RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J)

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JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/26/2015 8:48:28 AM)
January 18th 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ Not much happening. ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ Looks like Nick has moved out a large portion of the Betties based at Lahaina. That can´t be good for me as it probably means he has some evil plan for them... ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ Our DDs go in again. Nothing spectacular but every VP helps. quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 48,97, Range 5,000 Yards Japanese Ships CM Katsuriki, Shell hits 13, and is sunk CM Kamome, Shell hits 14, and is sunk CM Kyosai, Shell hits 12, and is sunk DMS Taneko, Shell hits 36, and is sunk DMS Sureko, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships DD Dunlap DD Drayton DD Lamson DD Flusser DD Porter Not going to push it though. Time to get the hell out as they are out of TTs. Don´t have any place to rearm them either. Sending them back to either OZ or India together with what remains of the Dutch Navy. The USN still have a strong presence in the area though. Houston/Boise have been looking for an opening down in south DEI and might have found it. Most of the Allied navy is now focused on the DEI. I´ll keep looking for openings. Don´t want to accidently run into the KB. ------------------------ OZ/SOPAC ------------------------ Japanese continue to secure the Solomons. With poor allied search and KBs whereabouts unknown I don´t dare try to intervene. No sign of the 4th and and 33rd IDs yet. Also have the 144 Infantry RGT moving for Rabaul. Forts and defenses in OZ is still improving. I have about 2500 AV divided evenly between Melbourne and Sydney. Forts are at 4.5 and 4.1 but growing slowly now. ------------------------ Overall ------------------------ Still a very fun game. [:)] The very unusual opening and Nicks style of play makes the game very interesting even for an allied player. He moves really fast and doesn´t hesitate to operate outside the air umbrella. This makes him able to advance very rapidly but also it gives me opportunities. I´ve only been able to land some jabs though and his rapid advance has really payed off so far. I´m still waiting for 2nd phase hammer to drop somewhere. No doubt it will hit hard and fast. The only piece of the puzzle I have is the 2 IDs moving for Rabaul, MKB possibly moving towards India and various smaller forces prepping for PH. All these contradict each other. Its not impossible though that he intends to expand deep into SOPAC (Fiji + Samoans) + take PH. If I remember correctly this is what Yamamoto actually wanted to do? But it was ruled out since the Japanese lacked the cargo capacity to expand that deep. I think their analysis showed they couldn´t even keep the Hawaiian islands fed? Whatever he plans it will come soon though. KB has been missing for 3 weeks and the 4th and 33rd are on the move. [image]local://upfiles/32406/68E1F4EA9DAF4D65A5409C9C4EEEF779.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/26/2015 12:25:19 PM)
Great result...well done![sm=happy0065.gif] Looking forward to seeing what happens here.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/26/2015 1:33:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Great result...well done![sm=happy0065.gif] Looking forward to seeing what happens here. Thanks! [:)] Only 3 VPs each for the ships though. But better than nothing!

poodlebrain -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/26/2015 9:06:09 PM)
Think beyond the VP to the function(s) of the ships sunk. Their loss is a permanent reduction in Japanese capacity to perform those types of missions. Think of the number of mines to which your ships will never be exposed. The reduction in the possibility of losses has value beyond VPs.

