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goulash -> Should I play yet (5/11/2015 9:37:03 PM)

I asked this question a while ago and some people suggested I wait a little longer to start the main campaign as they were bugs that only experienced people would be able to get around.

Is the game solo playable yet without a total noob potentially running into bugs that would baffle him?

Do I need to wait longer?

I keep hearing netplay this or AI that but all I want is a stable single player experience. I can wait for the other things but at the moment, I feel like the £120 spent on this game is almost alpha backer status :(

SOMEONE, PLEASE RE-ASSURE ME I can start a main game without too many problems? (without lying of course)



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Should I play yet (5/11/2015 9:46:09 PM)

I still have not purchased the game, but think I will if it goes on sale (those weekly Matrix sale events). Things have progressed enough where I think I can get a lot of use from it, and Netplay is being focused on now, which really makes me happy about the future of this game.



rkr1958 -> RE: Should I play yet (5/11/2015 10:51:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: goulash

I asked this question a while ago and some people suggested I wait a little longer to start the main campaign as they were bugs that only experienced people would be able to get around.

Is the game solo playable yet without a total noob potentially running into bugs that would baffle him?
Yes, if you're willing to put in the time to learn game (rules and strategy) and the mechanics of MWiF.

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ORIGINAL: goulash

Do I need to wait longer?

No, provided you're willing to put in the time necessary to learn the game and the mechanics of MWiF. I know, I repeated myself but I really want to stress that point.

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ORIGINAL: goulash
I keep hearing netplay this or AI that but all I want is a stable single player experience. I can wait for the other things but at the moment, I feel like the £120 spent on this game is almost alpha backer status :(

SOMEONE, PLEASE RE-ASSURE ME I can start a main game without too many problems? (without lying of course)
I play the global war scenario and enjoy the game immensely. For me, and I've been playing wargames since 1972, it's the most realistic and pleasurable wargaming experience of my life, bar none (board or computer game). I purchased MWiF back in February of last year (2014) and had no prior WiF experience. For me this game is addictive, even in solitary play. I just love it.

Now I don't know what constitutes "too many problems" for you. You will experience the occasional crash, which occurs much less frequently than a year ago. I'd estimate that I see a crash maybe once every 50 or more hours of gaming time. The upside to MWiF is that there are a lot of autosaves. This means its relatively easy to go back to a save before the crash and pick up the game. But honestly, you're much more likely to re-load from autosaves because you forgot to do something (e.g., declare war, move units in Africa) than from game crashes.

Also, with respect to "too many problems", if you don't put the time in to properly learn MWiF then you'll likely become frustrated. Mastering playing MWiF is not for the faint of heart. I mean mechanics wise, rule wise and strategy wise. But if you're looking for the most addictive, most rich and most historical strategic level simulation (uh ... I mean game) of WW-2 then MWiF is it ... PERIOD!



bo -> RE: Should I play yet (5/12/2015 1:27:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: goulash

I asked this question a while ago and some people suggested I wait a little longer to start the main campaign as they were bugs that only experienced people would be able to get around.

Is the game solo playable yet without a total noob potentially running into bugs that would baffle him?

Do I need to wait longer?

I keep hearing netplay this or AI that but all I want is a stable single player experience. I can wait for the other things but at the moment, I feel like the £120 spent on this game is almost alpha backer status :(

SOMEONE, PLEASE RE-ASSURE ME I can start a main game without too many problems? (without lying of course)


My supreme Matrix title forbids me to lie goulash. [:(] rkr did a very good job of explaining the situation to you. I have no monetary interest in whether you buy the game or not. Nobody was more concerned about this release date in Nov 2013 than I was, but I had been testing it for 2 years before that release date and I played and tested it every single night, mostly Guadalcanal and Fascist Tide, I left Global war to the more experienced beta testers.

I have purchased many computer war games over the last 20 years from Matrix and Battlefront, at first each game was interesting to play, each had something different for me but I was never really satisfied, I could never find that perfect game.

My son plays Battlefronts combat mission Normandy every single day and he is in his forties, he loves the game but it is not for me. Each day I played MWIF it started to grow on me, the endless decisions all the optional rules that can change a game dramatically, I guess some players could say whew too much for me, but true WW2 computer war game players know this is a brilliant game.

