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poodlebrain -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/1/2015 4:17:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Can´t move the USN to the WC as I can´t cover them from the KB for more then 2-3 days before KB sweeps would have blasted away my CAP and completely drained my pools. Any ships still on the WC after that would be easy pickings for the KB. My suggestion was not intended for immediate action, but for September-October when you have had time to get some improved aircraft and naval strength. The Allies are not ready for immediate implementation. That being said, I think you are underestimating the risks for the Japanese. Remember they need at least a 4:1 VP ratio for any attack to be considered successful. What other tasks will the KB have during the 2-3 days of sweeps you think it would require to degrade your CAP? It will have to be performing search and ASW search missions, it will be flying CAP over IJN, it will fly naval strikes against any surface TFs it spots, and it will have to fly some recon missions to find your ships in port. At the same time it has to play keep away from the numerous subs you will have operating in the area while staying outside the range of any SCTF you could sortie from SF. The Japanese can not afford one mishap during any phase in the turns leading up to the 2-3 days of sweeps, the 2-3 days of sweeps, or the following days in which they could make the necessary strikes against your ships. What can you be doing as a counter? The first thing to consider is reducing the effectiveness of the KB. This can be achieved in two ways. The first is the obvious method of causing actual combat losses. You only have to have good fortune in one phase over several turns to achieve success at this. The second is to cause fatigue, loss of morale and limited capacity to mount strikes (exhaust his sorties). This will happen naturally, but you can accelerate the process by mounting small operations that force a disproportionate response from the Japanese.

