RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941.

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Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/9/2015 2:12:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karaganov Further The fourth part of map - Western piece (Ortelsburg, Pultusk, Warszawa, Radom) The fifth part of map - Eastern piece (Minsk, Slutsk, Zhitkovichi ... ??? The sixth part of map - Northen piece (Rustenburg, Suwalki, Radoshkovichi... ???) By the way Hitler's headquarters was in Wolfsschanze. It was near Rustenburg (Rastenburg). Will you implement this???

AlbertN -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/9/2015 4:00:22 PM)
I believe the good part of the map is that actually mirrors the WW2 armies better with the bunch of troops being infantry and not tanks!

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 6:22:43 AM)
Karaganov Some screens for the Western Front Scenario from the archives of H.Balck! 1. Deployment zone of german 4th tank division (22nd June 1941) [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085203/Deploymentzoneofgerman4thtankdivision22ndJune1941.jpg[/image] 2. 2nd soviet line (mostly 13th reserve army) at Minsk (26th,27th June 1941) [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085191/2ndsovietlineatMinsk.jpg[/image]

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 6:33:35 AM)
3. OKH map from 25th June 1941 http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29085221/LageOst25Jun41_lg.jpg.html 4. good soviet map for the 22nd June deployments - but there are some wrong positions included ! http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29085267/karta2.jpg.html

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 6:45:58 AM)
5. Osome Brest pics [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085274/bl23.jpg[/image] [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085276/brest_ger1.jpg[/image] [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085277/brest_panorama.jpg[/image] [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085279/brest_rus41.jpg[/image] [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085282/brest_rus41s.jpg[/image] [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085286/cart3.jpg[/image]

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 6:59:42 AM)
6. Soviet 4th Army 23rd and 24th June 1941 [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085300/4A_June_23_24_41.jpg[/image] 7. deployments of the german 3rd tank divsion (22nd June 1941) [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085306/Dploiementdela3.PanzerDivisionle21juin1941.jpg[/image]

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 7:02:22 AM)
8. Fortified zone WF 41 (Bunker Group north of Brest) MG-Batl. [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085312/Fortified_zone_WF_41.jpg[/image]

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 7:06:36 AM)
9. good soviet map for the deploments of the 11th army. [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29085328/pribovo.jpg[/image]

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 7:18:22 AM)
Karaganov H.Balck wrote: I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius. The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi. They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think !

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 7:19:20 AM)
Karaganov about new map It would be good to portray the system of Soviet fortifications along the line of the -Neman-Shara-Yaselda. I think it would be logical.

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 9:29:02 AM)
The list of artillery of the Red Army - June 1941 37-mm AT-Gun Model 1930 (K-1) - negligible quantity 37-mm AT-Gun Model 1934 (Bofors) - several hundreds of Polish guns 45-mm AT-Gun Model 1937 (53-K) - 15682 guns (including Model 1932) 47-mm AT-Gun Bohler Model 1935 - negligible quantity 76.2-mm Regimental Gun Model 1927 - 4768 guns 76.2-mm Mountain Gun Model 1909 - 653 guns 76.2-mm Mountain Gun Model 1938 - 1068 guns 76.2-mm Divisional Gun Model 1902/1930 - 4356 guns 76.2-mm Divisional Gun Model 1936 (F-22) - 3041 guns 76.2-mm Divisional Gun Model 1939 (F-22 USV) - 1153 guns 107-mm Divisional Gun Model 1940 (M-60) - 137 guns 107-mm Field Gun Model 1910/1930 - 828 guns 122-mm Field Howitzer Model 1909/1930 - 881 guns 122-mm Field Howitzer Model 1910/1930 - 5578 guns 122-mm Field Howitzer Model 1938 (M-30) - 1667 guns 122-mm Field Gun Model 1937 (A-19) - 1257 guns (including Model 1931) 152-mm Field Howitzer Model 1909/1930 - 2432 guns 152-mm Field Howitzer Model 1910/1937 - negligible quantity 152-mm Howitzer Model 1910/1934 (M-10) - 275 pcs 152-mm Howitzer Model 1938 (M-10) - 1128 pcs 152-mm Howitzer Model 1937 (ML-20) - 3123 pcs 152-mm Mortar Model 1931 (NM) - 51 guns 152-mm Heavy Gun Model 1910/1930 - 121 guns 152-mm Heavy Gun Model 1935 (BR-2) - 37 guns 203.3-mm Heavy Howitzer Model 1931 (B-4) - 886 guns 210-mm Heavy Gun Model 1939 (BR-17) 9 guns 280-mm Heavy Mortar Schneider Model 1914/1915 - 25 guns 280-mm Heavy Mortar Model 1939 (BR-5) - 72 guns 305-mm Heavy Howitzer Model 1915 - 34 guns Heavy coast artillery 130 mm coastal artillery system - 601 guns 152-mm coastal artillery system - 247 guns 180 mm coastal artillery system - 81 systems (it were options towers with one, two or three guns) 203 mm coastal artillery system - 33 systems (it were options towers with one or two guns) 254 mm coastal artillery system - 7 guns 305 mm coastal artillery system - 36 systems (it were options towers with one, two or three guns)