The learning curve is not easy but after a while every rule makes sense and adds realism that you cannot find in any war game any wheres, again just my opinion. I have said a few times this is not a beer and pretzel game that you can watch a baseball game on TV and play MWIF at the same time well, at least I can't [:(] Barbarossa IMO plays without any bugs, Guadalcanal played very well but I have not tested if for several months, most players say Global war plays very well.

You read nitpicking over some issues some are legitimate and some are not or maybe just not that important to knock the whole game. If you want to wait a while to get the game perfect [half maps, all optional rules, all bugs eliminated, everything perfect] you might be missing out on a truly great game. Most players seem to be enjoying the product as it is now while waiting for the fixes and improvements. I know it is not an easy decision for anyone who has read all the pros and cons on these forums.

Bo




joshuamnave -> RE: Should I play yet (5/12/2015 6:30:33 AM)

It really depends on your tolerance level for bugs and UI issues. If you're looking for a completely bug free experience with a UI that is intuitive and consistent, then save your money. If you're looking for the only computer adaptation of what is probably the best strategic level global scale WW2 game and you're willing to learn not just the rules but also the bug work arounds, the rules that aren't coded, the supply issues in minor theaters, the regression bugs, the slow progress of fixes (only one programmer working on the project), QA being done by an insufficient number of (very dedicated) volunteers, poor communication from Matrix, a UI that is at best clunky in some areas and that provides incomplete information in others, and a lack of a UI or multiplayer capabilities, then welcome to WiF.



juntoalmar -> RE: Should I play yet (5/12/2015 1:21:46 PM)

To put it in short: the best wargame I have ever played (by far). This game is inmense, in all senses. I was looking for a wargame to put my time and effort in, and MWiF it really worths it.



bo -> RE: Should I play yet (5/12/2015 3:18:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

To put it in short: the best wargame I have ever played (by far). This game is inmense, in all senses. I was looking for a wargame to put my time and effort in, and MWiF it really worths it.


Agreed, but you must acknowledge juntoalmar we still have a ways to go, but if for the moment players who do not mind the solo aspect the game can be played reasonably well.

Bo



bo -> RE: Should I play yet (5/12/2015 3:57:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zartacla

It really depends on your tolerance level for bugs and UI issues. If you're looking for a completely bug free experience with a UI that is intuitive and consistent, then save your money. If you're looking for the only computer adaptation of what is probably the best strategic level global scale WW2 game and you're willing to learn not just the rules but also the bug work arounds, the rules that aren't coded, the supply issues in minor theaters, the regression bugs, the slow progress of fixes (only one programmer working on the project), QA being done by an insufficient number of (very dedicated) volunteers, poor communication from Matrix, a UI that is at best clunky in some areas and that provides incomplete information in others, and a lack of a UI or multiplayer capabilities, then welcome to WiF.


And your tolerance level is very low right [;)]

1-Best strategic level global war game around: zar has that right no argument there.

2-Rules that aren't coded: more than enough rules that are coded that lets the game play fine unless you are a fanatic Grognard that believes everything should be perfect in computer war games.

3-UI that is clunky [&:]: IMO the UI works fine, I have not one iota of problem with it, could it be tweaked to perfection, of course don't we see that with all of Matrix's computer war games [:(]

4-UI incomplete information: I have played many war games and have never seen a wealth of information provided by Steve and Matrix in the UI. It works fine.

5-insufficient numbers of dedicated unpaid testers: no argument there.

6-No multi-player possibilities: true for the moment, but I personally and many others I have talked to could care less about netplay.

7-Poor communication from Matrix: It could be a lot better, agreed!

8-Slow progress of fixes: As a general poster several years ago I have felt this way to, but since becoming a beta tester I have changed quite a bit about this. My feelings are just maybe this complex ruled game should never have been attempted, Steve decided to take it on some 9 years ago.

9-The AI: Has to be done without question and IMO should have been done first.

10-Lone programmer: Maybe, but just a guess Matrix went to some programming outfits with multiple programmers 9 years ago and found out these people have to know how to play the game and know all the rules before programming the game, either the money they asked was too high or they did not want to tackle a game that had to be done exactly as the board game with no leeway, that could scare a lot of programmers IMO.

My humble conclusion, Steve has done a masterful job with the most complex game ever made for the computer, without Steve there would be no MWIF to be arguing about and wouldn't that be sad.

I am an unpaid spokesman for Matrix as are all the beta testers through the years but all are still dedicated to see this very complex game be completed, but one last remark if I may go read all the posts on other Matrix games being sold and show me the perfect ones. That is the games you might like [;)]

Bo




goulash -> RE: Should I play yet (5/15/2015 5:05:45 PM)

Hey folks

Sorry I had not replied earlier. Was crazy at work and forgot all about this game.

