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Max 86 -> NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/11/2015 8:17:43 PM)
From the first article the NY Times published on the dude with the funny mustache: "But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes" http://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler WOW! [&:]

parusski -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/11/2015 9:55:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Max 86 From the first article the NY Times published on the dude with the funny mustache: "But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes" http://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler WOW! [&:] LOL, I did not realize the NYT's penchant for being blind to radicals like this went back so far. Great find.

warspite1 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/12/2015 2:40:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Max 86 From the first article the NY Times published on the dude with the funny mustache: "But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes" http://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler WOW! [&:] warspite1 Maybe the article was written by an anti-semite, maybe the writer was a willing pawn, or maybe - like many others of the time (and even later) - he genuinely believed that Hitler was a force for the good who would bring order back to a defeated Germany. The article looks really bad now because of what we know, but a great many people were taken in weren't they - Germans as well as foreigners? Hitler was very good at telling people what they wanted to hear - ask Neville Chamberlain or Josef Stalin - and his PR department was pretty good too. I wonder how many other papers and articles were written in the western media in the 1920's and even 1930's that were sympathetic - or at least neutral to this man and his party? I suspect more than we would like to think.....

Qwixt -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/12/2015 3:37:47 AM)
Hindsight sure does help.

Aurelian -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/12/2015 5:02:31 AM)
He did make Time's Man of the Year in 1938.....

t001001001 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/12/2015 1:56:25 PM)
bah Hitler was a JV player. Or maybe not.. oops..

TulliusDetritus -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/12/2015 3:52:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Max 86 "But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed .........." http://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler WOW! [&:] [sm=00000280.gif][sm=00000280.gif] Anyway this is 1922. Hitler was only the boss of a small ultra-right movement. and there were tons in Germany. And after all, let's not forget that almost everyone (even among the left parties) was anti-semitic, racist. And I am talking about Germany, the UK, France, the US etc etc. That was a normal thing back in the 20s. Post 1945, yes, those ideas sound strident (well, not everywhere, but that's politics) but before that date... [;)]

barkman44 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/12/2015 9:20:40 PM)
If Hitler had died in 1938 he probably would have gone down as the greatest german statesman since Bismarck.

Max 86 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 12:42:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barkorn45 If Hitler had died in 1938 he probably would have gone down as the greatest german statesman since Bismarck. Very interesting perspective. Also of note, AH was sent to prison two years later in April of 1924 after the failed "Beer Hall Putsch"

Max 86 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 12:49:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: t001001001 bah Hitler was a JV player. Or maybe not.. oops.. Shame on you. [:D]

Aurelian -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 1:54:47 AM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKQf9p5jg&feature=player_embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpYQJkBQp0

Fallschirmjager -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 1:56:28 AM)
The NYT runs dozens of articles a day 365 days a year. I am sure there are 1000s of radicals profiled over the years that ended up having almost no effect on history. They got this one very wrong, that does not cast a shadow on every article they have ever run however.

Ranger33 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 2:35:15 AM)
Just look at the Spanish Civil War. Even when the Germans were making great strides in the field of intentionally bombing civilians, there was plenty of tangible support for fascism among American businesses and politicians. Which isn't really surprising.

warspite1 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 6:53:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKQf9p5jg&feature=player_embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpYQJkBQp0 warspite1 Great to hear The Hitler Rap again after all these years [&o] Very, very funny. Shame you can't get it on itunes - political correctness no doubt [8\|]

Cataphract88 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 11:42:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKQf9p5jg&feature=player_embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpYQJkBQp0 Very funny.

Aurelian -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 7:50:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKQf9p5jg&feature=player_embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpYQJkBQp0 warspite1 Great to hear The Hitler Rap again after all these years [&o] Very, very funny. Shame you can't get it on itunes - political correctness no doubt [8\|] Here's another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw

Aurelian -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 7:50:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cataphract88 quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKQf9p5jg&feature=player_embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpYQJkBQp0 Very funny. Thought we could use a little humor :)

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/13/2015 11:31:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Max 86 From the first article the NY Times published on the dude with the funny mustache: "But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes" http://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler WOW! [&:] LOL, I did not realize the NYT's penchant for being blind to radicals like this went back so far. Great find. Ah yes. The ny times sure loves the fundemental transformers of nations. Here is a nice piece about another radical, sean penn, and his hero. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/04/world/americas/04venez.html Today, amid huge shortages, the bolivar slipped to 170 per dollar. Since there is hardly anything on the store shelves, including toilet paper, it might be more viable for Venezuelans to use the bolivar, or that other useless paper, the ny times. They hoped and it changed. Here is a nice ad in the ny times rag of their current radical maduro. Ah, the virtues of the low info voter/subscriber. [image]local://upfiles/21148/E0C1D3F6498F475E9EC2D2BA1E84BFB2.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: NY Times underestimate Hitler in 1922 (2/14/2015 11:23:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian quote: ORIGINAL: cataphract88 quote: ORIGINAL: Aurelian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKQf9p5jg&feature=player_embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpYQJkBQp0 Very funny. Thought we could use a little humor :) warspite1 Clever lyrics, a decent toon and an all round excellent video too [:)].

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