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 9:36:41 AM)
The list of heavy mortars of the Red Army heavy - June 1941 107-mm Mountain Mortar Model 1938 (PBHM 38) - 1354 mortars 120-mm Mortar Model 1938 (PM38) -3665 mortars The list of anti-aircraft guns of the Red Army - June 1941 20-mm Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun Oerlikon - several hundred pcs (the Red Army received it from the Baltic republics) 25-mm Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun (72-K) - began to arrive for the Red Army service in the autumn of 1941 37-mm Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun Model 1939 (61-K) - 1382 guns 76.2-mm Semi-Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun Model 1931/1938 (3-K) - 5312 guns 85-mm Anti-Aircraft Gun Model 1939 (52-K) - 3082 guns

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 12:04:41 PM)
The list of ships of Pinsk River Flotilla - June 1941 Home Base - ПИНСК (PINSK) River Monitor - ВИТЕБСК River Monitor - ЖИТОМИР River Monitor - БОБРУЙСК River Monitor - СМОЛЕНСК River Monitor - ВИННИЦА River Monitor - ЛЕВАЧЕВ River Monitor - ФЛЯГИН Patrol Ship - ПУШКИН Gunboat - ТРУДОВОЙ Gunboat - ПЕРЕДОВОЙ Gunboat - ВЕРНЫЙ Gunboat - СМОЛЬНЫЙ Gunboat - БЕЛОРУС Armored Boat - БКА №41 Armored Boat - БКА №42 Armored Boat - БКА №43 Armored Boat - БКА №44 Armored Boat - БКА №45 Armored Boat - БКА №51 Armored Boat - БКА №52 Armored Boat - БКА №53 Armored Boat - БКА №54 Boat-Minesweeper - №1 Boat-Minesweeper - №2 Boat-Minesweeper - №3 Boat-Minesweeper - №4 Boat-Minesweeper - №5 Minelayer - ПИНА Floating Dock - УДАРНИК Floating Dock - БЕЛОРУССИЯ Patrol Ship - БУГ ??? Patrol Ship - ПРИПЯТЬ ??? Gun Coastal Artillery - 78 pcs Battalions of coastal defense - ??? Battalions of naval infantry - ???

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 5:16:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman after 70 moves The new line of defense http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058000/screen-033.jpg http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058003/screen-034.jpg http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058007/screen-035.jpg I think you made a mistake, refusing to so deeply. In my opinion the first line of defense should take place by the river Churyuk-Su (Чурюк-Су).

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 5:21:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman after 70 moves In my opinion it is a gross mistake of the opponent. He managed to concentrate a lot of troops on the narrow Arabat Spit. I hope that my aircrafts and ships of the Azov flotilla will create many problems for him. http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29057884/screen-029.jpg http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29057885/screen-030.jpg I am also surprised that almost everyone who plays for Germany trying to break through on Arabat Spit

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 5:23:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: R35 Btw, looking at the pics I wonder if certain unit types shouldn`t be present in less numbers or at all. For example: 105 mm (4.13 in) leFH 18/3 auf Gw B-1/B-2 740(f) - only 13 were produced so I wonder if it justifies having two full strength units on the same map. http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/char_B1_bis.php ADGZ - the Austrians only made 27 of them and the Germans another 25 starting with 1942, but they seem to have been mostly used in the Balkans for security operations: http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Austrian_ADGZ.php The Romanian OA vz.30 - in March 1939 9 Czechoslovak OA vz.30 crossed the border into Romania, but there is no evidence that they were ever used in combat (as opposed to security of industrial sites in the country), let alone of any use on the eastern front. I guess it all depends on how much variety and liberty of action you want to enable on this scenario. That is all right, but I deliberately went to such a move, in order to diversify the composition units on the map.