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/1/2015 6:59:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Uncivil Engineer, Loka Thanks for the input. Looks like shipping per see wouldn´t be a problem. So 3 IDs on the first wave seems pretty reasonable to expect. The rest would have to come by xAK/xAPs. This probably means landing right on the intended target is very unlikely. Which would buy me more time. The vast majority will be on xAK or xAP - there are not enough AK or AP to carry much more than 1 division. As I mentioned in the previous post, 122 Aden class xAK are required to unload 3 divisions in one day (after the early war bonus). Converting them to -t allows more troops to be carried, but lengthens the unload time. I really think you're undercounting the AK-t types. Not xAK-t, but AK-t. At this point in the war he could have around 100 AK-t with troop capacity somewhere in the mid-1000 and cargo in the mid-2000. An IJA ID has a troop load cost at or under 10,000, and a cargo load cost at or under 6000 (in most cases). You only need 12-15 AK-t's to completely unload a division in a single day. If you can do 2 days, you need less (not half as many, but less)... quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: richlove quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister .... In my game against Erik I perfected the art of unloading in just 2 phases. As you say a lot of things can effect unloading. A mine hit, some ship deciding to refuel, an unwanted reaction, sub attack etc etc... ... Can we digress on this for a comment or two? What was your secret? As a RoT use 4-6 extra ships APAs. Use "load troops only". Load a couple of AKAs/AKs with supply only and merge them into the Amphib TF after you loaded the troops. End the previous turn as close to the target destination as possible. Reaction 0, threat tolerance at max. Make sure no ships are in "red". Set home port to the closest possible allied port (to reduce the risk of the ships doing some unwanted refueling). There's an "easier" way, if you can do some simple math. When setting up your TFs, open up the Load Troops screen (doesn't matter, you can do this with just 1 ship)... look at the Troop Load and Cargo Load cost for each of the units you want to take. Make a note of these values. If you want to unload in 1 full day using APAs, for example, then you need a number of APA/AKA/LS* ships equal to the total load cost divided by 2400. If you want to unload in 1 phase (half a day), then you need a number of total APA/AKA/LS* ships equal to the total load cost divided by 1200. It doesn't hurt to use 1 extra ship to account for any rounding errors... For AK/AP types, divide by 1200 for a full day or 600 for just one phase to get the number of ships. For example, for a division with 10,000 Troop and 15,000 Cargo load, I would aim for ~8 APA and 3 AKA: this is 26400 total unload compared to 25000 total load cost... however, most APAs aren't able to fit a 10,000 Troop cost unit onto 8 APAs (their Troop loading space is usually in the mid-1000s) and with needing to have about 20% space free, I will have to use about 10-12 APAs depending on size... This might mean that I don't need to use more than 1 AKA or so. This pretty much ensures 2-phase full unloading. Basically, for APA/AKA/LS* types, you'll unload their full load in 2 phases. Maybe 3 for the biggest ones. It's the AK/AP types (and xAK/xAP) that you need to do real math for their loads. Also, set to Do Not Refuel and you won't have to worry about unwanted refueling, even if there are ships in red. When you use this setting, you will have to manually refuel if you want ships to refuel.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 5:58:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain My suggestion was not intended for immediate action, but for September-October when you have had time to get some improved aircraft and naval strength. The Allies are not ready for immediate implementation. That being said, I think you are underestimating the risks for the Japanese. Remember they need at least a 4:1 VP ratio for any attack to be considered successful. What other tasks will the KB have during the 2-3 days of sweeps you think it would require to degrade your CAP? It will have to be performing search and ASW search missions, it will be flying CAP over IJN, it will fly naval strikes against any surface TFs it spots, and it will have to fly some recon missions to find your ships in port. At the same time it has to play keep away from the numerous subs you will have operating in the area while staying outside the range of any SCTF you could sortie from SF. The Japanese can not afford one mishap during any phase in the turns leading up to the 2-3 days of sweeps, the 2-3 days of sweeps, or the following days in which they could make the necessary strikes against your ships. What can you be doing as a counter? The first thing to consider is reducing the effectiveness of the KB. This can be achieved in two ways. The first is the obvious method of causing actual combat losses. You only have to have good fortune in one phase over several turns to achieve success at this. The second is to cause fatigue, loss of morale and limited capacity to mount strikes (exhaust his sorties). This will happen naturally, but you can accelerate the process by mounting small operations that force a disproportionate response from the Japanese. I think you are more optimistic then I am! [:D] Only light in the tunnel regarding the air strength I have is the P40K which begins production in September! Its a big step up from the "E" certainly but it will take a long time for me to get it into squadrons as numbers will only be enough for 2 squadrons/month if there are no combat losses. I agree KB would be stretched pretty thin by doing all the usual stuff + sweeping. But the way LBA is working all he needs are 50 Zeroes on CAP and he is safe from LBA. That leaves around 100 Fighters for sweep and LRCAP. More then enough as my next update will show. Japanese air force is way too much for the allies to handle. It will shift eventually but we are far from there. [:)] But you convinced me to send some naval assets to the WC. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 6:03:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna There's an "easier" way, if you can do some simple math. When setting up your TFs, open up the Load Troops screen (doesn't matter, you can do this with just 1 ship)... look at the Troop Load and Cargo Load cost for each of the units you want to take. Make a note of these values. If you want to unload in 1 full day using APAs, for example, then you need a number of APA/AKA/LS* ships equal to the total load cost divided by 2400. If you want to unload in 1 phase (half a day), then you need a number of total APA/AKA/LS* ships equal to the total load cost divided by 1200. It doesn't hurt to use 1 extra ship to account for any rounding errors... For AK/AP types, divide by 1200 for a full day or 600 for just one phase to get the number of ships. For example, for a division with 10,000 Troop and 15,000 Cargo load, I would aim for ~8 APA and 3 AKA: this is 26400 total unload compared to 25000 total load cost... however, most APAs aren't able to fit a 10,000 Troop cost unit onto 8 APAs (their Troop loading space is usually in the mid-1000s) and with needing to have about 20% space free, I will have to use about 10-12 APAs depending on size... This might mean that I don't need to use more than 1 AKA or so. This pretty much ensures 2-phase full unloading. Basically, for APA/AKA/LS* types, you'll unload their full load in 2 phases. Maybe 3 for the biggest ones. It's the AK/AP types (and xAK/xAP) that you need to do real math for their loads. Also, set to Do Not Refuel and you won't have to worry about unwanted refueling, even if there are ships in red. When you use this setting, you will have to manually refuel if you want ships to refuel. Yeah. "Easier" [:D] I did the math initially on my first big landings but for reasons unknown (probably that I suck at math) they often ended up not fully unloaded anyway. So I just added enough ships to load them + 4-6. That usually leaves some motorized support but gets everything important off the ships. [:)] PS. Are you sure about "do not refuel" preventing "within TF refueling"? That would be awesome if it worked. [X(]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 6:49:35 AM)
July 7th 1942 ______________________________________________________________________________ Some good, some bad! ------------------------ NORPAC ------------------------ Big sweeps hit Seattle on the 6th. My air force have withdrawn to the south to recover from the earlier sweeps. On the 7th everything hits Vancouver. They get almost 10k fires going but AA claims 16 planes shot down! Ise bombards Prince Rupert but only 2 Bolos are destroyed. ------------------------ SOPAC ------------------------ 47th US regiment unload at Luganville together with some OZ engineers. They are covered by a cruiser force. No detection on any of the TFs. I´ll bump the forts a little (already at 3) before expanding the AF to 3. Don´t want to draw a lot of attention down here. ------------------------ India ------------------------ Lots of action here and two mistakes on my part. Japanese air force show up over Calcutta to show who is boss. quote: Morning Air attack on Calcutta , at 52,37 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 38 Allied aircraft Hurricane I Trop x 16 Hurricane IIb Trop x 8 P-40E Warhawk x 49 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hurricane I Trop: 4 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed quote: Morning Air attack on Calcutta , at 52,37 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 27 Allied aircraft Hurricane I Trop x 2 Hurricane IIb Trop x 3 P-40E Warhawk x 26 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hurricane I Trop: 1 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed This is followed by even more Zero sweeps ending in a huge 47 plane sweep. From a VP perspective its a good result with 1:1 losses during the day. But losing 32 fighters in a single day is not something I can do. Fighters are redeployed back to Madras. 32nd ID are now just one day from Calcutta. Some sloppy play on my part cost me some AFVs West of Calcutta. quote: Ground combat at Rajshashi (55,35) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 14695 troops, 122 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 480 Defending force 3014 troops, 54 guns, 294 vehicles, Assault Value = 192 Japanese adjusted assault: 194 Allied adjusted defense: 86 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Rajshashi !!! Combat modifiers Defender: preparation(-) Attacker: leaders(-) Japanese ground losses: 269 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 361 casualties reported Squads: 12 destroyed, 17 disabled Non Combat: 140 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 21 (11 destroyed, 10 disabled) Vehicles lost 167 (142 destroyed, 25 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 5th Division <--- Good intel! Defending units: 254th Armoured Brigade 48th Light AA Regiment Losses looks worse than they are. Mostly motorized support and some Improv. AFVs. What is REALLY interesting here is the 5th ID. This one was used in NORPAC (have to go back and double check but I´m fairly certain). A bit surprised I got no SIGINT on them moving to Burma. But my units should have been caught like that. I simply missed the Japanese units moving in. Further up North I do the same thing and 3 units sitting in strat mode get caught in the open by a Japanese tank regiment. quote: Ground combat at 53,25 (near Gorakhpur) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 384 troops, 0 guns, 93 vehicles, Assault Value = 62 Defending force 650 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14 Japanese adjusted assault: 61 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 61 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: op mode(-), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: leaders(+) Allied ground losses: 721 casualties reported Squads: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 58 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 3 Assaulting units: 14th Tank Regiment Defending units: 16/5th Mahratta Battalion 4/2 NW Frontier Base Force 20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment Jeffs units are approaching Lucknow where a surprise is waiting for them. Jeff have also moved down his big stack from Ranchi down to Asanol. I´ll see if I can lure him down even further by pulling back to Calcutta. ------------------------ WC Defense ------------------------ So after pondering this yesterday I´ve done some changes here. 3rd USMC and 5th Armored will move to Sacramento and sit there in Strat mode together with 2 tank BTLs. Some engineers moving for EC and India are turned back. They will start boosting the forts at LA and Portland. Some US troops are pulled from Canada (got a slew of Canadian BDEs a couple of turns ago) and sent to Portland. 18 DDs and 4 DMs set sail from Balboa to SD. But with the 5th ID showing up in India I think the threat is almost non existant. But the forces currently defending WC can be used in a NORPAC offensive in 43 so they are not completely wasted being on the WC. [image]local://upfiles/32406/8E45026D9361405B941E59A5E3F847D3.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 12:03:32 PM)
Like me (late Oct 42), you have to wait for the slow trickle of General Lee tanks to fill out your big three armoured brigades (50, 254, 255). You will need 52 x 7 battalions = 364 of them! [X(] I cannot wait until the big convoy on Dec 1st to come in with 72 of them. I only have 3 of 7 battalions with them so far and they are not filled out to 52 yet. [:(]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 12:10:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Like me (late Oct 42), you have to wait for the slow trickle of General Lee tanks to fill out your big three armoured brigades (50, 254, 255). You will need 52 x 7 battalions = 364 of them! [X(] I cannot wait until the big convoy on Dec 1st to come in with 72 of them. I only have 3 of 7 battalions with them so far and they are not filled out to 52 yet. [:(] Yeah, 6/month is a little bit too slow for my liking... [:(] Loved the armored BDEs in my game with Erik. Nothing the Jap has can stop them for long...add in a few M4s and they can´t stop them at all! [&o] Right now I´m trying to juggle the upgrades. Seems like Improv.AFV --> Valentine III --> General Lee. But some skip the Valentine and go straight for General Lee? Or is the Valentine -> General Lee a device upgrade?