Lokasenna -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/26/2015 9:30:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain Think beyond the VP to the function(s) of the ships sunk. Their loss is a permanent reduction in Japanese capacity to perform those types of missions. Think of the number of mines to which your ships will never be exposed. The reduction in the possibility of losses has value beyond VPs. The IJN will never run out of Type 4 minelayers. The 2 DMS hulls are the real haul here. Besides that, the Type 4 mines suck. I use them because I feel like I have to, but they just don't pack a lot of punch. Requires multiple hits to sink even subs and DDs.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/27/2015 5:41:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain Think beyond the VP to the function(s) of the ships sunk. Their loss is a permanent reduction in Japanese capacity to perform those types of missions. Think of the number of mines to which your ships will never be exposed. The reduction in the possibility of losses has value beyond VPs. That is true. Also worth to keep in mind is that every VP I gain is worth x4 in when you regard AV. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/27/2015 5:52:34 AM)
January 19th 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ Frustration! ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ The Houston/Boise TF sprints in trying to stop the Japanese reinforcement of Tarakan. I spotted a 14 ship cargo TF there yesterday and sent them in. quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Kendari at 70,106, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Haguro, Shell hits 1 CA Nachi CA Ashigara CL Natori, Shell hits 1 CL Kuma DD Minazuki, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Kamikaze DD Asagao DD Fuyo DD Karukaya Allied Ships CA Houston, Shell hits 2, heavy fires CL Marblehead, Shell hits 2 CL Boise DD Alden DD Barker DD Bulmer DD Edsall DD John D. Edwards DD Stewart DD Paul Jones DD Whipple DD Parrott No serious damage on any ship. Houston has 22 SYS. The cargo TF unloads in peace and Tarakan falls. The Japanese TF reacts towards Java though and is now within range of Force Z. I´ll send them in at full speed during the night. If Nick hangs around we may have a good chance to cripple a couple of CAs. ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ A S-boat hits a big tanker coming in for Lahaina. Doesn´t look to be in any danger of sinking. quote: Sub attack near Niihau at 173,108 Japanese Ships TK San Clemente Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Kiku Allied Ships SS S-18 Betties suddenly return over PH and takes an absolute beating! 22 shot down during the day. Nice! That is it for today! [image]local://upfiles/32406/5D53C365F75442699A1E5A8F5C9C7067.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/27/2015 4:49:11 PM)
I think if he doesn't land on Oahu in force by Feb 1 he's past his window. Transit times plus loss of bonus, etc. Your P-40E pool starts to fill. You get a few DDs to play with. Your fort building at Pearl should be past level 5 if not 6. Keep jabbing and ducking.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/28/2015 6:33:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 I think if he doesn't land on Oahu in force by Feb 1 he's past his window. Transit times plus loss of bonus, etc. Your P-40E pool starts to fill. You get a few DDs to play with. Your fort building at Pearl should be past level 5 if not 6. Keep jabbing and ducking. Not so sure about that. I can´t fly any fighters short of putting them on CVs as I don´t have any bases in range. Nick also keeps the AF suppressed. Forts have actually not increased very much. The engineers thinks its more important to repair the AF and port rather then building forts... [8\|] He will take PH if he tries. But I´m happy for the exchange. It will require a huge investment on his part and he will probably take heavy losses in the landing. It also (probably) means he can´t do any major 2nd phase attack (OZ, India). I´ll happily give away PH for that. This is of course if my estimate that he will need about 5 IDs to take it is correct.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/28/2015 6:39:04 AM)
January 20th 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ Another slow turn ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ Force Z missed the Jap CAs as they head almost due West into the Java sea. Lots and lots of subs here so I might get lucky! ------------------------ China ------------------------ Usual aerial attacks and bombardments. ------------------------ SIGINT ------------------------ Now this is interesting... quote: 5/33rd Division is planning for an attack on Pearl Harbor. This is one of the IDs moving for Rabaul. Looks like Nick is being sneaky and setting fake destinations. He can´t fake the planning though. I´ll be more then happy if he indeed moves for PH rather then OZ. I also have the 4th ID on the move. Assuming its moving with the 33rd towards PH its still far from enough to capture PH. He needs more which should buy me more time.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/28/2015 4:45:31 PM)
January 21st 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ Yet another slow one... ------------------------ China ------------------------ Looks like Nick has decided where to make his major attempt. quote: Ground combat at 82,47 (near Ichang) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 14035 troops, 164 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1409 Defending force 24109 troops, 155 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 633 Assaulting units: 6th Division 39th/A Division 14th Ind.Mixed Brigade 9th Armored Car Co 13th Division 13th Tank Regiment 39th/B Division 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 2nd Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps Doubt I can hold against this. I missed that it was a 50k troop limit. So well picked spot by Nick. Its a WR hex and all three Corps have x3 forts...but I don´t think its enough. Another attack on the road to Ankang. quote: Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 24162 troops, 240 guns, 146 vehicles, Assault Value = 677 Defending force 26753 troops, 112 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 553 Japanese adjusted assault: 304 Allied adjusted defense: 829 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 980 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 34 disabled Engineers: 25 destroyed, 3 disabled Vehicles lost 36 (22 destroyed, 14 disabled) Allied ground losses: 426 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 70 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 16 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Assaulting units: 2nd Ind Engineer Regiment 5th Armored Car Co 15th Tank Regiment 37th Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 41st/B Division 1st Army 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 59th Chinese Corps 92nd Chinese Corps 22nd Group Army 33rd Group Army He is slowly grinding me down. I have reinforcements on their way. ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ The Japanese CA TF continues West into the Java Sea. I´m trying to get Force Z into position for a night attack but Japan is starting to get some good search up making this really hard without showing myself. [image]local://upfiles/32406/29137124A476403CAB15D2C178B310B3.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/29/2015 5:57:42 AM)
January 22nd 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ To beginning of the end in China ------------------------ China ------------------------ As predicted the attack comes. quote: Ground combat at 82,47 (near Ichang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 43709 troops, 380 guns, 128 vehicles, Assault Value = 1410 Defending force 24158 troops, 155 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 632 Japanese adjusted assault: 1217 Allied adjusted defense: 1171 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1001 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 55 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled Vehicles lost 23 (6 destroyed, 17 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1429 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 188 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled) Assaulting units: 9th Armored Car Co 6th Division 39th/A Division 14th Ind.Mixed Brigade 13th Tank Regiment 13th Division 39th/B Division 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 2nd Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps He will route the units next attack. This is really bad news for me. Nick continues to grind down the Chinese units on the road to Ankang. Its taken him just 2 weeks to wear them down. [:(] God, I hate China. ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ The Salmon misses 4 TTs against a DD escorting a AO. ------------------------ Malaya ------------------------ Last allied resistance surrenders. This frees up the 18th ID for him.

