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tiemanjw -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 2:58:45 PM)
quote: They provide Aviation Support that does not require he tender to be disbanded. What do you know... learn something every day. I admit I didn't believe you at first, so I took one of my bases that that some AVs in port, formed them into a support TF, and the base info screen still indicated they could provide support. Learn something new every day. Thanks. Yours and BBFanBoy's points all stand - it is probably usually better to disband for the reasons stated, but it isn't necessary.

poodlebrain -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 3:19:14 PM)
An ancillary benefit of suppressing the airfield at Coal Harbor is it prevents expansion of the port. And a level 1 port is a rather severe limitation on Coal Harbor as a sustainable forward base of operations. If the KB returns to support Coal Harbor I would take it as a sign that Japan has plans for some sort of offensive operation on the West Coast. A level 1 port at Coal Harbor will make it useless as a staging base for any large scale operation.

tiemanjw -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 5:28:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain An ancillary benefit of suppressing the airfield at Coal Harbor is it prevents expansion of the port. And a level 1 port is a rather severe limitation on Coal Harbor as a sustainable forward base of operations. If the KB returns to support Coal Harbor I would take it as a sign that Japan has plans for some sort of offensive operation on the West Coast. A level 1 port at Coal Harbor will make it useless as a staging base for any large scale operation. While suppression is never a bad idea... don't underestimate how much you can move through a small port given enough nav support. And enough is not all that much (at least not as far as the allies are concerned). 1 USN BF can make it viable, and 2, well, even better.

poodlebrain -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 6:18:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tiemanj While suppression is never a bad idea... don't underestimate how much you can move through a small port given enough nav support. And enough is not all that much (at least not as far as the allies are concerned). 1 USN BF can make it viable, and 2, well, even better. I would presume that while suppressing the airfield that Joc would also bombard the port occasionally to reduce its cargo and fuel handling capacities. This would prolong the presence of any ships loading and/or unloading offering increased opportunities to attack them while they are most vulnerable. It would also limit the utility of the base for naval combatants as refueling and rearming would be a problem. Knowing Japanese surface combat capabilities are limited, I would create PT boats at Victoria to make nuisance raids on Coal Harbor and create some small fast SCTFs to make sorties against Victoria whenever shipping is detected at Coal Harbor. Without the KB to support Coal Harbor, it would become an extremely dangerous place for any assets the Japanese commit there.

BBfanboy -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 6:41:19 PM)
Jocke is marching troops overland to take Coal Harbour, so he doesn't want to spook them into evacuating before he gets there. [:)]

tiemanjw -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 7:05:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain quote: ORIGINAL: tiemanj While suppression is never a bad idea... don't underestimate how much you can move through a small port given enough nav support. And enough is not all that much (at least not as far as the allies are concerned). 1 USN BF can make it viable, and 2, well, even better. I would presume that while suppressing the airfield that Joc would also bombard the port occasionally to reduce its cargo and fuel handling capacities. This would prolong the presence of any ships loading and/or unloading offering increased opportunities to attack them while they are most vulnerable. It would also limit the utility of the base for naval combatants as refueling and rearming would be a problem. Knowing Japanese surface combat capabilities are limited, I would create PT boats at Victoria to make nuisance raids on Coal Harbor and create some small fast SCTFs to make sorties against Victoria whenever shipping is detected at Coal Harbor. Without the KB to support Coal Harbor, it would become an extremely dangerous place for any assets the Japanese commit there. I agree with all that. I was just saying that naval support squads vastly increase load / unload rate - much more cost effectively than increasing port size.

poodlebrain -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 8:15:27 PM)
Naval support squads at small unfortified ports are highly vulnerable to bombardment. And naval support does not increase fuel handling.

