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Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 12:36:32 PM)
Midway...the object of this exercise.... and the Allies are REJECTED![;)] A tank army with no infantry support suffers the wrath of a diverse group of defenders! [image]local://upfiles/44178/2D801FEB0BCA4D1D872D8F50685DE4A0.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 12:38:59 PM)
Early reports of losses... [image]local://upfiles/44178/CBE8720AB3F44EB1963B061B4E4D2ED4.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 12:43:08 PM)
For the grognards that wish to see the full report... Morning Air attack on TF, near Midway Island at 158,91 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 20 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5b Zero x 27 A6M5c Zero x 183 B6N2 Jill x 149 D4Y1 Judy x 74 D4Y2 Judy x 113 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 51 FM-1 Wildcat x 18 F4U-1A Corsair x 11 F6F-3 Hellcat x 27 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged B6N2 Jill: 4 destroyed by flak D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak D4Y2 Judy: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged D4Y2 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed Allied Ships CVE Nassau, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk CVE Casablanca, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Copahee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 3, on fire BB Idaho AM Strive, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires CVE Altamaha, Bomb hits 12, and is sunk DD Trathen DD Philip DD Stevens, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Harrison DD Sigsbee, Bomb hits 2 CLAA San Juan BB Maryland PG Charleston, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Wadsworth DD Spence DD John Rodgers BB Colorado, Torpedo hits 1 LSD Ashland, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage APD Rathburne DD Morris AP William Ward Burrows, Bomb hits 1 Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 11 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 18 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 14 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 16 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 1 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 18 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 9 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 18 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 18 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 24 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 2 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 2 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb 14 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 5 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 13 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 12 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 9 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 6 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 2 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 9 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 9 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 11 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 3 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 9 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 7 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 8 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb 7 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 10 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 8 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb 4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 10000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb CAP engaged: VMF-214 /A with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 19000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes VMF-214 /B with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 3 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes VMF-214 /C with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 3 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 20000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes VC(F)-63 with FM-1 Wildcat (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 9 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes VRF-7F with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 13 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes VMF-213 with F4F-4 Wildcat (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 9 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 21000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes VMF-216 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 9 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes VMF-225 with F4U-1A Corsair (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 5 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 22000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes Massive explosion on CVE Nassau Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Altamaha Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Natoma Bay Massive explosion on DD Stevens Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Copahee Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Casablanca Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Nassau Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Stevens Ammo storage explosion on CVE Casablanca Fuel storage explosion on CVE Altamaha

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 12:45:27 PM)
And the afternoon strike... Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Midway Island at 158,91 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 20 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5b Zero x 27 A6M5c Zero x 177 B6N2 Jill x 146 D4Y1 Judy x 69 D4Y2 Judy x 98 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 13 damaged D4Y1 Judy: 10 damaged D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak D4Y2 Judy: 10 damaged Allied Ships CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire BB Colorado, Bomb hits 7, on fire PG Charleston, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk AP William Ward Burrows, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Sigsbee BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1, on fire APA Sheridan AKA Titania, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage DE Edward C. Daly, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk APA Sumter, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires DE Wileman, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk APD Kane, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AKA Libra, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk APA La Salle, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk AKA Fomalhaut, Bomb hits 1 PC Taney AM Sheldrake APD Dickerson DE Burden R. Hastings, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk APD Hatfield, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage APD Rathburne, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage DE Gilmore, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk LSD Carter Hall, Bomb hits 1 APD Lawrence, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Spence, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires CLAA San Juan, Bomb hits 1, on fire AKA Bellatrix, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage APA Bolivar, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage LSD Ashland, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 53 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 12 (6 destroyed, 6 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 1 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 20 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 12 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 16 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 10 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 17 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 9 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 17 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 12 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 21 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 7 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 3 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb 6 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 5 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 16 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 14 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 15 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp 17 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 5 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 10 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 2 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 13 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb 5 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 13 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 11 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 8 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 8 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb Carrier support unable to supply air cover.. Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Natoma Bay Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AP William Ward Burrows Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Mississippi Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Edward C. Daly Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AKA Titania Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB New Mexico Magazine explodes on DE Burden R. Hastings Heavy smoke from fires obscuring APA Sumter Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CLAA San Juan Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AKA Libra Heavy smoke from fires obscuring APA La Salle Heavy smoke from fires obscuring APD Lawrence

Encircled -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 12:54:59 PM)
Ouch! 2nd Army Tank Brigade is an Aus formation btw

