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HansBolter -> RE: Pilot training kills the game (5/13/2015 4:00:08 PM)

Not certain on your second question as I am not sure if attacks in ASW mode use ASW skill (my assumption) or a high or low nav bombing skill.

Answer to first question is depends. If you are talking about carrier nav bombers, then most definitely YES as they have to do their own air search.

For LBA its not so clear. From my days of playing Uncommon Valor I noticed that squads set to full nav bomb with no percentage setting for search rarely sorties against TFs spotted by other squads operating out of their base...ie... relying on the Catalinas to do the searching.

In response to this I developed a habit of always setting at least 10% nav search for any squad flying nav bombing, even if I have dedicated search aircraft at the base performing that task. They seemed to sortie more often if some one from their own squad spotted the enemy.

Not sure if after years of development the game engine no longer rewards this habit but I still do it.



obvert -> RE: Pilot training kills the game (5/13/2015 6:36:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Vitelski

A couple of questions:

Is it necessary for a naval bomber squadron to have both naval bombing and nav search to be effective?

Is it necessary for an ASW squadron to have all three of nav search, nav bombing and ASW to be useful for the ASW mission?




I have a pool of pilots that have different sets of skills. Some have just naval search. Some have naval search and ASW. Some have low naval and naval search. Some all three. I can then decide if I want these skills at any point, but I think from all of the advice I've seen from devs, nav bombing is not needed in ASW. Only ASW skill. Search with naval bombing (or low naval, depending on where you fly them) can increase the chance of hit during the search phase.

For low naval with Beaufighters and things like that I have a group of Aussie pilots trained in low naval and strafing, and a group in low ground and strafing. I just change them out when I need to. I'll of course also have a selection with exp, good air skill, defensive and strafing for escort, CAP and sweep roles.

It's pretty easy to switch out a whole group of pilots based on mission and I don't worry anymore about training all of these skills in one pilot except for CV based TB pilots. They get the works and they're still training on board the CVs once they're installed and already have 60-70 exp. [:)]




rustysi -> RE: Pilot training kills the game (5/13/2015 9:44:19 PM)

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A couple of questions:

Is it necessary for a naval bomber squadron to have both naval bombing and nav search to be effective?

Is it necessary for an ASW squadron to have all three of nav search, nav bombing and ASW to be useful for the ASW mission?


I don't believe so on either account, but keep in mind something has to be searching in order to bring detection levels up. Some players set their units to do two things. Like 40% nav search, 40% ASW and the like. In that case you'd want those skills brought up by training. I ususlly have say Jakes searching and Nells doing ASW, only need to train one skill each for such units. Seems to work OK. I play against the AI so I look occasionally to see if my tactics work. I see some subs being hit by 250kg bombs and that's what Nells drop so its working , at least somewhat. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will jump in and set me striaght. Also I'm sure there are other methods and tactics that are possible. Hope this helps some.[8D]



jmalter -> RE: Pilot training kills the game (5/14/2015 12:05:50 AM)

hi Vitelski,
the game's big enough, we can all play our different 'styles', & defend/denigrate them (& the game) here on the forum!

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ORIGINAL: Vitelski
Is it necessary for a naval bomber squadron to have both naval bombing and nav search to be effective?


Depends on the tactical situation. If a group is depending on other units to find targets, it works best if they are at the same base - if at different bases, the relative speeds, distances & weather come into play. Some situations, like DB groups on CVs, are often doing their own Search (20-30%) & will need both NavB & NavS skill.
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Is it necessary for an ASW squadron to have all three of nav search, nav bombing and ASW to be useful for the ASW mission?

I believe ASW is its own, self-contained skill-set & pilots don't need NavB/NavS to be effective in the ASW role.



wneumann -> RE: Pilot training kills the game (5/14/2015 2:10:32 PM)

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Is it necessary for a naval bomber squadron to have both naval bombing and nav search to be effective?

Not absolutely required but training in both skills can be very helpful.



kbfchicago -> RE: Pilot training kills the game (5/16/2015 3:01:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Vitelski

A couple of questions:

Is it necessary for a naval bomber squadron to have both naval bombing and nav search to be effective?

Is it necessary for an ASW squadron to have all three of nav search, nav bombing and ASW to be useful for the ASW mission?



As noted above, depends. Folks tend to get lost in all the options game play allows, there is seldom "one" right or best way.

For how I approach CV air sqdns & missions, answer to #1 is yes (for TBs), no for #2.

Playing either IJN or Allied for CV air units I train TB's in Torpedo attack, Search, Naval attack (in that order of priority). DBs in Naval Attack, Search. Float support planes in Search, ASW

For IJN my search aircraft of choice are the TBs, longer range, with 30-50% on search (Nav (Torp) Attk mission). Put the DBs on secondary arcs or more likely leave on "Nav Attk" only. So I tend to train less search for DBs.

I tend not to focus on ASW for CV based AC. Search will expose them (subs), raising detection, avoiding attack. You don't sink much (especially early on) with airborne ASW anyway. While not a complete waste of time, in my book its a luxury item for experienced sqdns chilling while the CV is in refit.

While I may be luck'ier than your average moose, this seems to have worked for me, I also tend not to linger CV TFs in shipping lanes or too close to major ports if I can help it. No science, but I think more successful in PBEM vs AI... darn AI seems to get inside my head on occasion (or reads my turn [&:] )

You may find a completely different approach supports you play style better... The one sure thing is...if you can't find'em, you can't sink'em.



Treetop64 -> RE: Pilot training kills the game (5/17/2015 6:10:27 PM)

Lol, so he changed the title of his thread. No less dramatic, tho.

We still like pilot training, na-nanaa-nanaa-naaaa!



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