obvert -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/30/2015 6:42:37 AM)
I don't think that vector for attack near Ichang is going to work out for him. I wouldn't have defended where you did at first, on a gray road, but even if he does push you back there he's then got no roads and a river to cross. That will be a disaster for him if you can get some more troops in the area. He just can't sustain an attack through this territory all of the way into the center.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/30/2015 8:21:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert I don't think that vector for attack near Ichang is going to work out for him. I wouldn't have defended where you did at first, on a gray road, but even if he does push you back there he's then got no roads and a river to cross. That will be a disaster for him if you can get some more troops in the area. He just can't sustain an attack through this territory all of the way into the center. Yeah, that was a mistake on my part. Missed that it was a 50k hex too. I hope you are right about the rest...It has me quite worried.... [X(]

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/30/2015 8:42:23 AM)
January 23rd-25th 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ Got three turns down yesterday. No time to update until now though. ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ Nick lands a lot of reinforcements on Java. I tried to sortie what was left of the Dutch AF but we only managed 2 hits on two different ships. quote: Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kalidjati at 50,99 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft A5M4 Claude x 5 A6M2 Zero x 6 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 15 139WH-3 x 3 B-339D x 8 CW-22 Falcon x 9 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 destroyed 139WH-3: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged B-339D: 2 destroyed CW-22 Falcon: 1 damaged CW-22 Falcon: 1 destroyed by flak Japanese Ships xAK Nikki Maru, Bomb hits 1 xAK Hino Maru #3 BB Haruna xAK Hukusei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Tosan Maru This means I probably have about 3-4 weeks left on Java. I´ve already been forced to start pulling some of the Navy out. I can´t reload TTs or refuel. This severely limits my staying power. Force Z and the CVs are critical on fuel. I have a little coming but not enough. I´ll probably have to pull Z back. Dutch Navy is already heading to CT due to damage. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Major action here as Nick makes his attack. At Ichang we hold 2 attacks but on the third my troops fold. quote: Ground combat at 82,49 (near Ichang) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 28951 troops, 273 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 874 Defending force 20241 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 563 Japanese adjusted assault: 1176 Allied adjusted defense: 46 Japanese assault odds: 25 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 1178 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 100 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled) Allied ground losses: 4591 casualties reported Squads: 249 destroyed, 73 disabled Non Combat: 221 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 18 destroyed, 19 disabled Guns lost 17 (7 destroyed, 10 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 3rd Division 34th Division 1st Mortar Battalion Defending units: 73rd Chinese Corps 99th Chinese Corps We did manage to inflict some 500 Japanese disablements so he should have to rest a week or two before being back at full strength. Now its a race for the next hex. Because of the river crossing I should get there first? Nick also tried to break through towards Ankang. We held firm. quote: Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 22907 troops, 240 guns, 37 vehicles, Assault Value = 613 Defending force 26087 troops, 111 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 481 Japanese adjusted assault: 308 Allied adjusted defense: 2002 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 6 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2294 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 203 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Allied ground losses: 345 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Assaulting units: 37th Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 41st/B Division 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 59th Chinese Corps 92nd Chinese Corps 22nd Group Army 33rd Group Army My troop that for some undisclosed reason went due E instead of NE (was shown as moving NE) are mauled. 380 squads lost. [:(] Here is a crappy map of the situation! PS. Sorry for the drop in quality of the AAR lately. Should be back at normal standard once the kitchen is done. [image]local://upfiles/32406/D2E89FA8AD8248D19DBEC609170224FC.jpg[/image]

Yakface -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (6/30/2015 8:59:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Here is a crappy map of the situation! Map actually looks quite good......so I'm thinking more 'map of the crappy situation' ;)

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 5:55:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yakface Map actually looks quite good......so I'm thinking more 'map of the crappy situation' ;) [:D]

obvert -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 6:31:29 AM)
If there is any way at all to bomb his troops about once every 4-5 turns for the next few weeks, definitely do it. You have to get to that hex first!

