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Crazypantoufle -> How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 9:19:40 AM)

Hello everyone!

I'm doing a GC as IJ against Allies AI, still in 1942, and i'm really enjoying it.

The big problem is my victory score is going to be more than 4 times the score of the AI.
And i really don't think AI can grab enough VP before the end of 1942. I've not put a foot in India or Oz, but the VP gained because of the allied ground units destroyed is just massive (close to 10000 VP, and there's still two big pockets in China and Java that are going to be cleaned)

I really want to be able to play through 1943 and 1944.

Is there a way to prevent the automatic and brutal ending in 1943? I've tried to lose VP by ungarrisonning some occupied cities, but the loss of VP is too small.

I know nothing in modding or coding, but if there's a line in a gamefile that can be changed via the Notepad, i can manage.

Maybe can i change the victory conditions in the files? Does anyone know where to find this file, and if it's changeable via simple way like Notepad?

Any help would be much appreciated, as i really don't want this GC to end because of these automatic victory rules. [&o]
I want to be able to see Georges, Francks, B29s, Fletchers, Kamikaze, and the growing pressure of allied power. [X(]

I just don't have time right now (and no skill at all as well[:o]) to play against human opponents, so GC against AI is everything for me in this game. And i had already to stop a first IJ GC before because of this automatic victory, so i've never been further than January 1943.[:(]

(Sorry for my bad English, and maybe for posting on the wrong forum, but it's not about a technical bug or a special modded scenario)



geofflambert -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 10:10:19 AM)

I'm skeptical that you're in any danger but it would help if you could post a screencap of your info screen. Here's one from the start of a game.


[image]local://upfiles/37002/2A4CA8FB5EA844DE8E9A2106F00676CC.jpg[/image]



Alpha77 -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 12:06:27 PM)

Doesnt the manual say you can play on after AV ?



Lokasenna -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 1:18:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Doesnt the manual say you can play on after AV ?


You can simply continue playing after AV is reached.



Crazypantoufle -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 1:51:28 PM)

Really?!

Thank you so much! [&o][&o][&o]

You just saved my second IJ GC!

So i stopped my 1st GC for nothing, without checking if i could continue or not after the AV. Silly me[:-]
I was so deceived to get this AV i didn't even check if there was a "continue game" button, i just left the game.

Feel much better now![:)]





Crazypantoufle -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 4:35:08 PM)

And Geofflambert, here's my info's screen:

[image][URL=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=496105score.jpg][IMG]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/496105score.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/image]



wdolson -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 5:15:35 PM)

When auto victory happens, you get a screen declaring a winner and then given a choice to continue playing or not. If you continue playing, you will never be bugged again in the game about victory.

Bill



geofflambert -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 5:59:11 PM)

I don't think you'll get an auto victory in '43. This is very near your high tide, I think. You'll continue to take more flak losses than the AI, your air-to-air losses will soon be moving towards about 1:1 and then worse probably. You won't be destroying many more on the field except when you sink a carrier. I'd stay out of Australia for the most part (the remote bases in the NW would be ok).

It looks like you've been spending PP's on things I wouldn't or excessively anyway. You probably haven't been pulling much out of Manchukuo (in PBEM games that costs PPs or should) and you'll need to to get the Chinese firmly in hand. The best bargains in my view are armor (pull it all), engineers (both combat and non), heavy artillery and AA. The heavy art. will come useful in reducing cities in China and later perhaps Burma and Luzon (if you've gotten stuck). From within China, make sure to cut it off from Burma. Even if you have Rangoon there will still be supplies coming from India overland. In China, stay out of the woods for the most part unless you're setting up defensive positions. Attacking him in that terrain is very expensive and probably won't accomplish much. You have to take control of a coastal swath running from Port Arthur to Indochina, though.

As to VPs, they're just a rough and arbitrary guide to how you're doing. If you're using a strategy that's doomed to fail, you may still run up a lot of points early. Things normally look good early for the Japanese. They've only just begun to lose. It may take a year to find out if your economy is going to collapse because of your mishandling ;-) so stay with it.

Two equally skilled human opponents will generally prove that the Japanese will always lose in the end. Wargamers aren't bothered by that. The question is can you do better than they did historically? The answer is yes. Something the game kind of ignores (in my view) is that no matter what the US will never stop until total victory, even if it goes to 1950 or beyond. The Japanese lost when they attacked PH, no actually they lost years earlier by putting their country on the course they are on when the game begins.