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 5:41:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman Karaganov about new map It would be good to portray the system of Soviet fortifications along the line of the -Neman-Shara-Yaselda. I think it would be logical. Most likely, I will do it, but later Goga also asked me about it

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 5:55:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman Karaganov H.Balck wrote: I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius. The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi. They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think ! Stop guys The 11th Army is the North-Western Front [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089842/page7.jpg[/image] [image]http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089857/page8.jpg[/image] If you want to implement the counter-attack from the north, it will be possible to use scripts This would be possible if we will draw two big maps !!! 1. From Riga to the Pripet Marshes. 2. From the Pripet Marshes to the Black Sea. But it will be overly ambitious project... And we never know like all will end...

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 6:03:06 PM)
Guys! Help is needed! These files need be translated from Russian into English https://www.sendspace.com/file/teydox https://www.sendspace.com/file/d5hi3x I am not sure that I will find the time to do it

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/10/2015 6:10:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman The list of artillery of the Red Army - June 1941 Good work! Can you make a similar list of the number of combat aircraft of the Red Army in June 1941?

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/11/2015 4:58:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karaganov quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman Karaganov H.Balck wrote: I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius. The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi. They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think ! Stop guys The 11th Army is the North-Western Front http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089842/page7.jpg http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089857/page8.jpg If you want to implement the counter-attack from the north, it will be possible to use scripts This would be possible if we will draw two big maps !!! 1. From Riga to the Pripet Marshes. 2. From the Pripet Marshes to the Black Sea. But it will be overly ambitious project... And we never know like all will end... Karaganov H.Balck wrote: Parts of the 11th soviet army (3 divisions) fight on the first 3 days against tank group Hoth !!! Without Hoths tanks you can show the german operations on map. I think it would be enough to set the map to 50 km south of Vilnius.

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/11/2015 10:03:18 AM)
Karaganov No problem, please The list of combat aircrafts of the Red Army - June 1941 Polikarpov I-15 - 707 aircrafts Polikarpov I-15BIS - 524 aircrafts Polikarpov I-153 - 2893 aircrafts Polikarpov I-16 - 4262 aircrafts Kochergin Di-6 - 71 aircrafts Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3 - 1300 aircrafts (including MiG-1) Lavochkin-Gudkov-Gorbunov LAGG-3 - 322 aircrafts Yakovlev Yak-1 - 425 aircrafts Polikarpov I-5 - 36 aircrafts Polikarpov R-5 - 317 aircrafts (including R-5SSS) Polikarpov P-Z - 292 aircrafts Tupolev R-6 - 22 aircrafts Neman R-10 - 119 aircrafts Polikarpov U-2 (Po-2) - more than 3500 aircrafts Beriev Kor-1 (Be-2) - 12 aircrafts Beriev MBR-2 - 761 aircrafts Chetverikov MDR-6 (Che-2) - 11 aircrafts Tupolev SB-2 - 3714 aircrafts Arkhangelskiy Ar-2 - 170 aircrafts Yakovlev Yak-2 - 85 aircrafts Yakovlev Yak-4 - 36 aircrafts Iljushin Il-2 - 244 aircrafts Sukhoy Su-2 - 327 aircrafts Petlyakov Pe-2 - 460 aircrafts Petlyakov Pe-3 - the first batch of aircrafts entered service in the autumn 1941 Iljushin DB-3 - 1099 aircrafts Iljushin DB-3A - 117 aircrafts Iljushin DB-3F (Il-4) - 987 aircrafts Yermolayev Er-2 - about 70 aircrafts entered service in the summer of 1941 Tupolev TB-1 - 11 aircrafts Tupolev TB-3 - 364 aircrafts Tupolev TB-7 (Petlyakov Pe-8) - 9 aircrafts (29 - according to some reports)

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/11/2015 12:29:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman quote: ORIGINAL: Karaganov quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman Karaganov H.Balck wrote: I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius. The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi. They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think ! Stop guys The 11th Army is the North-Western Front http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089842/page7.jpg http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089857/page8.jpg If you want to implement the counter-attack from the north, it will be possible to use scripts This would be possible if we will draw two big maps !!! 1. From Riga to the Pripet Marshes. 2. From the Pripet Marshes to the Black Sea. But it will be overly ambitious project... And we never know like all will end... Karaganov H.Balck wrote: Parts of the 11th soviet army (3 divisions) fight on the first 3 days against tank group Hoth !!! Without Hoths tanks you can show the german operations on map. I think it would be enough to set the map to 50 km south of Vilnius. 40-50 kilometers south of Vilno, is not a problem. It is a little to the north of our line. Then the new line will be - Angerburg, Orany, Krasnoye, Borisov. In any case, we have enough time to coordinate this. Now I began to work with the western piece of map.

