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Huw Jones -> HJ (SHC) vs Pelton T1-T4 Soviet pics (6/13/2015 5:38:55 PM)

Played a number of games over the last 6 months, mostly with intermediate players, mostly as Soviet, thought I was doing well, then played Sapper who showed me the errors of my ways in our VERY brief game.

Adjusted tactics and strategy since then, lets see how well they work against another veteran, Pelton:

Turn one I disband a lot of things, Fortress that are not needed, Air Commands, some SAD bases, some Army Corps for CC purposes, then just build Sappers with the remaining admin points, not many admin points left on T1 though.

T2+ Carry on with the same but more building and less disbanding each turn.



Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/13/2015 5:42:54 PM)

T1 Pskov

Skirmish line out.

Aim to hold Pskov until T4 if possible and as much of the Pskov River line I can until until T3 and pull back, again if possible.



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Callistrid -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/13/2015 11:07:15 PM)

You should start building RR units. All armies must have 2, boosting the fort building.
You have 10 at start, so would be wise to send them to the most important sectors. And around Pskov, the 3 swamp hex is the most usefull defending zone, what real slow the german advance. Best terrain against panzers.



Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/13/2015 11:57:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Callistrid

You should start building RR units. All armies must have 2, boosting the fort building.
You have 10 at start, so would be wise to send them to the most important sectors. And around Pskov, the 3 swamp hex is the most usefull defending zone, what real slow the german advance. Best terrain against panzers.


Once I can can work out how to get better photos up, I will carry on with posts and my turn notes, as far forward as the photos don't give things away.

Of the initial RR units, I think 8 not 10, 2 RR units went to the land bridge, 6 RR to the Pskov area.

Personally I prefer sapper regiments, they have a better construction value, plus can fight.

It should be noted that the 8 RR units you start the game with, the TOE is just 90%, I reset the TOE to 100 on T1.






Callistrid -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/14/2015 12:01:40 AM)

Photoscape is a good option, and I use it.

http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php

It's free and has screen capture option, plus it's easy to cut the unused parts, and resize the image.



Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/14/2015 12:07:43 AM)

Its all gibberish to me, I thought a crop was something you grew, my tech guy will show me, then I will be fine.



Peltonx -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/14/2015 4:07:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Huw Jones

Its all gibberish to me, I thought a crop was something you grew, my tech guy will show me, then I will be fine.


your tech "guy"?

So its me vs your company?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWHs9atxCeU

If your worth less then a billon then your not worth as much as one of the people that have lost or done a draw.





Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/14/2015 11:06:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: Huw Jones

Its all gibberish to me, I thought a crop was something you grew, my tech guy will show me, then I will be fine.


your tech "guy"?

So its me vs your company?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWHs9atxCeU

If your worth less then a billon then your not worth as much as one of the people that have lost or done a draw.






jaja I will need all the help I can get, he just looks after my computers, when required and I get him to show me how to do things I don't know.



Peltonx -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/14/2015 12:00:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Huw Jones


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: Huw Jones

Its all gibberish to me, I thought a crop was something you grew, my tech guy will show me, then I will be fine.


your tech "guy"?

So its me vs your company?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWHs9atxCeU

If your worth less then a billon then your not worth as much as one of the people that have lost or done a draw.






jaja, he just looks after my computers, when required and I get him to show me how to do things I don't know.


Ahh a friend



Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/16/2015 11:08:42 AM)

T1 Center

Pull back to land bridge over a turn or two, with skirmish line out.

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Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/16/2015 11:11:56 AM)

T1 South.

Aim to pull back gradually to the Denepr River, trying to keep the forward units at the out range of the German in units, forcing his Arm to use up MP attacking them.

While I build fortifications along the rive and evacuate as much industry as I can.


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MattFL -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/16/2015 3:38:48 PM)

My guess is that Pelton is going to make you pay for this strategy. In the south, I think you either put up a solid line at the pre-war border forts or completely pull back to the Dnepr. Setting up the checker board in my opinion will just result in lots more units getting swallowed up during a time when he has to move anyway. So giving him free units while he's covering ground he needs to cover to me isn't the way to go. I prefer a solid line or complete withdrawal (most likely withdrawal as the Lvov pocket is sealed meaning you probably don't have the strength for a solid line). I can't see the CVof the units, but I also would have been tempted to break at least one of the encirclements.

Same comments from the North. I think you're just giving away free units that he can take when covering ground he needs to cover anyway.....

Will be curious to see Pelton's next turn.




Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T1 Soviet pics (6/16/2015 4:21:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mattp

My guess is that Pelton is going to pay for this strategy. In the south, I think you either put up a solid line at the pre-war border forts or completely pull back to the Dnepr. Setting up the checker board in my opinion will just result in lots more units getting swallowed up during a time when he has to move anyway. So giving him free units while he's covering ground he needs to cover to me isn't the way to go. I prefer a solid line or complete withdrawal (most likely withdrawal as the Lvov pocket is sealed meaning you probably don't have the strength for a solid line). I can't see the CVof the units, but I also would have been tempted to break at least one of the encirclements.

Same comments from the North. I think you're just giving away free units that he can take when covering ground he needs to cover anyway.....

Will be curious to see Pelton's next turn.




In the North, I don't think he will encircle the skirmish line, as that will stop him pushing on Pskov, he will push them out of the way.

In the Center maybe he will encircle the odd unit, but otherwise same as North.