ny59giants -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 12:27:10 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Like me (late Oct 42), you have to wait for the slow trickle of General Lee tanks to fill out your big three armoured brigades (50, 254, 255). You will need 52 x 7 battalions = 364 of them! I cannot wait until the big convoy on Dec 1st to come in with 72 of them. I only have 3 of 7 battalions with them so far and they are not filled out to 52 yet. Yeah, 6/month is a little bit too slow for my liking... Loved the armored BDEs in my game with Erik. Nothing the Jap has can stop them for long...add in a few M4s and they can´t stop them at all! Right now I´m trying to juggle the upgrades. Seems like Improv.AFV --> Valentine III --> General Lee. But some skip the Valentine and go straight for General Lee? Or is the Valentine -> General Lee a device upgrade? Right now, I have the 50th with 2 of 3 battalions with just over 30 General Lee each. 255th has Valentines in one battalion. 254th has one battalion worth of General Lee. So the upgrade paths are like you said...some skip the Valentine III. The Valentines are good anti-infantry tanks, but you want the Lee to go up against Japanese tanks. Don't forget to monitor your monthly to bi-monthly CS Convoys that arrive at Cape Town to see how many tanks and other devices you are getting. Slightly OT - In BTS, I allowed the under strength American 13th Armoured Division to be bought out in mid-Dec '42 vs being withdrawn. It will take 6 months worth of stockpiling Shermans, but I'm looking forward to seeing her in action.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 1:09:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants quote: quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Like me (late Oct 42), you have to wait for the slow trickle of General Lee tanks to fill out your big three armoured brigades (50, 254, 255). You will need 52 x 7 battalions = 364 of them! I cannot wait until the big convoy on Dec 1st to come in with 72 of them. I only have 3 of 7 battalions with them so far and they are not filled out to 52 yet. Yeah, 6/month is a little bit too slow for my liking... Loved the armored BDEs in my game with Erik. Nothing the Jap has can stop them for long...add in a few M4s and they can´t stop them at all! Right now I´m trying to juggle the upgrades. Seems like Improv.AFV --> Valentine III --> General Lee. But some skip the Valentine and go straight for General Lee? Or is the Valentine -> General Lee a device upgrade? Right now, I have the 50th with 2 of 3 battalions with just over 30 General Lee each. 255th has Valentines in one battalion. 254th has one battalion worth of General Lee. So the upgrade paths are like you said...some skip the Valentine III. The Valentines are good anti-infantry tanks, but you want the Lee to go up against Japanese tanks. Don't forget to monitor your monthly to bi-monthly CS Convoys that arrive at Cape Town to see how many tanks and other devices you are getting. Slightly OT - In BTS, I allowed the under strength American 13th Armoured Division to be bought out in mid-Dec '42 vs being withdrawn. It will take 6 months worth of stockpiling Shermans, but I'm looking forward to seeing her in action. I´m getting a ton of M3 Grant/Lee and even more Matilda IIs from the convoys. But very few units to use them which is annoying. Have 24 General Lees coming in shortly though which is nice. From my experience of the late war...that armored division is going to absolutely rock! [&o] I see lots of Japanese players going on about their Tank divisions. But they fail to realize that just what a few Shermans can do those late war Japanese "tanks"... [:'(] Its like China in reverse. [sm=00000028.gif]