Anyway, thanks for the detailed responses. I have concluded that I should give it a try to at least learn it a bit whilst work goes on.

I had already bought the game and books on release week but really just sitting on it for the main bugs to get squashed.

Also, does anyone play this on multi monitors? Can it be done?




warspite1 -> RE: Should I play yet (5/15/2015 5:32:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: goulash

Hey folks

Sorry I had not replied earlier. Was crazy at work and forgot all about this game.

Anyway, thanks for the detailed responses. I have concluded that I should give it a try to at least learn it a bit whilst work goes on.

I had already bought the game and books on release week but really just sitting on it for the main bugs to get squashed.

Also, does anyone play this on multi monitors? Can it be done?


warspite1

I personally play on two - and frankly I cannot see how its done with less!!

I have the map on one screen and use the second for charts, rules etc. It also makes an AAR soooo much easier to manage.

Glad you are giving the game a go - don't hesitate to ask any questions.



captskillet -> RE: Should I play yet (5/16/2015 8:33:30 AM)

If want really immense check out War in the Pacific:Admirals Edition.



Rosseau -> RE: Should I play yet (5/21/2015 1:17:22 AM)

Like the OP, I bought-in on release day and started playing solitaire (Missed the Bus) this week - a RAW recruit :)

I hit a few CTDs and a graphics glitch early in the set-up process, so save often. However, the set-up turn is much easier than I anticipated. I find WitP-AE (and to some extent WitX) more difficult on newcomers like myself.

Yes, I am still on Turn 1 (Axis) and only halfway through the first hardcover book. But this simulation is indeed a huge labor of love. If (when) a player masters the basics, I see a life-long addiction problem ahead. The richness in choices and potential outcomes is mind expanding. Boredom doesn't seem possible. A group play with friends must be amazing. I try to get my weak mind around the most basic of strategies, yet the effort feels really good.

At my age, studying wargaming manuals is akin to chewing glass, but Steven Hokanson's work is peerless so far. I lay in bed last night, and even in moderate pain, I just could not put the first volume down. For what little it's worth, I do this for a living since 1980, but proofreading his manuals would have been pure pleasure. I am well past being drunk or stoned, but must admit to getting a little "high on information" from his writings.

I'm sure the various teams realized going in that this wasn't going to be a get-rich-quick scheme. I would think every WiF boardgame fan would buy this version purely out of support, if finances allowed. One would think this would make the effort a better than "break-even" or "lose money" proposition.

I allowed that Matrix package to sit at the bottom of my closet for years and every so often regretted the purchase. Now it reminds me of the Biblical parable of a pearl of great value.

It is surely a great job done by all, and I offer up the very best of wishes - from one of your harshest customers. [:(]




Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Should I play yet (5/21/2015 3:37:23 AM)

Rosseau...face to face is awesome! Here in south Florida there were two face to face groups...one was very experienced and played WiF for many years through most of its incarnations (one of the players helps develop WiF, and another goes to two WiFcons every year...was even a WiFcon winner one year), the newer group (includes myself)...we are all grognards. About a year+ into the game, the experienced group began to smack talk us...something you don't do to veteran grognards...we took up the challenge (two game tournament) and kicked their @$$. Those were the two best WiF games I ever enjoyed. Now both groups have merged as some people have moved away.

As for MWiF, I'm waiting to buy it until I can get a deal on it (weekly deal on Matrix).

WitP-AE...I don't really get. For me its not strategic enough...and if it cant be that...then its also not tactical enough (like the old Midway game by AH)...so I guess its an operational game. I could be wrong about that game, but I'm not sure its worth my money and time?



goulash -> RE: Should I play yet (5/21/2015 6:03:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: captskillet

If want really immense check out War in the Pacific:Admirals Edition.


Got it and going through Youtube vids tutorials etc. Cant wait to start a full game, in fact I am almost due to start it and will dip into forums as each deep thinking solution is required.

Got WiTW but sitting on that for a while,

Will wait for 2 monitor set up before dipping into this game as I think half my problem is trying to play on one monitor.

Just re-load HOI3 and looking at this Black ice mod.

Love all the games but really with work life balance, its hard to focus. Cant wait till I fricken retire = 25+ years from now :(



chemkid -> RE: Should I play yet (5/21/2015 6:17:28 PM)

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