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Symon -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/18/2015 6:18:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
Here's a nice piece with an unusual combination:

"Amazing Grace" with Taiko drums and Japanese flute. Serene calm and then BANG. THE. FREAKING. DRUMS.! Interesting approach, but it works! [8D]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W24ljZtiZic

Never heard this one before. Thank you CB. I wept, I really did. It is what music is all about. There is harmony in rythm and beat. And melody floats above it and lingers like a cherry blossom on the wind. Thank you.

Ciao. JWE




Symon -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/19/2015 9:25:38 PM)

And just because.

Used to think Berliner Philharmoniker with von Karajan was the definitive Beethoven’s 9th. But then listening closely to Claudio Abbado gives me a new perspective. The man retains the density of the strings, but when he comes out of piano ensemble, or takes a melody lead from pianissimo, he lets the winds sing. Probably the best conductor for letting the wind and brass sections play that I ever heard. I love hearing the flutes crisp over the violins. He is a spectacular conductor. And then he gets Max and Karita and the Swedish Radio Choir to do Ode to Joy.

You look at the smile on his face and on the faces of the orchestra, and the tears streaming down the faces of the choir singers, and you know this was a special one. It was utterly beyond woof !!! Berlin, May, 2000.

O Freunde, nicht diese Toene!
Sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen und freundenvollere

Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brueder,
Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt

Wem der grosse Wurf gelungen,
Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
Mische seine Jubel ein!
Ja - wer auch nur eine Seele
Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
Weinend sich aus diesem Bund

Freude trinken alle Wesen
An den Bruesten der Natur,
Alle Guten, alle Boesen
Folgen ihre Rosenspur.
Kuesse gab sie uns und Reben,
Einen Freund, geprueft im Tod,
Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben,
Und der Cherub steht vor Gott.

Seid umschlungen, Millionen!
Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt




fcharton -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/19/2015 9:53:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Symon
Used to think Berliner Philharmoniker with von Karajan was the definitive Beethoven’s 9th.


You have to give the previous generation a try, then...

Here's Furtwängler, for the 1951 Bayreuth festival reopening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHDXdbSWu0E

The same, in 1942 (his best, in my opinion)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AI9kp02eq0

A younger version, in 1937 (where the romantic upbringing shows)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zlBF0jizIs

Then, there's Klemperer, too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHTDUktFiOg

As for Karajan, you have to listen to his Sibelius 5th...

Francois




warspite1 -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/19/2015 10:10:33 PM)

Agree with the above post Symon but with four caveats. The 9th is qualiteeee, but if you really want classical musical esctasy, to be taken to places you never thought possible, to experience strings that rip your heart out or a brass section that lifts you soaring into the clouds or piano playing that leaves you crying helpless like a baby or a piece of plucking pizzicato perfection then you have to listen to and immerse yourself in these puppies. Just astonishingly wonderful music [&o] [&o][&o][&o]

Beethoven's 6th, 5th movement - listen from 4:00 in particular. Those strings are just...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMeT5Qcsh0s

A section of Sibelius 5th Symphony - listen to 1:15 onwards. I swear those guys and gals are having intimate relations with their French Horns - and frankly I don't blame them with that wondrous sound they are emitting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3wC8DyRUkM

Beethoven's 5th Piano Concerto - listen to 21:20 onwards. What kind of genius can put that string sound together with the woodwind in 22:18 and then top it with the piano from 23:07? I mean its just perfection...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDXWK3W477w

and last but not least its this plucking beauty from Vivaldi

Vivaldi Largo (Winter) - from 3:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgs_zB6Et2Q




Symon -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/19/2015 11:56:11 PM)

Gosh I love you guys. Real music is not yet dead.

Francois, I like Furtwängler a lot. But he and Otto both seem to draw their power from massed strings and lower register reeds and brass. I can't hear the sparrows. I think maybe they inject a teensy bit more mass into the sound field than I might like, but then Ludwig was deaf, I'm stupid, and it's anybody's call. They probably have it right and I just don't know. Too, it could be a modern audio mix thing and I'm not hearing what I need to hear.

