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Seytan -> Does it make sense as the Allies? (9/7/2015 7:10:03 AM)

To set carrier torpedo bombers to the same altitude as a dive bomber if not using topedoes?
And does it make sense to simply not use torpedo bombers at all in their role early in the war?
I was curious as I understand the carrier escort of fighters are at one band for example, 10k
the Dive bombers at same and torpedo bombers set by default to 5k.



mind_messing -> RE: Does it make sense as the Allies? (9/7/2015 11:36:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Seytan

To set carrier torpedo bombers to the same altitude as a dive bomber if not using topedoes?
And does it make sense to simply not use torpedo bombers at all in their role early in the war?
I was curious as I understand the carrier escort of fighters are at one band for example, 10k
the Dive bombers at same and torpedo bombers set by default to 5k.



Yes and No.

Yes, because you want to co-ordinate your strikes as best you can, and planes flying at the same altitude helps that happen.

No, because you may want your torpedo bombers at a low altitude in case they end up flying without torpedoes (either due to a bad dice roll or torpedoes being unavailable). In addition, you also want to make it difficult for enemy CAP to intercept all your planes; having strikes at different altitudes helps with that.



crsutton -> RE: Does it make sense as the Allies? (9/7/2015 7:57:39 PM)

You Navy carrier torpedo pilots come with very decent low naval skills. That combined with the fact that they carry multiple 500lb bombs makes the avenger very effective. So it depends. vs merchant ships and small warships such as DDs and CLs I find it to be more effective to level bomb with avengers at 1,000 feet. Though the odds are much smaller, I want them using torpedoes vs bigger ships. British planes always carry a torpedo.



dr.hal -> RE: Does it make sense as the Allies? (9/8/2015 12:35:57 AM)

Your dive bombers, to effect a dive must be at an altitude from 10K to 15K. If you put your bomb laden torpedo aircraft at the same altitude, they will enjoy the protection of any fighter escort that has been assigned to the DB attack, but at that altitude there is little chance that they will hit anything (they DON'T dive-bomb) so it is a trade off. You need to lower the altitude to gain accuracy BUT that increases AA fire's impact and you would have to give the torpedo aircraft their own escort if you want to make sure they have SOME fighter protection.



Seytan -> RE: Does it make sense as the Allies? (9/8/2015 6:21:30 AM)

I guess my question really had to do with the effectiveness of the allied torpedoes, specifically the US ones.
Do the carrier planes suffer from the same detriments as the submarines do in the USN?
Or is it simply limited to the submarines?
quote:

ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Your dive bombers, to effect a dive must be at an altitude from 10K to 15K. If you put your bomb laden torpedo aircraft at the same altitude, they will enjoy the protection of any fighter escort that has been assigned to the DB attack, but at that altitude there is little chance that they will hit anything (they DON'T dive-bomb) so it is a trade off. You need to lower the altitude to gain accuracy BUT that increases AA fire's impact and you would have to give the torpedo aircraft their own escort if you want to make sure they have SOME fighter protection.




Alpha77 -> RE: Does it make sense as the Allies? (9/8/2015 12:09:11 PM)

You can check the %chance of duds for torps in tracker (or also in the in game database?)



crsutton -> RE: Does it make sense as the Allies? (9/8/2015 4:04:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Seytan

I guess my question really had to do with the effectiveness of the allied torpedoes, specifically the US ones.
Do the carrier planes suffer from the same detriments as the submarines do in the USN?
Or is it simply limited to the submarines?
quote:

ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Your dive bombers, to effect a dive must be at an altitude from 10K to 15K. If you put your bomb laden torpedo aircraft at the same altitude, they will enjoy the protection of any fighter escort that has been assigned to the DB attack, but at that altitude there is little chance that they will hit anything (they DON'T dive-bomb) so it is a trade off. You need to lower the altitude to gain accuracy BUT that increases AA fire's impact and you would have to give the torpedo aircraft their own escort if you want to make sure they have SOME fighter protection.




Yeah, best for you to learn how to navigate and read the editor. A lot of your questions can be answered there. The carrier planes carry a different torpedo than subs. It may have a different dud rate than the MK14 but is still very unreliable. I think 10/43 is the magic date when all American torpedoes finally become 90% reliable. So before that you can't rely on them. Still, I use them vs big ships because it is the torpedo that is the real ship killer.



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