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 1:07:02 PM)
Just a quick analysis... Japanese violated the rules by stacking 10 carriers into one task force...but still launched two perfect strikes. This due to the high value targets, and Abe's excellent air ratings and of course a good roll. Analysis of the Allied northern invasion fleet, which had done work in Alaska, showed it to be basically stripped of bombers and flying heavy CAP. Hence, the gamble to put almost all of the KB's fighters on escort duties. The strike was set to go in at 15K, to avoid some of the first pass AA, and to get as high as possible and yet allow divebombing. The Allied CAP was out of position and all at 10K. Some of the CAP didn't even have time to join the fight. I had about 5 dud torpedoes fail to explode, and I seriously doubt any of the Allied battleships went down. Way too many strikes on smaller ships. On further examination, one went down most like ole Miss. New Mexico is in trouble too...Idaho isn't there. Words fail at my own stupidity in losing those nice Japanese ships. I still can't figure out how they got there.[:(] But really, they are dead ships anyhow and I doubt I will even miss in the longer run other than their victory points right now. I think Jocke pulled off the ultimate cheese in having two tank units invade an atoll. Serves him right.[sm=00000028.gif] In fact, a little baffled by the attack without the deathstar being present. I don't see the hurry yet. Well, now Jocke knows where the KB is and I am sure to pay the price in a very aggressive move up New Guinea.[:(]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 1:12:17 PM)
Well, I was going to rush to flip the turn for Jocke, I already sent the replay and combat report to him. However, Jocke has kindly informed me to take my time...he is going drinking and it will be a late night for him.

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 1:21:27 PM)
Midway [image]local://upfiles/44178/E916736C43EE4E07B2050AF33F5E8EB1.jpg[/image]

GetAssista -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 1:23:14 PM)
Congratulations! Well done rebuff to an overconfident Allied war machine. Pursuit in order?

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 1:26:10 PM)
Burma bombed heavily north of Shwebo again. [image]local://upfiles/44178/F20A1AE79514406F80FF720C0CACDC7E.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 1:30:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista Congratulations! Well done rebuff to an overconfident Allied war machine. Pursuit in order? Not sure to the degree I pursue...I am worried about the deathstar...and I am also really light on combat ships and asw screens, and those ak and ap Jocke sank were going to refuel the KB so I am now not swimming in excess fuel in the area. KB does have fuel for pursuit for a day or two. Plus I need to check torpedo stores, etc. Allied ships are a long way from safety, and Midway is size 4 in perfect shape.[:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 3:37:03 PM)
Egads. By the way, those BBs are fine. Mississippi might be slowed up a little, but without seeing any kind of "heavy damage" from 3 torpedo hits leads me to believe that at least 1 of them did nothing of note, probably more like 2.

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 3:48:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Egads. By the way, those BBs are fine. Mississippi might be slowed up a little, but without seeing any kind of "heavy damage" from 3 torpedo hits leads me to believe that at least 1 of them did nothing of note, probably more like 2. 4 Kingfishers destroyed but from ops...I misread it.

Lokasenna -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/5/2017 5:35:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Egads. By the way, those BBs are fine. Mississippi might be slowed up a little, but without seeing any kind of "heavy damage" from 3 torpedo hits leads me to believe that at least 1 of them did nothing of note, probably more like 2. 4 Kingfishers destroyed but from ops...I misread it. That would imply that they had nowhere to land - if Sys or Float damage is over 30 (I think), flight ops will be disabled for the ship. With 4 of them lost to ops, I'd figure 2 BBs with damage over 30.

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 2:46:46 AM)
Finished the turn and off to the Allies... What will happen on morrow? This games fortunes turn on a dime, so I suspect a shellacking.

obvert -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 5:13:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Finished the turn and off to the Allies... What will happen on morrow? This games fortunes turn on a dime, so I suspect a shellacking. Nice work here!!! [&o] Looks like you did your homework and read the tea leaves to perfection. This is the kind of op you dream of playing the Japanese. Saving the base, hitting the amphibs, destroying some CVEs and nailing his old BBs enough they won't be back for a long while! So ... if fuel allows a day or two of pursuit is absolutely necessary, even if not with the entire KB. You know where the deathstar is located, and subs will be after your ass regardless of if you retreat or go forward. Move unexpectedly, I say, and get some more bounty. Those BBs aren't going anywhere fast and there strangely doesn't seem to be a lot of other surface cover here, right? Anyway. Have a well earned snifter, sit back and look over the sunk ships report a few more times, and give at least some of your guys a chance to finish off those BBs. [:)]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:37:15 PM)
Nov 7, 1943 Midget sub strikes...Allies left three juicy attack transports in Midway while the rest of their fleet scatters. [image]local://upfiles/44178/0CEFC9B3713B46498DF376339F5D8C8D.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:38:40 PM)
Clean up in aisle six. [image]local://upfiles/44178/4BCD3627772F4603AF1DE929F7862377.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:41:05 PM)
We find our good friend the New Mexico... [image]local://upfiles/44178/C79CCBF474114CC1B4CB2AAB3F743A05.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:42:35 PM)
And also the Colorado...more heavily damaged than thought, but she still made pretty good speed. There is an Iboat in that hex...so perhaps we will get lucky. [image]local://upfiles/44178/FEA50703E2564D1E930A4C53F2E06225.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:44:47 PM)
The Iboat isn't needed...a solid strike with 500kg bombs, sinking sounds heard later, and a kingfisher is destroyed on the ground in the final intel report. [image]local://upfiles/44178/DCE4CE1C6C4545E4B3EA1CEC8AD2B083.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:48:11 PM)
Allies enter Magwe in force but leave the backdoor empty...so I am rushing troops there to seal them off. Allies bomb both Magwe and the troops north of Shwebo, while Japan strafes and bombs the two isolated divisions SE of Shwebo. Only 1 Nick out of 120 is destroyed, and general attack follows and a good roll by the Allies get them a 1-2 but losses are good. Allied troops have malus for disruption, supply, etc. A good day. What will tomorrow bring?