Hermit -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 1:32:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants quote: quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Like me (late Oct 42), you have to wait for the slow trickle of General Lee tanks to fill out your big three armoured brigades (50, 254, 255). You will need 52 x 7 battalions = 364 of them! I cannot wait until the big convoy on Dec 1st to come in with 72 of them. I only have 3 of 7 battalions with them so far and they are not filled out to 52 yet. Yeah, 6/month is a little bit too slow for my liking... Loved the armored BDEs in my game with Erik. Nothing the Jap has can stop them for long...add in a few M4s and they can´t stop them at all! Right now I´m trying to juggle the upgrades. Seems like Improv.AFV --> Valentine III --> General Lee. But some skip the Valentine and go straight for General Lee? Or is the Valentine -> General Lee a device upgrade? Right now, I have the 50th with 2 of 3 battalions with just over 30 General Lee each. 255th has Valentines in one battalion. 254th has one battalion worth of General Lee. So the upgrade paths are like you said...some skip the Valentine III. The Valentines are good anti-infantry tanks, but you want the Lee to go up against Japanese tanks. Don't forget to monitor your monthly to bi-monthly CS Convoys that arrive at Cape Town to see how many tanks and other devices you are getting. Slightly OT - In BTS, I allowed the under strength American 13th Armoured Division to be bought out in mid-Dec '42 vs being withdrawn. It will take 6 months worth of stockpiling Shermans, but I'm looking forward to seeing her in action. I know this is a noob question, but how do you "buy out" a unit that is supposed to be withdrawn?