Numdydar -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 7:57:45 PM)

I beg to differ [:)]

I've found that Japan can easily get an AV in '43 in stock Scen 1&2 against the Allied AI or in PBEM. Since I've done both (and kept playing in both cases). In the PBEM games, I ended up eventually losing As Japan (with an Allied AV in '45) it just goes to show you, you can win but still lose [X(].

Just overrun China and expand historically is all you need to as Japan to get an AV. As long as you do not do anything stupid with your navy and lose a bunch of ships. In which case all bets are off. But just keep your main fleets in Truk/Rabeal and you should be fine.



Crazypantoufle -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 8:29:20 PM)

Bill, i really don't know how i could have missed this choice. Maybe just the pressure after so many hours spent on this GC, then just "whaaaaat? A win already?! Let just quit this game and have a normal life again!!".

2 years later, i just miserably come back to the most addicting game i've ever seen, and just try again. And fall again to this drug.

Geoff: if i was playing against a human opponent, believe me, i would not worry at all about an allied return before the end of 1942. But the AI just doesnt' care about the VP and continue to fight for every bit of land i want, even when the odds are on my side (and in stock GC against AI, AI has no HQ limits, so you can destroy so many Oz militia units in the New Guinea campaign in the firsts months). Kudo to the AI and the developpers as you're never get bored in a GC against allie AI, but if the AV was a real end like i thought it was, there was a good chance i would have taken such an advantage my GC would be in danger in january 1st 1943. But i have to recognize the AV on my 1st game was 99% pure luck (2 american CVs sunk by some godchosen submarines i totally forgot in the middle of the Pacific[X(]).
I recognize i still suck in this game, but still i love it so much (being a video game player usually, i can't explain this passion). If you saw my other strategic choices, i'm sure you would laugh even more![8|]

Numdydar: I agree with you, man, in the first months, if a good IJ player uses his huge advantages to the best at the beginning, and if the allies really try to put too much resistance, the advance in VP can become really impressive. Then add a bit (ok, a lot, in fact in my case) of luck like in my 1st GC, then this advantage can become difficult for the allies side to make a significant come back before 1943. In real games human vs human i doubt it would be a x4 VP matter, but in many AAR i read made by good IJ players, end of 1942 can still be a japanese happy time.



Alpha77 -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 8:53:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Crazypantoufle
Let just quit this game and have a normal life again!!".


Was pondering this too. [;)] It is addicting and eats time....

BTW: I usually do not care about vic points at all. I care to safeguard my forces and bases and to damage the Allied effort as far as possible.

But as for comparison I have read also some AARs (partly) and noted that the IJ players are often more experienced and more aggressive. I am mostly way behind vs. the AI, as compared to expert PBM players vs. human. LOL



Crazypantoufle -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 9:09:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alpha77


quote:

ORIGINAL: Crazypantoufle
Let just quit this game and have a normal life again!!".


Was pondering this too. [;)] It is addicting and eats time....

BTW: I usually do not care about vic points at all. I care to safeguard my forces and bases and to damage the Allied effort as far as possible.

But as for comparison I have read also some AARs (partly) and noted that the IJ players are often more experienced and more aggressive. I am mostly way behind vs. the AI, as compared to expert PBM players vs. human. LOL


Same as you, Alpha. When i read all these wonderfull IJ AAR, i never think "mmh, that's what i would have done in this situation. Good choice, mate.". I'm more like "OMFG! I would never have imagined it was possible to manage such a fantastic thing! XOXO"
Maybe the high difficulty in understanding japanese economy management creates naturally a sort of IJ players rare elite group in this game. I heard it's much more difficult to find IJ opponents for the many allies players than the opposite.

I'm one of the exception: I've only played with IJ, and my level never seem to improve despite the hours i've spent. So i try to impress the stock AI with my poor skills, as well as i try to impress my girlfriend with the Trackers datas, acting like i understand all these strange numbers that appear on my screen when i select some random options.[8|]



Alpha77 -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/8/2015 9:49:22 PM)

I think itīs now easier to find IJ opponents as more players went to "the dark side". I never could manage a PBM with this game tho. I would like to, but this needs a very patient opponent. As it would be lost cause for me, I am probably to cowardly to take this challenge anyway [;)]

Steel Panthers however per PBM was a blast, you could get a turn out in 5-10 mins depending on the size of engagement (and skill of opponent)