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:52:09 PM)
Why no general KB pursuit at Midway? Basically because I am chicken. [:)] There are very compelling reasons why, but I will keep them compartmentalized for now. Maybe in a weeks time I will revisit the decision. Little pigs get fed, big pigs gets slaughtered.[;)]

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 12:57:34 PM)
Today's listing of ships sunk. Hope to finish of New Mexico on the morrow. [image]local://upfiles/44178/4ACFD6A2D80C41B6AF1130A17C28EC5C.jpg[/image]

Lokasenna -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 5:16:05 PM)
In all likelihood, the New Mexico's "heavy damage" is System.

obvert -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 6:32:35 PM)
Wow. Your Judys did well. That is a solid day 2. And even if one of the heavily damaged BBs makes it, it'll be back pretty late in game. If those Judys have drop tanks there might even be another day of clean-up.

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 6:48:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna In all likelihood, the New Mexico's "heavy damage" is System. I think that might be a little too pessimistic...her speed is 3 for the day. Anyhow, hopefully get another few whacks in her this next day.

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 7:04:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Wow. Your Judys did well. That is a solid day 2. And even if one of the heavily damaged BBs makes it, it'll be back pretty late in game. If those Judys have drop tanks there might even be another day of clean-up. They were kind of sitting ducks...I am disappointed I didn't get any afternoon strikes in, but my AV support is stretched super thin. If I would have sent the KB in, I think it would have been a much better day although bad weather seems to be coming in. However, a lot of my thinking right now is damage avoidance and slowing down the Yankee offensive. A spotted KB doesn't accomplish that. I keep on thinking IF I would have clicked an alternate route for the KB a month ago, the Kaga wouldn't have been hit with two torps and the strike would have been 10% stronger...but perhaps then it might have lost cohesion, and cohesion on the first strike yesterday was what won the fight decisively. You are correct that I read the tea leaves for this attack...but I wasn't fully prepared. If I would have had another week, well then there would be a lot more sunk ships. I was fully prepared on the ground, except for forts only being 4 (60%) instead of 5. But I made the decision two or three weeks ago to pull the construction for the coming attack. A correct decision decision in hindsight. When I last contemplated sending in the KB, at Darwin...I pulled back to avoid a full on clash with the Deathstar. It was then, that I made the decision to send them to Kure and await the Midway Invasion, which I felt sure would be with the Alaska carriers, battleships and invasion force -- a perfect match for the KB. I also felt sure it would be the next major invasion. Winter in the north, plus lack of dl and strong garrisons plus involved fighting already put them off the table. I did toy with the idea of sending the KB into the North Pacific to catch this group ferrying supplies and or troops forward, but decided it was too far, too much fuel, and would put the KB too far from the last known DS location. I had 40 Emilys and Mavis at Midway, and the lousy Yankees got within spitting distance before being spotted. I was hoping for one more day of warning so he did take me quite by surprise.

Lokasenna -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 7:21:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna In all likelihood, the New Mexico's "heavy damage" is System. I think that might be a little too pessimistic...her speed is 3 for the day. Anyhow, hopefully get another few whacks in her this next day. My reasoning: 1) You hit her with 250kg bombs. Did any actually penetrate the deck armor or the belt armor and get to the vitals - engine damage messages, etc? 2) The previous torpedo hits did not show heavy damage, so floatation damage was not yet to 50. Nor engine. If you didn't see messages related to either from the bomb hits, then that's not what it is. 3) Fires cause system and minor flooding damage (from being put out), so it's possible that minor flooding damage tipped her floatation over the threshold, but I'm not sure you'd see this in the combat report immediately 4) Bombs blow up on the deck, in the superstructure, and take out AA mounts - generally, causing system damage And again, you were hitting with 250kg bombs.

Lowpe -> RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury (7/6/2017 8:03:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe And the afternoon strike... Allied Ships CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire BB Colorado, Bomb hits 7, on fire PG Charleston, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk AP William Ward Burrows, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Sigsbee BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1, on fire Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB New Mexico Well this was from a day ago, and they weren't 250 kg bombs...but 500kg off which some penetrated.

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