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 7:10:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert If there is any way at all to bomb his troops about once every 4-5 turns for the next few weeks, definitely do it. You have to get to that hex first! Yupp, going to try! The mighty Chinese air force will sortie! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 7:38:50 AM)
Losing PH ______________________________________________________________________________ With at least the 2 Japanese IDs prepping for PH I think its safe to assume I will be playing at least a portion of this game without PH. This might sound dramatic but it really isn´t that bad. All my convoys are now sailing off map (for the most part). This of course adds travel time but instead makes it a really safe journey. Balboa is the current hub of allied shipping. Port Stanley will be added to the network to ease congestion at Balboa. WC is pretty much emptied of shipping. This is done preemptive since KB raiding of the WC is likely after Japanese take control of it. All of the restricted WC planes are deployed forward. Pickets will be placed 8-12 hexes from the WC as well as subs. The really bad news is that Nick will bag almost 600.000 units of fuel when he captures PH. That is REALLY bad and will likely cover his expenses and then some. The good news is that he will need a huge garrison to cover PH and the surrounding Islands. All the Hawaiian island + Christmas + Midway will probably require 4-6 IDs to cover properly. It will also tie up the KB in its defense. From a VP perspective I´m not sure this was a good move. He will gain something like 5-6k VPs from the troops and PH itself including the BBs. But he has probably lost around 500 VPs in planes and ships so far (x4 that is 2000 AV he has to make up). More will likely come in the landing. It has also tied up most of the IJN including the KB at this crucial early days. BUT. This might only be the first step in something bigger. In which case the relative meager VP net gain (from an AV perspective) might be made up in the second phase. The only 2 things I can think of that makes sense if this is just a first step is either a WC invasion (unlikely) or a Canadian invasion without triggering the WC emergency reinforcements. Interestingly I asked Nick a while back if I was allowed to use WC restricted troops in Canada. He said I was (if done reasonably). This means I could theoretically use much of the WC restricted troops in the defense of Canada. That is roughly 10 IDs worth of troops. Far more then the Japanese can handle. So this seems unlikely too. More likely is probably a "full Pacific" operation where Nick will grab everything down to Tahiti. If that is his goal I´m not sure grabbing PH was the right move. But I guess time will tell. Nick is a very good player with a solid grasp of the game. So whatever he is going to do is well thought out. And I´ve been wrong before! [;)] At least I´ve learned from my game with Tom that the Allies cannot defend against a full Japanese commitment into SOPAC. So if he comes I´ll just put some roadblocks into place to force a big commitment but I won´t fight to the death for it. As long as I avoid AV I´ll have 3 years to take it back. Now back to the kitchen! [:(]

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 12:19:57 PM)
Definitive PH invasion coming. I now have 4 IDs prepping for PH! I´ll try and get an update up tonight.

Lowpe -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 12:33:22 PM)
How much do you have on the roads to Chengting?

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 1:40:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe How much do you have on the roads to Chengting? Going by memory (writing on the phone) something like 2500-3000 AV.

BBfanboy -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/1/2015 2:41:26 PM)
I am not so sure that the Japanese will get that fuel. With engineers among your troops and level 5 forts the fuel may be torched in the final battle. I have seen this happen with fuel and supply stocks in my sandbox game where I can see what each side gains after a conquest. I know some of the supply loss is just military stuff the other side cannot use, but sometimes all the stock gets destroyed which would include food, fuel in drums, tents, medical supplies and other items usable by either side.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/2/2015 4:17:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy I am not so sure that the Japanese will get that fuel. With engineers among your troops and level 5 forts the fuel may be torched in the final battle. I have seen this happen with fuel and supply stocks in my sandbox game where I can see what each side gains after a conquest. I know some of the supply loss is just military stuff the other side cannot use, but sometimes all the stock gets destroyed which would include food, fuel in drums, tents, medical supplies and other items usable by either side. I hope you are right! Would suck to leave all that fuel for him.