Karaganov -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/11/2015 12:31:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman The list of combat aircrafts of the Red Army - June 1941 Cool! Thank you!

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/12/2015 5:51:42 AM)
Karaganov Not thank me It was very interesting to look at these figures for myself also

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/12/2015 7:13:15 AM)
after 83 moves It seems that soon something will begin... The enemy conducts reconnaissance in force all along the front line. http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101966/screen-038.jpg.html http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101975/screen-039.jpg.html http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101978/screen-040.jpg.html http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101981/screen-041.jpg.html http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101982/screen-042.jpg.html http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101984/screen-043.jpg.html Partisans have discovered a large concentration of motorized troops of enemy in the North-West from the village of Sala. It seems that the enemy is planning to to attack across the mountains to the south into the area Sudak. The enemy can break through to the sea, and divide my army into two parts. http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101961/screen-037.jpg.html The last brave defenders of Tenda. But I managed to evacuate most of the troops. http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101968/screen-044.jpg.html

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/12/2015 7:20:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karaganov quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman after 70 moves The new line of defense http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058000/screen-033.jpg http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058003/screen-034.jpg http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058007/screen-035.jpg I think you made a mistake, refusing to so deeply. In my opinion the first line of defense should take place by the river Churyuk-Su (Чурюк-Су). In this case I think that it will be right, if you place a line of fortifications on the river Churyuk-Su

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/12/2015 11:00:15 AM)
The list of tanks of the Red Army - June 1941 Light Tank T-18 - 868(???) tanks Light Tank T-27 - 2343 tanks Light Tank T-37 - 2321 tanks Light Tank T-38 - 1129 tanks Light Tank T-40 - 187 tanks Light Tank T-50 - the first production tanks were shipped to the army in July 1941. Light Tank T-26 (two-towers) - 1261 pcs Light Tank T-26 - 7486 tanks (one-tower, all types) Bridgelayer Tank ST-26 - 57 tanks Light SPG T-26 SU-5 - 28 tanks Flame-thrower Tank OT-26 - 308 tanks Flame-thrower Tank OT-130 - 500 tanks Flame-thrower Tank OT-133 - 327 tanks Light Tank BT-2 - 580 tanks Light Tank BT-5 - 1688 tanks Light Tank BT-7 - 4352 tanks Light Tank BT-7M - 690 tanks Light Tank BT-7A - 117 tanks Light Tank BT-7 (anti-aircraft) - 101 tanks Medium Tank T-28 - 481 tanks Medium Tank T-34-76 - 1030 tanks Medium Tank T-34-57 - small party of tanks was shipped to the army in October 1941. Heavy Tank T-35 - 59 tanks Heavy Tank KV-1 - 445 tanks (all types) Heavy Tank KV-2 - 134 tanks

Brazenman -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/12/2015 2:01:57 PM)
The list of armored cars of the Red Army - June 1941 Light Armored Car D-8-12 - 45 cars Medium Armored Car D-13 - 8 cars Light Armored Car FAI - 428 cars (including FAI-M) Medium Armored Car BAI-M - 79 cars Medium Armored Car BA-3 - 143 cars Medium Armored Car BA-6 - 243 cars Medium Armored Car BA-9 - 2 cars Medium Armored Car BA-10 - 2676 cars Heavy Armored Car BA-11 - 15 cars Light Armored Car BA-20 - 1424 cars Medium Armored Car BA-27 - 193 cars Amphibious Armored Car PB-4 - 2 cars

R35 -> RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. (12/13/2015 1:28:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brazenman The list of tanks of the Red Army - June 1941 Light Tank T-18 - 868(???) tanks The tanks-encyclopedia article says that all were retired either before 1932 or soon afterwords. It also says that about 200 were taken out of depots and upgraded to M standard (with the 45mm gun) and these were the ones that saw action against the Germans. http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_T18.php

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