ny59giants -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 1:38:01 PM)
Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths. One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43) The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43) So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 2:05:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hermit I know this is a noob question, but how do you "buy out" a unit that is supposed to be withdrawn? Normally you can´t do that. But if I understand Michael (ny59giants) correctly they changed something in the BTS mod. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 2:10:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths. One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43) The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43) So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:] That is pretty much what I´m wondering too. I have 230 Matildas in the pool but no units that can use them...the OZ RGT already upgraded to the Grant/Lees which are also plentiful. Wonder if the British units are supposed to upgrade to Matildas before doing the Valentina -> General Lee upgrade? EDIT: Looking in tracker the Imrprov AFV hvy (1085) is supposed to upgrade to Vickers Tankettes (1086) and then straight to Valentines. (1088) Isn´t that odd? The only thing upgrading to Matildas (1087) are Improv AFV (1083). Could someone have missed that there are 2 different Improv AFVs (1087 and 1083) and given the British armored BDEs the wrong Improv AFV? EDIT2: Did a (very quick) search and it might be working correctly. I can find no reference of Matildas being used by Indian or British units in India/Burma.

poodlebrain -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 3:58:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I think you are more optimistic then I am! I admit to being optimistic, but I think the odds of success are pretty favorable. I believe it is probable to avoid a 4:1 loss ratio.

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 5:06:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister PS. Are you sure about "do not refuel" preventing "within TF refueling"? That would be awesome if it worked. [X(] I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well).