In the South, yes some will get circled for sure, even if you had the units available, I don't think its wise to build a solid wall yet.

As to breaking pockets, most of the time I can in the South on T1, but not possible in this game, breaking pockets is always the first thing I look at.



Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T2 Soviet pics (6/18/2015 2:51:10 PM)

T2 in the north two arm managed to cross the river south of Pskov.

I disbanded the 2 Northern Front Corps, putting the units in one Army, which I then attached to the Northwest Front, upgraded a Northwest Leader to a 6.8.

Then hit the Arm with everything that could reach from two armies of the same front, forcing them back across the river.

I don't think most players will try and pocket the skirmish line as it will slow them up to much, it will also lead to a bigger defense line is along the Pskov river on T3.

If Pelton managed to get 3 units across, I doubt I would have had the CV to hit him, the skirmish line saps up MPs, reducing the amount of arm than can cross the river.

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Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T2 Soviet pics (6/18/2015 2:53:09 PM)

T2 Minsk

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Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T2 Soviet pics (6/18/2015 3:03:25 PM)

T2 south, Lvov pocket are moving to the mountains.

Two more pockets created, broken for now.

I disband the Black sea fleet commander, and then attach the airbases to the Volga MD commander.

I like to have all fronts/MDs on the map with supporting airbases.

I railed the majority of the best Arm to around D-Town, to dig in, some on T1 and more on T2.

Hopefully I can keep the railroad to Odessa open and evacuate the industry on T3.

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Peltonx -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T2 Soviet pics (6/18/2015 6:40:15 PM)

Checker boards can be a pain in the ass if you don't know how to deal with them.

Good game so far.



Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T3 Soviet pic (6/19/2015 8:23:13 PM)

T3 Pskov

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Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T3 Soviet pic (6/19/2015 8:24:31 PM)

T3 Minsk

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Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T3 Soviet pic (6/19/2015 8:25:45 PM)

T3 South

Two small groups re-pocketed, plus 2 new pockets.

Odessa industry evacuated, plus some other Cities close to the fronts.

A counter attack failed South of Kiev, leaving a number of units unable to pull back as far as I wanted, due to the Germans unit ZOC.

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Huw Jones -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T2 Soviet pics (6/19/2015 8:34:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Pelton

Checker boards can be a pain in the ass if you don't know how to deal with them.

Good game so far.



Others have more difficulty than you had dealing with it, I would use it again, but I think from T3 a slightly bigger gap between the German spearheads and the front line.



Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/21/2015 12:15:14 AM)

T4 North

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Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/21/2015 12:16:59 AM)

The Panzers managed to push through the Pskov line, after a number of hasty attacks, but with heavy losses:

4521, 56, 170

The Northern front did one counter attack, adding to the Panzer losses.

Several units are now nearly eligible for Guards Status.

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Peltonx -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T2 Soviet pics (6/21/2015 2:10:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Huw Jones


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Checker boards can be a pain in the ass if you don't know how to deal with them.

Good game so far.



Others have more difficulty than you had dealing with it, I would use it again, but I think from T3 a slightly bigger gap between the German spearheads and the front line.



I recon pick units I want to pocket, then use 1 or 2 panzer divisions to circle the units. Then 4-6 other heard them into a nice tight pocket which leaves 4-6 other panzers to flip hexes.

Do the same thing for 3-4 turns and the checker board is not a checker board any more.



Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/21/2015 8:52:24 PM)

T4 Center

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Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/21/2015 8:53:15 PM)

T4 South

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Huw Jones -> Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/21/2015 8:57:11 PM)

T4 Kiev

The Panzer thrust did no go in the direction I was expecting, towards D-Town, but towards Kiev.

So I railed some of my best Arm that were resting around D-Town and building fortifications there, to the Denep South of Kiev.

Kiev has limited fortifications, possibly why pelton went in that direction.

OR

For the units that were left to far forward after the failed Counter attack on T3, leaving more units to be pocked, Pelton first largish pocket with about 100,000 men in it, I doubt it will be the last.


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M60A3TTS -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/21/2015 11:31:25 PM)

Kiev should be no big deal. His normal play is cross the Dnepr at Cherkassy and head for Poltava to lock the arms there. But he will also go D-Z if defenses there are weak.



HITMAN202 -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/22/2015 4:06:01 AM)

M60A, do you think the Soviets in AGC have set up D-line too far west of Smolensk ??? The clear terrain to it's east makes it very vulnerable to encirclement.

Also in AGS Pelton has roughly 11-12 divs of both infantry and armor/mech units abutting the Kiev/Dnper line. It looks like Huw Jones efforts in building a visually impressive checkerboard setup has led him to neglect any Dnper D-line. I see no real fort line or units with MP's to provide reserve activation. Would you be very nervous if you were Stalin and he your Zhukov ??? I bet you would place his family in "political" custody. Watch Pelton crash thru. He also has another 3 Pz units 6-8 hexes away.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Huw Jones(SHC) vs Pelton- T4 Soviet pic (6/22/2015 9:32:49 AM)

@ Hitman: Huw looks pretty good. Pelton cut Das Reich lose from Guderian's 46th Pz Kps and sent it south. But I'd qualify that by saying we can't see from the screenies what the Dnepr bend defense looks like.

Not sure what to make of using all these military districts as pseudo fronts but it is an interesting approach. It does seem there are too many airbases south. The VVS can get some real experience flying in the Leningrad area and aren't subject to moving as much as their counterparts in the south where moving east with regularity can be problematic.



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