RangerJoe -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/7/2016 11:58:17 PM)
At Coal Harbor, would a SCTF, followed by DMS TF, a bombardment TF and then a DM or two laying mines be effective? Should the DMS go first, separately or be included in both the SCTF and the Bombardment group? If they went in at full speed, they should be able to get back under your CAP, correct? Close the port until your mines are cleared as well as doing damage to the port, airfield and airplanes as well destroying supplies.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/8/2016 4:44:55 PM)
5th August -42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Sadly only a quick update. Busy evening! ------------------------ NORPAC ------------------------ Absolutely perfectly timed...and weather make a mass of things. [:(] First all my DDs clashed with a small transport TF defended by some Japanese DDs. Results are...underwhelming. quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Coal Harbour at 204,49, Range 2,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Asagumo, Shell hits 3, heavy fires DD Umikaze DD Suzukaze DD Shirayuki E Kunashiri, Shell hits 1 AK Sado Maru, Shell hits 1 xAK Minryo Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire Allied Ships DD Farenholt DD Caldwell DD Dale, Shell hits 1 DD Worden DD MacDonough, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Dewey, Shell hits 6, heavy fires In the morning massive Japanese sweeps hits Vancouver as predicted. Sadly our P40s there decide not to sweep back. The P38s do go in. But results are again...underwhelming. Quite disappointed in how our P38s did. quote: Afternoon Air attack on Coal Harbour , at 204,49 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 36 A6M2-N Rufe x 6 Allied aircraft P-38E Lightning x 11 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38E Lightning: 4 destroyed CAP is as you can see very, very weak. Our B17s go in...but the heavy rain and AA means little result. quote: Afternoon Air attack on Coal Harbour , at 204,49 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 29 A6M2-N Rufe x 6 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 25 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed on ground Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 13 damaged Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 3 [:(] This is followed by the usual fragmented gazillion strikes. Not much is lost as the CAP don�t have time to react. But the airfield is barely scratched. I�ll take the VPs though. Good day in that regards thanks to RAF work in India. ------------------------ India ------------------------ Good day here when the RAF catches some LRCAP up in the North! [&o] quote: Afternoon Air attack on 8th Tank Regiment, at 53,28 , near Benares Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 8 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIc Trop x 14 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed About 15 Zeroes shot down for only 1 Hurricane! Good work. [:)] ------------------------ SOPAC ------------------------ We bag a PB outside Vanikoro. 10 VPs. I�ll take it. I shouldn�t complain really. Despite not closing CH I�m +13 VPs today and Japanese AV ratio drops below 3,3 for the first time in months. [image]local://upfiles/32406/52D9AC08D18C44FCACA3B5F1337B9ED6.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/8/2016 4:45:57 PM)
I�ll try to answer the questions tomorrow. Really busy tonight but I wanted to get the update up. [:)]

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/8/2016 7:16:33 PM)
quote: First all my DDs clashed with a small transport TF defended by some Japanese DDs. Results are...underwhelming. You have my sympathies, but let's face it: DD vs DD combat in early August '42 generally does not go the way the Allies would like.

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/8/2016 9:37:55 PM)
In my experience... that CAP still being up, even though it was relatively light (still 35 planes!), is what caused your bombers to miss. More so than heavy rain (which doesn't seem to have THAT much of an effect, unlike Thunderstorms) or the AA. The AA doesn't seem to mess with aim so much as cause damage. I'm sure it does affect hit rate, but I've noticed a far larger effect from 1) CAP, and 2) Thunderstorms. In that order.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 4:06:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe At Coal Harbor, would a SCTF, followed by DMS TF, a bombardment TF and then a DM or two laying mines be effective? Should the DMS go first, separately or be included in both the SCTF and the Bombardment group? If they went in at full speed, they should be able to get back under your CAP, correct? Close the port until your mines are cleared as well as doing damage to the port, airfield and airplanes as well destroying supplies. It depends on if he has any CD guns at CH. If he does any minesweeping would be suicidal!

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 4:09:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna In my experience... that CAP still being up, even though it was relatively light (still 35 planes!), is what caused your bombers to miss. More so than heavy rain (which doesn't seem to have THAT much of an effect, unlike Thunderstorms) or the AA. The AA doesn't seem to mess with aim so much as cause damage. I'm sure it does affect hit rate, but I've noticed a far larger effect from 1) CAP, and 2) Thunderstorms. In that order. Might be right. I think my numbers are bit on the small side too. Only 90 4Es in total. Probably expecting a little bit too much from them.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 4:15:46 AM)
VPs ______________________________________________________________________________ As I said I really shouldn�t complain. We are steadily making progress in the VP department. [image]local://upfiles/32406/1313447CFA754A2CA8F43A2C36EEAC23.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 5:38:38 AM)
Coal Harbor ______________________________________________________________________________ I�ve pretty much decided to give up for now trying to close it from the air. We have parity in actual number of fighters in the area but quality wise the allies are lagging. This is what swept Vancouver last turn. quote: Afternoon Air attack on Vancouver , at 209,49 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 20000 feet Afternoon Air attack on Vancouver , at 209,49 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 36 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 36 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet If I want to close CH I will need to wear down his CAP. This is probably not something I can achieve without crippling losses. Besides Japanese strat bombing has been anemic at best and I think his OP and flak losses are greater then his gains. So at least for now I�ll revert to trying to ambush his bombers. Next month the P40K arrives which is a tremendous step up for the Allies.

RangerJoe -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 9:25:51 AM)
Plus, if he is keeping his best pilots there with lots of planes, they aren't somewhere else. You only get better in pilots, airframes and anti-aircrafts. You get to use those permanently restricted air units for things other than ASW and training.

ny59giants -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 12:35:14 PM)
I just had almost even numbers of Tojo vs P-40Ks over Cox's Bazar at 20k. Since you are playing with altitude restrictions, the "K" came out with 6:1 kills which should help you out in the next few months once this model comes out. [sm=00000106.gif]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 2:11:07 PM)
18 hours without nicotine. Not.feeling.good.

