a U.S. intelligence official, referring to surface-to-air missiles."

What is the point? Even for hiding missiles, why not using underground silos instead?



kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 4:50:39 PM)


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What is the point? Even for hiding missiles, why not using underground silos instead?


Cost? Time? Weather Proof/salt water corrosion? Geology? Maybe one or all 4.

Kevin



mikmykWS -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/22/2017 5:31:31 PM)

Yeah not much to those atolls and you get a good storm they'll flood.

I wouldn't want to be a marine stationed there. Digging in wouldn't even help as the terrain is pretty helpless to protect from nature never mind a guided weapon.

Mike



Rongor -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/23/2017 12:25:41 AM)

I guess this analysis brought by CIMSEC may be of interest...
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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/23/2017 2:35:58 AM)

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I wouldn't want to be a marine stationed there.


With the pace of technology, I wonder if the SAMs could be ever be remotely controlled?

A2AD from afar ... it's coming. And scary based on the low costs involved.

Kevin



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/23/2017 2:44:30 AM)

Like I said many times, it could be a ruse.

It just don't make sense for hiding SAM inside a building, for stationary point and area defenses, mounting on building externally have more flexibility to redeploy and reload than inside of it. And the island itself isn't too small for mobilization.

As for the troops garrison, they have reasons to be here. Not just for guarding missiles, but also for sea control, as they take part-time with coast guard operations.



kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (2/23/2017 3:51:55 AM)

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ruse


Yes, the essence of maneuver warfare and geopolitics. When a move is played on a "chess board" between strong players that appears incongruent is causes hesitation and expenditures of time and energy on less fruitful areas of the "board". This board we are discussing is not purely military and involves public opinion and budgets.China and Russia are becoming masters at this since they have come to understand how even minor actions of their part sends massive ripples through the chambers of DC. Papers fly. Jobs on the line.

Kevin



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