HansBolter -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 5:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths. One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43) The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43) So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:] That is pretty much what I´m wondering too. I have 230 Matildas in the pool but no units that can use them...the OZ RGT already upgraded to the Grant/Lees which are also plentiful. Wonder if the British units are supposed to upgrade to Matildas before doing the Valentina -> General Lee upgrade? EDIT: Looking in tracker the Imrprov AFV hvy (1085) is supposed to upgrade to Vickers Tankettes (1086) and then straight to Valentines. (1088) Isn´t that odd? The only thing upgrading to Matildas (1087) are Improv AFV (1083). Could someone have missed that there are 2 different Improv AFVs (1087 and 1083) and given the British armored BDEs the wrong Improv AFV? EDIT2: Did a (very quick) search and it might be working correctly. I can find no reference of Matildas being used by Indian or British units in India/Burma. Matildas became obsolete very quickly. A number were sent to the Russians via Lend/Lease. Their armor was proof against the German's 37mm gun, but they were armed with a peas shooter themselves and as soon as the Germans began upguuning their Panzer IIIs to 50MM guns and mounting long barrel high velocity 75mm guns on their panzer IVs, the Matildas no longer had a viable role as main battle tanks.

HansBolter -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 5:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister PS. Are you sure about "do not refuel" preventing "within TF refueling"? That would be awesome if it worked. [X(] I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well). With the Do Not Refuel option set they will not refuel no matter what even if you manually hit the Replenish from Port option. You first have to remove the DNR order to even manually force a refueling. Catch myself trying all the time to manually force a replenishment on a TF with a DNR order and only after two or three unsuccessful tries do I finally notice I have a DNR order set.

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 6:05:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister PS. Are you sure about "do not refuel" preventing "within TF refueling"? That would be awesome if it worked. [X(] I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well). With the Do Not Refuel option set they will not refuel no matter what even if you manually hit the Replenish from Port option. You first have to remove the DNR order to even manually force a refueling. Catch myself trying all the time to manually force a replenishment on a TF with a DNR order and only after two or three unsuccessful tries do I finally notice I have a DNR order set. Yeah, I do that also. But that behavior makes me think that it might prevent refueling at sea as well? At least the standard upkeep refueling that TFs will do to regularly top off the ships with lower endurance. The Replenish from Port button won't even be there if you have it set to DNR.

JeffroK -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 6:41:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Looking in the database (D button) for vehicles. The Improv AFV (Hvy) has two paths. One seems to be for the Aussie Armoured Rgt: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Matilda (280 in pools) - M3 Grant/Lee (378 in pools) - Sherman V (12/43) The second seems to be for British Armoured Brigade: Improv AFV (Hvy) - Vicker Tankettes (2 in pool) - Valentine III (23 in pools) - General Lee (0 in pools & 7/42) - General Grant (4/43) - Sherman V (12/43) So everybody eventually gets to Sherman V by end of '43, but what are we to do with hundreds of Matildas and M3 Grant/Lee?? [&:] That is pretty much what I´m wondering too. I have 230 Matildas in the pool but no units that can use them...the OZ RGT already upgraded to the Grant/Lees which are also plentiful. Wonder if the British units are supposed to upgrade to Matildas before doing the Valentina -> General Lee upgrade? EDIT: Looking in tracker the Imrprov AFV hvy (1085) is supposed to upgrade to Vickers Tankettes (1086) and then straight to Valentines. (1088) Isn´t that odd? The only thing upgrading to Matildas (1087) are Improv AFV (1083). Could someone have missed that there are 2 different Improv AFVs (1087 and 1083) and given the British armored BDEs the wrong Improv AFV? EDIT2: Did a (very quick) search and it might be working correctly. I can find no reference of Matildas being used by Indian or British units in India/Burma. Matildas became obsolete very quickly. A number were sent to the Russians via Lend/Lease. Their armor was proof against the German's 37mm gun, but they were armed with a peas shooter themselves and as soon as the Germans began upguuning their Panzer IIIs to 50MM guns and mounting long barrel high velocity 75mm guns on their panzer IVs, the Matildas no longer had a viable role as main battle tanks. Not fighting in the Desert or Eastern Front, the Matilda II remained a capable Infantry support weapon in the jungles of New Guinea & Borneo until the end of the war. IRL, the British didnt use the 'Tilly in India/Burma, M3 Stuarts were good enough against the IJA, plus 50 Arm Bde using Valentines in the Akyab campaign.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 7:55:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain I admit to being optimistic, but I think the odds of success are pretty favorable. I believe it is probable to avoid a 4:1 loss ratio. It might be. I guess it comes down to if I´m willing to risk it. [:)] My general feel is that I can handle a WC invasion without the Navy. If I was really worried I would toss everything I have at a possible landing! Besides with at least 4 Japanese unrestricted in India now and invasion is very unlikely. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 7:56:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna I use it. I'm not sure what happens when one or more ships hit 0 Endurance (maybe it will refuel then, or else begin moving at drifting speed), but it does appear to prevent the ships from refueling when they're getting low-ish, which could keep you from hitting the beaches. As it should, since it's a Do Not Refuel setting (although it could just be applied to waypoints/bases, but the Full/Minimal/Tactical Refuel settings seem to apply to at-sea refueling as well). Going to try it. If it works it solves a lot of headaches. Can´t believe I never though of it!