BBfanboy -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 2:25:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Plus, if he is keeping his best pilots there with lots of planes, they aren't somewhere else. You only get better in pilots, airframes and anti-aircrafts. You get to use those permanently restricted air units for things other than ASW and training. Not sure it is all going to be easier for the Allies. Lowpe is an experienced Japanese player and knows how to manage the industry to produce advanced fighters early. This may mean a counter to the P-40K is not far off. Good point about the perm restricted air units.

poodlebrain -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/9/2016 3:05:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister If I want to close CH I will need to wear down his CAP. Looking at the combat reports from your sweeps of Coal Harbor, it appears he doesn't have radar detection. The time to target is pretty short so scrambling additional fighters should be a no go. So it may not be necessary for you to wear them out if you can overwhelm them for a single phase. You might achieve better results sweeping with the P-38s at high altitude and attacking the AF with an escorted ground strike at lower altitude. The sequencing of the missions will have a huge impact on the success, but it might be worth the risks involved.

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 3:28:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna In my experience... that CAP still being up, even though it was relatively light (still 35 planes!), is what caused your bombers to miss. More so than heavy rain (which doesn't seem to have THAT much of an effect, unlike Thunderstorms) or the AA. The AA doesn't seem to mess with aim so much as cause damage. I'm sure it does affect hit rate, but I've noticed a far larger effect from 1) CAP, and 2) Thunderstorms. In that order. Might be right. I think my numbers are bit on the small side too. Only 90 4Es in total. Probably expecting a little bit too much from them. I've completely shut down airfields with "only" 40-50 4Es on several occasions [;)].

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 7:30:07 AM)
6th August -42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Very little to report. ------------------------ NORPAC ------------------------ Looks like Jeff is pulling out his navy from NORPAC. That is a bit surprising. [&:] I would have assumed he would reinforce rather then back down. I know he has some BBs up here as they have been bombarding Prince Rupert from time to time. Perhaps he needs the DDs to escort them. I�ll try to do something here next turn. Sinking sound were heard this turn. Perhaps on of the DDs put on fire burned down? ------------------------ India ------------------------ Arrrgh! [:@] The AI decides to send everything (including the 1st Marines) via a route that gets them stuck on some Paras Jeff dropped a while back. So now I have to pull them from strat mode and move them back or attack and let Jeff know the 1st Marines are in India. Stupid AI...grrrr! ------------------------ SOPAC ------------------------ Have to rearrange my forces on Noumea a bit as we are overstacked. Don�t want to burn supply for nothing. Some armor and engineers move to LaFoa. No sight of the enemy. B26s hit Belep Island disabling some squads. [image]local://upfiles/32406/E0EED2F6D6A140C7A6FC1806357EC57A.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 1:47:33 PM)
Ground Movement - You should know by now that the AI will move troops when given a choice along the easiest/quickest route possible. [:-]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 2:35:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Ground Movement - You should know by now that the AI will move troops when given a choice along the easiest/quickest route possible. [:-] Yeah, but I sent some BFs a while back and they arrived going around the paras. [&:]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 4:10:18 PM)
7th August -42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Plodding along... ------------------------ NORPAC ------------------------ Jeff was a little careless with some of his retiring DDs... [:)] quote: Morning Air attack on TF, near Alliford Bay at 195,49 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 2 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 0 minutes Allied aircraft SB2U-3 Vindicator x 15 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Umikaze, Bomb hits 2, on fire DD Suzukaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Asagumo, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Morning Air attack on TF, near Alliford Bay at 195,49 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft SBD-3 Dauntless x 15 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Suzukaze, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires DD Umikaze, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Alliford Bay at 195,49 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Allied aircraft SBD-3 Dauntless x 15 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Suzukaze, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Umikaze, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk Pretty sure the 3rd one sunk too. Good haul. In preparation of this I swept Allford bay to clear possible LRCAP. I was expecting a smallish leaking CAP from CH. I was wrong... [X(] quote: Morning Air attack on Alliford Bay , at 199,46 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 36 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 10 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk I x 14 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Kittyhawk I: 4 destroyed A second Kittyhawk sweep does a little better. This is followed up by a good P40E sweep. The day ends with a 1-1. I like the VPs but the losses are bit on the steep side. ------------------------ India ------------------------ Looks like he is finally coming for Ledo! 8 units looking to cross. I have 580 AV behind level 3 forts in x3 terrain all 100% prepped. Could turn costly for him. Fingers crossed... [:)] ------------------------ SOPAC ------------------------ Quiet. [image]local://upfiles/32406/B092825403DE45BAAA8D7AF85688E002.jpg[/image]

JeffroK -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 6:29:05 PM)
Are we fixated on Coal Harbour, any recon on the bases further up the coast?

BBfanboy -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 10:26:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Ground Movement - You should know by now that the AI will move troops when given a choice along the easiest/quickest route possible. [:-] Yeah, but I sent some BFs a while back and they arrived going around the paras. [&:] I know they go around the enemy in MOVE mode, but can't divert in STRAT mode.

ny59giants -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/10/2016 11:34:59 PM)
I've developed somewhat of a soft spot for those old Vindicators. [sm=00001746.gif] It's nice to see them get hits at 8 to 10 hexes away.

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (1/11/2016 5:53:41 AM)
It's too bad the Allies don't get more "Vibrators." Although it may not have been well liked in real life, with its long ferry and attack ranges, it's great in this game. Cheers, CC

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