BTW: Judging from the intel you posted you are better than me, I have way higher aircraft losses (mostly bombers) as well not sunk as much larger ships. Which date is your game?



geofflambert -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/9/2015 1:12:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Crazypantoufle


Kudo(s) to the AI and the developpers as you're never get bored in a GC against allie AI, but if the AV was a real end like i thought it was, there was a good chance i would have taken such an advantage my GC would be in danger in january 1st 1943. But i have to recognize the AV on my 1st game was 99% pure luck (2 american CVs sunk by some godchosen submarines i totally forgot in the middle of the Pacific[X(]).
I recognize i still suck in this game, but still i love it so much (being a video game player usually, i can't explain this passion). If you saw my other strategic choices, i'm sure you would laugh even more![8|]


Never again mention the name of the devil loppers, lest they lop off more than you are prepared for. Begone JWE you foul varmint! Not really, I didn't mean that.



Crazypantoufle -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/9/2015 8:45:40 PM)

Alpha: Aaaah, Steel Panther, what a wonderfull game it was. But it was in my opinion very unbalanced: a few well placed Panthers could destroy waves of T34/87 or even JS2 before the soviet could have a chance to approach. And i don't even talk about allied tanks: only fireflys had any chance against german tanks before the end of 1944. And they were sooo expensive. Also remember about the japanese infantry squads and their crazy moral skill: you could make them charge against the sun and they would continue to advance and burn till the last soldier dies. [X(]
I am in march 1942, and was definitely lucky again. The allies seem to be in every pocket i try to make, and their planes are always happy to welcome my big sweeps when half of their fighters do some crazy LR CAP to cover some fleeing AKLs (killing a bunch of my Betties in the process, as everyone knows Betties and Nells just LOVE to attack small non important ships with high ennemy fighter cover, especially when there's no IJ fighter to escort them[:D]). I just think you would be definitely much better than me.

Geoff: I would have prefer to sink these CVs in a fair CV battle against my KB, rather than because of some SS forgotten in some place i never put mu cursor in. But US CVs seemed to be so shy in 1942 i never had a chance to catch them for a gentleman duel. Well, my undersea ninjas just caught these non honorable ennemies who just tried to avoid a fair duel with my flying samourais.[;)]



Alpha77 -> RE: How can i avoid automatic victory? (9/13/2015 12:40:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Crazypantoufle

Alpha: Aaaah, Steel Panther, what a wonderfull game it was. But it was in my opinion very unbalanced: a few well placed Panthers could destroy waves of T34/87 or even JS2 before the soviet could have a chance to approach. And i don't even talk about allied tanks: only fireflys had any chance against german tanks before the end of 1944. And they were sooo expensive. Also remember about the japanese infantry squads and their crazy moral skill: you could make them charge against the sun and they would continue to advance and burn till the last soldier dies. [X(]
I am in march 1942, and was definitely lucky again. The allies seem to be in every pocket i try to make, and their planes are always happy to welcome my big sweeps when half of their fighters do some crazy LR CAP to cover some fleeing AKLs (killing a bunch of my Betties in the process, as everyone knows Betties and Nells just LOVE to attack small non important ships with high ennemy fighter cover, especially when there's no IJ fighter to escort them[:D]).



Re. Steel Panthers, I rather take cheaper STUGs or on the Allied side hordes of T34s, SU85s, M18s etc. to overhelm the German armor. I had not had much luck with Tigers either. So you pay the huge price of the Tiger but when luck will have it, it can be immobilized in bad terrain 10km away from the frontline [:'(] I rather have 3 STUGs or normal Pz IV for the price, if one of them is immobilized I have still 2 that reach the front and can actually fight, while the Tiger is sitting in ditch and the crew playing Skat while waiting for someone to pull them out haha.

BTW: The H2H mod for SPWAW 7.1 used among other tricks to make it better for PBM play also better pricing of units. Eg. you can get 3 M4/75 for 1 Tiger E iirc. And if you have trouble with overhead firing positions of Tigers or Panthers I can tell you how to deal with this, as the USSR, GB or US....

Well the Nells/Bettys just love to fly against AMCs at or 1 hex away from harbours with huge fighter cover [:@]

Also the Oscars will gradually lose his hope even against P39 and Kittihawks: The only thing that prevents the IJA from big air catastrophes is a very careful commander and their good pilots. Their planes (at least in 41+42) not so much...



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