I heard 'An American in Paris' by the LA Phil, Gustavo Dudamel, a couple years ago. Every single solo instrument voice was clear and concise over the orchestra. It was as though he made a sound hole just for the particular instrument. I like Dudamel in general because whenver things are really cooking, he looks like he's having an orgasm and the orchestra responds like an aroused lover. Well, so did everybody else in Segerstrom Hall, including me. It was an immersion tableau of sound, it was a feast. But every here and there, there was a cool drink of flute, a crisp salad of oboe, a dash of xlyophone, a clarion of muted trumpet, I could even hear the two fifes in the back row. I like how Dudamel uses every instrument in the orchestra and isn't afraid to let them sing. Maybe that's why I like Abbado's version of the 9th.

Anyway, God love you all. You love music, I love you.

Ciao. JWE




fcharton -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/20/2015 12:59:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Symon
Gosh I love you guys. Real music is not yet dead.


Not yet, but it is in the process of being loved to death... When classical music is something you hear in parking lot lifts, or that you watch on Youtube played by overweight grimacing kids or girls in very short skirts, you know that the end is near.

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ORIGINAL: Symon
Francois, I like Furtwängler a lot. But he and Otto both seem to draw their power from massed strings and lower register reeds and brass. I can't hear the sparrows. I think maybe they inject a teensy bit more mass into the sound field than I might like, but then Ludwig was deaf, I'm stupid, and it's anybody's call. They probably have it right and I just don't know. Too, it could be a modern audio mix thing and I'm not hearing what I need to hear.


Historically, I think it was Karajan who was often criticised for putting emphasis on strings at the expense of woodwinds. I wonder whether this is due to recording conditions (concert hall vs studio?), or maybe the 'studio sound', which has become the norm even in modern concert halls, which keeps everything shiny and clear, and analytical... Or maybe just the fact that youtube trades some frequencies for bandwidth.

As an example, here's a late (54) Beethoven 5th recording. It was made in the Paris opera, which is an italian theater with a very special accoustics, and the sound is more "modern", ie clearer, Steinway-like...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXbm-w8jdm4

You might also want to listen to the Lucerne 9th (1954, too), which might have a sound closer to what you want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toT33shaVhc
(take for instance the second exposition beginning around 4:05, or the oboes and flute at the next one, 5:05 onwards, and then the tutti at 5:40, and then the crazy bit starting at 8:05, chamber music like)

[Edit] And while we're here, here's the same playing the cadenza of the 5th Brandenburg concerto on the piano.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxvkbL15EWA

Francois




Symon -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/20/2015 8:19:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fcharton
You might also want to listen to the Lucerne 9th (1954, too), which might have a sound closer to what you want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toT33shaVhc
(take for instance the second exposition beginning around 4:05, or the oboes and flute at the next one, 5:05 onwards, and then the tutti at 5:40, and then the crazy bit starting at 8:05, chamber music like)

Francois

Brilliant !! I think it's like you say, the recording conditions. I heard every instrument. All the sparrows. Thank you Francois.
I'll fur sure get the DVD of that one.

Ah ah ah, mi corazon espinado
Ah ah ah, como duele el amor

Ciao. John




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 5:56:42 AM)

Here's something that works well in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVAUnKK1DdQ




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 6:13:12 AM)

Here's something that makes a good dirge, you lost but gave it your best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJhax7Jmxs




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 6:24:25 AM)

Here's something to play if you're not as clever as you think you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy8H90vzX_4




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 7:18:09 AM)

This beats the band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PcXl5OxLvE




warspite1 -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 7:53:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

This beats the band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PcXl5OxLvE
warspite1

WTF?




warspite1 -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 7:55:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Here's something that makes a good dirge, you lost but gave it your best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJhax7Jmxs
warspite1

What a beautiful sound that instrument makes - so melancholy... [:(] Beautiful.