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/2/2015 4:42:43 AM)
January 26th-31st 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ This update will cover 6 days. I havn´t had time to update since Nick has been hurling turns at me. The reason for this became obvious when he landed at PH on the 31st! ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ Not really much happening here. Japanese have reinforced Java and is slowly working their way across the island. ------------------------ China ------------------------ The race for the 2 hexes continues. Nick bombs me with everything he has. He made a small mistake though and started bombing Sian without escort. AVG jumped in and shot down 18 bombers. Nick in turn intercepted Chinese bombers trying to bomb his troops to knock them out of move mode. No Chinese losses though! I´m moving more of the AVG into China. ------------------------ Burma ------------------------ A unit has entered the Northern jungle 1 hex West of Katha. Only 1 unit listed and I´m trying to figure out what it is. Nick also abandoned the advance on Lashio. I bought out the 6th Chinese Corp and they are defending together with the BFF BDE . Only 180 AV though. ------------------------ Pearl Harbor ------------------------ The landing comes. CD guns are embarrassingly ineffective. An example. quote: Pre-Invasion action off Pearl Harbor (180,107) - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 1118 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro CL Sendai DD Yudachi xAKL Kumakawa Maru, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage xAKL Kurama Maru, Shell hits 1 DD Ikazuchi xAKL Hakuyo Maru PB Busho Maru AMC Asaka Maru xAK Toei Maru xAKL Hinode Maru xAK Kurogane Maru xAKL Ina Maru xAKL Kennichi Maru xAKL Tenposan Maru Japanese ground losses: 1092 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 58 disabled Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled) So out of 1118 shots fired 13 hit... Nick will lose some xAKLs and possibly some AMC (they ran into a mine field). Some DMSes also got chewed up badly trying to clear mines. I estimate he lost some 5000 casualties in the landing. But 99.5% of those are only disablements and will recover quickly....so no lost VPs. Only a PB lost to mines. [8\|] Nick got 2300 AV ashore almost unhurt. He will probably need a week to recover some disablements and get FAT/DIS down. quote: Defending units: 10th Tank Regiment 21st Division 21st Ind Engineer Regiment 5th Tank Regiment 3rd Ind Engineer Regiment 33rd Division 4th Tank Regiment 65th Brigade 4th Division 7th Tank Regiment 16th Division 48th Division Kure 2nd SNLF 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 12th JNAF AF Unit /26 So PH will fall in February. KB also showed up for the show and sank the remaining BBs in harbor. Good news is that this leaves Nick with very little "to spare". No 2nd phase coming anywhere until PH is cleared. The longer I can hold here the longer before he moves the hammer somewhere else. PH will probably fall mid/late February (depending on how the first attack goes). That leaves him only a month before the landing bonus expires. If he misses that he will have to wait for prepp which would be me even more time. [image]local://upfiles/32406/F7EDC9F44855402599A724B8D12928AA.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/2/2015 7:33:17 AM)
Question for the Jap players reading. - What kind of garrison would you keep at PH + surrounding Islands? What is reasonable to expect? - Is it possible for Nick to pursue another major operation before the landing bonus expires? Speculating that PH will fall mid to late February. - Does this effectively lock the KB to the Hawaiian islands or would you count on LBA to be enough to stop a major allied landing?

KenchiSulla -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/2/2015 7:44:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister - What kind of garrison would you keep at PH + surrounding Islands? What is reasonable to expect? At least two divisions. Note that he will have a very hard time to stock all the bases with troops. His focus will be PH - Is it possible for Nick to pursue another major operation before the landing bonus expires? Speculating that PH will fall mid to late February. Define major.. He'll be able to attack elsewhere but ofcourse the majority of his troops are tied to Pearl for now - Does this effectively lock the KB to the Hawaiian islands or would you count on LBA to be enough to stop a major allied landing? Initially he won't KB there. Later, when he is transitioning to defense he should not keep KB there - it is to remote....

Barb -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/2/2015 9:24:16 AM)
My personal opinion about garrisoning PH: 1 reinforced ID at Pearl, at least one reinforced ID at Hawaii, plus some SNLFs or 65th Bde at Lahaina, Lihue, ... Total strength of about 3 Divisions. KB will now probably operate near PH to prevent any allied interference, but will not hang around for long. It is needed for other operations in the south. However PH can become main refueling-replanishment-repair base in the eastern Pacific for KB. So if you are thinking about retaking it - go in BIG, with the "kitchen sink" and be sure the wolf is not in the lair!

Alfred -> RE: Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Olorin (J) (7/2/2015 9:28:05 AM)
You should read these posts from October 2010 http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2518166&mpage=10&key=Pearl%2CHarbor #271 #284 #297 #306 #308 Putting aside the logistics aspect, and that is not entirely an insurmountable obstacle, Japan does not have to commit large forces to garrison the Hawaiian Islands. Only Pearl Harbor needs to be held in force and a single division suffices for that purpose once forts have been built up. A good allocation of aviation support plus an Air HQ would also be required. The other islands can be garrisoned by Naval Guard units primarily. Alfred

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