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 8:01:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter Matildas became obsolete very quickly. A number were sent to the Russians via Lend/Lease. Their armor was proof against the German's 37mm gun, but they were armed with a peas shooter themselves and as soon as the Germans began upguuning their Panzer IIIs to 50MM guns and mounting long barrel high velocity 75mm guns on their panzer IVs, the Matildas no longer had a viable role as main battle tanks. Yeah, did a quick read up on it. Didn´t even know they sent them so Soviet let alone over 1000 of them! [X(] quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK Not fighting in the Desert or Eastern Front, the Matilda II remained a capable Infantry support weapon in the jungles of New Guinea & Borneo until the end of the war. IRL, the British didnt use the 'Tilly in India/Burma, M3 Stuarts were good enough against the IJA, plus 50 Arm Bde using Valentines in the Akyab campaign. I read somewhere that the Matilda was the only British tank used throughout the entire war! Not a bad record. [:)]

witpqs -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/2/2015 8:04:25 PM)
One thing about TF refueling. When you have a waypoint set, and you tell it to refuel at that waypoint, it will do so even if you have Do Not Refuel on the main TF screen. This allows you to refuel convoys on the way to and from distant ports or call without draining fuel at the destination.

JeffroK -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/3/2015 5:09:31 AM)
Matilda II [image]local://upfiles/15295/742DBF5C1D73435780E16D8F624FEB1C.jpg[/image]

JeffroK -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/3/2015 5:22:48 AM)
Too big??

BBfanboy -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/3/2015 5:31:10 AM)
I like the way they have trained spiders to put a filter on the gun muzzle to keep foreign objects out ...[:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/3/2015 6:19:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs One thing about TF refueling. When you have a waypoint set, and you tell it to refuel at that waypoint, it will do so even if you have Do Not Refuel on the main TF screen. This allows you to refuel convoys on the way to and from distant ports or call without draining fuel at the destination. Thats good to know! Thanks. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/3/2015 6:23:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK Too big?? Did you take that? [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy I like the way they have trained spiders to put a filter on the gun muzzle to keep foreign objects out ...[:)] [:D]

JeffroK -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/3/2015 6:49:19 AM)
Yes, its about an hour to Puckapunyal, muddiest place in Australia and home the the Royal Australian Armoured Corps Museum. I'll post a few more OZ-centric photos.

JeffroK -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (12/3/2015 6:54:11 AM)
British Crusader, only 1 was sent to OZ, we then decided we could do better and locally designed and build the Sentinel AFV. In the background is the 1 only Cromwell we received for trials. [image]local://upfiles/15295/970712442E554E83BD803646A8ABED40.jpg[/image]

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