warspite1 -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 7:56:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Here's something to play if you're not as clever as you think you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy8H90vzX_4
warspite1

Video is not available




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 8:37:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Here's something to play if you're not as clever as you think you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy8H90vzX_4
warspite1

Video is not available



It still works for me. It's "Miranda" from the "Prospero's Books" movie. By the way, I'm not as clever as I think I am. [:(]




warspite1 -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 8:41:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Here's something that makes a good dirge, you lost but gave it your best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJhax7Jmxs
warspite1

What a beautiful sound that instrument makes - so melancholy... [:(] Beautiful.

warspite1

Just downloaded this - thanks. A beautiful piece of music.




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 8:47:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

This beats the band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PcXl5OxLvE
warspite1

WTF?



Here's the tuxedo version, just for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUXM137WneI




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 8:50:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Here's something that makes a good dirge, you lost but gave it your best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJhax7Jmxs
warspite1

What a beautiful sound that instrument makes - so melancholy... [:(] Beautiful.

That's Ennio Morricone, the same guy who did the music for "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly". [:D] He actually is amazing.

warspite1

Just downloaded this - thanks. A beautiful piece of music.



That's Ennio Morricone, the same guy who did the music for "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly". He actually is amazing.




Encircled -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 8:50:50 PM)

I like this when I'm doing well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl_ndy61ON4

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ryJDVuZ6k




warspite1 -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 8:53:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Here's something that makes a good dirge, you lost but gave it your best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJhax7Jmxs
warspite1

What a beautiful sound that instrument makes - so melancholy... [:(] Beautiful.

That's Ennio Morricone, the same guy who did the music for "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly". [:D] He actually is amazing.

warspite1

Just downloaded this - thanks. A beautiful piece of music.



That's Ennio Morricone, the same guy who did the music for "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly". He actually is amazing.

warspite1

And the Death Theme from The Untouchables - now that is an even sadder piece of music....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWCG5X3zqW0




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 8:53:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

I like this when I'm doing well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl_ndy61ON4

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ryJDVuZ6k


Had to get my Riverdance shoes out.




rustysi -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/27/2015 9:17:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

I like this when I'm doing well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl_ndy61ON4

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ryJDVuZ6k


Had to get my Riverdance shoes out.


[:D]




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/28/2015 4:33:09 PM)

All of Dvorak's New World Symphony. Here's the second movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ENf4VEhI40




geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/28/2015 5:21:55 PM)

Anything by Bernard Herrmann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2qZzRuIQuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3RhbVP7cA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC5AzFc3coo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMTrVgpDwPk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_tybRMFL9g = My Favorite. Sounds like home.







geofflambert -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (5/28/2015 5:34:27 PM)

Here's a curiosity. Wonder who commissioned it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHXnnBykrCU




GamesaurusRex -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (6/7/2015 11:10:30 PM)

This seems more appropriate to me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_MCBwKUMQo

or...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqqhq63RfmA




ndworl -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (6/8/2015 9:06:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fcharton

quote:

ORIGINAL: Symon
Used to think Berliner Philharmoniker with von Karajan was the definitive Beethoven’s 9th.


You have to give the previous generation a try, then...

Here's Furtwängler, for the 1951 Bayreuth festival reopening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHDXdbSWu0E

The same, in 1942 (his best, in my opinion)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AI9kp02eq0

A younger version, in 1937 (where the romantic upbringing shows)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zlBF0jizIs

Then, there's Klemperer, too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHTDUktFiOg

As for Karajan, you have to listen to his Sibelius 5th...

Francois




Yes, Furtwangler for me. I can't remember the soprano's name but she was exceptional.

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You have to give the previous generation a try, then...




czert2 -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (6/9/2015 6:08:18 PM)

how about this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsV7TuNMr5M

or this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk




bomccarthy -> RE: OT Kinda - Just Because (6/9/2015 7:56:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: czert2

how about this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsV7TuNMr5M

or this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk


More interesting was where the other links on that page led me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMpQUsQcJFg




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