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Walker84 -> Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 5:57:56 PM)

Went to the Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show at Duxford on Saturday with my wife and 14 year old son.

For the finale they had assembled 17 Spitfires (well 2 were Seafires) performing squadron-sized manoeuvres and low level flypasts. Ahhh.. all those Merlin engines roaring past.. never seen so many grown men with moist eyes....

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Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:00:12 PM)

Pre-flight line-up.

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Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:02:25 PM)

Hurris and Spits.

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Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:04:59 PM)

Different angle.

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Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:06:32 PM)

Across the generations...

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warspite1 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:08:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Walker84

Went to the Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show at Duxford on Saturday with my wife and 14 year old son.

For the finale they had assembled 17 Spitfires (well 2 were Seafires) performing squadron-sized manoeuvres and low level flypasts. Ahhh.. all those Merlin engines roaring past.. never seen so many grown men with moist eyes....

[image]local://upfiles/32198/893764F1B18D4652AAD8C7B91F7674F6.jpg[/image]
warspite1

Moist eyes? I get moist pants just seeing those pictures, let alone hearing the glorious sound of the Merlin.

How can someone born 20 years after WWII feel so nostalgic for the era?? Makes no sense.....

Thanks for sharing.




Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:08:56 PM)

Only B-17 still airworthy in Europe

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Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:10:53 PM)

Taxiing out.

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Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:13:38 PM)

A Spit-fest!

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Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:13:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Walker84

Hurris and Spits.

[image]local://upfiles/32198/F2EE739A7974435284D0EA3DD6BEE9A3.jpg[/image]


Is there an easy way to identify which one is which?
I would guess that the one on the left and the one farthest right are Hurris, the rest Spits




Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:16:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury


quote:

ORIGINAL: Walker84

Hurris and Spits.



Is there an easy way to identify which one is which?
I would guess that the one on the left and the one farthest right are Hurris, the rest Spits



Looking at the photo from left to right the order is: Spit, Hurri, Spit, Hurri, Spit.




Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:25:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Walker84

Went to the Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show at Duxford on Saturday with my wife and 14 year old son.

For the finale they had assembled 17 Spitfires (well 2 were Seafires) performing squadron-sized manoeuvres and low level flypasts. Ahhh.. all those Merlin engines roaring past.. never seen so many grown men with moist eyes....

warspite1

Moist eyes? I get moist pants just seeing those pictures, let alone hearing the glorious sound of the Merlin.

How can someone born 20 years after WWII feel so nostalgic for the era?? Makes no sense.....

Thanks for sharing.



I know, its become too iconic. I guess other nations also identify with the roar of the the Pratt & Whitney or Daimler-Benz, perhaps?...




reg113 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:26:51 PM)

Hurris have a rounder tail and a 'humpback'.




ETF -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 6:29:40 PM)

WOW!!
Thanks for sharing.......




warspite1 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 7:20:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury


quote:

ORIGINAL: Walker84

Hurris and Spits.

[image]local://upfiles/32198/F2EE739A7974435284D0EA3DD6BEE9A3.jpg[/image]


Is there an easy way to identify which one is which?
I would guess that the one on the left and the one farthest right are Hurris, the rest Spits

warspite1

The shape of the Spit changed during the course of the way as the upgrades and improvements were made, but here is an early example of each.

First the Hurricane


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warspite1 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 7:23:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury


quote:

ORIGINAL: Walker84

Hurris and Spits.

[image]local://upfiles/32198/F2EE739A7974435284D0EA3DD6BEE9A3.jpg[/image]


Is there an easy way to identify which one is which?
I would guess that the one on the left and the one farthest right are Hurris, the rest Spits

warspite1

The shape of the Spit changed during the course of the way as the upgrades and improvements were made, but here is an early example of each.

First the Hurricane


[image]local://upfiles/28156/516A2FF1579E48D981F7536A7E5459B1.jpg[/image]
warspite1

Then the Spitfire


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dr.hal -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 7:50:07 PM)

Great photos, and SUNNY in England! What a combo!!!!




Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 8:18:55 PM)

We were indeed fortunate with the weather. It would have been sad if many fine planes had been grounded.




Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 9:32:32 PM)

Thanks for the pictures and the info [:)]




Walker84 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 9:56:59 PM)

No problem [:)] and I should also make a confession: my son Cameron was the assigned cameraman for the day and took these great pics and many more.




zuluhour -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 10:16:20 PM)

+1 GREAT PICS. Watched some on U-tube and the BBC. Man I'd like to hear them humm'in!




spence -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/21/2015 11:24:34 PM)

Thanks for the pics - couldn't really have been in Britain though...way too much sun.[:D]




Reg -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 12:21:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Is there an easy way to identify which one is which?



If you get to see them from above/below, the spitfire has elliptical wings* while the hurricane's wings are straight.

(* Note some late Spitfire MkVs had the wing tips removed giving a square tip and improved roll rate).

BTW: That formation in post 4 appears to be led by a Packard engined, clipped wing, bubble canopy Spitfire Mk XVIe which looks significantly different from Warspite's picture of a Mk1 above. (The design evolved over the war).





wdolson -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 12:35:02 AM)

A number of Mk IXs had clipped wings too.




Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 2:04:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Reg

If you get to see them from above/below, the spitfire has elliptical wings* while the hurricane's wings are straight.



Are you sure the Hurricane wings are straight?
in most pictures I have seen, they look rather elliptical.
Unless I am not understanding the difference between straight wings (like those on the BF109E) and elliptical (like Spitfire)
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warspite1 -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 2:12:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

quote:

ORIGINAL: Reg

If you get to see them from above/below, the spitfire has elliptical wings* while the hurricane's wings are straight.



Are you sure the Hurricane wings are straight?
in most pictures I have seen, they look rather elliptical.
Unless I am not understanding the difference between straight wings (like those on the BF109E) and elliptical (like Spitfire)
[image]local://upfiles/41287/9555E91B45E34FF88D7F2870EE2B9856.jpg[/image]
warspite1

Agreed, they are not 'dead straight' the whole length of the wing, but this is eliptical....


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Reg -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 3:07:08 AM)


Elliptical wings can sometimes be difficult to pick visually but they all conform with the criteria "Elliptical taper shortens the chord near the wingtips in such a way that all parts of the wing experience equivalent downwash".*

This is usually achieved by having wing chord (width) at any point being set as a calculation of distance from the wing root. Consequently there isn't a straight edge on the whole wing. This is very efficient wing design but hard to manufacture.

The Hurricane wing might be better described as tapered but both the leading and trailing edges are as straight as a ruler for most of their length. No wing is perfectly straight and you need curves somewhere....)

* Wikipedia Reference - I know but aerodynamics is a complex topic and it is hard to find a definition that isn't a PhD thesis...) [:(]

(Trying to keep this simple.....) [;)]





wdolson -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 3:28:06 AM)

The line of the leading and trailing edge of the wing on the Hurricane are close to straight lines from the root to the tip. The wing tapers as you go outward, but that's because the two lines are not parallel. The Spitfire has a relatively straight leading edge with only a slight curve and the trailing edge curves quite a bit, especially from the ailerons out to the wingtip. It gives the Spitfire a kind of oval shaped wing and makes the silhouette unique.

Bill




geofflambert -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 11:33:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Reg

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Is there an easy way to identify which one is which?



If you get to see them from above/below, the spitfire has elliptical wings* while the hurricane's wings are straight.

(* Note some late Spitfire MkVs had the wing tips removed giving a square tip and improved roll rate).

BTW: That formation in post 4 appears to be led by a Packard engined, clipped wing, bubble canopy Spitfire Mk XVIe which looks significantly different from Warspite's picture of a Mk1 above. (The design evolved over the war).




The tail surface area on the Spit is generally less, the wings are broader front to back at the fuselage, the engine compartment is proportionately larger and the Spit usually has a four bladed prop and the Hurri three. In theory the most efficient number of blades would be one if you could balance it somehow. Since you're somewhat limited in the length of the blades (it's not good if they hit the ground) you have to add blades to take full advantage of greater engine power. Just looking at the Spit's wings you know it's going to be a kite, sort of like the difference between a Fokker Dr-1 and a Camel. edit: I meant a Sopwith Camel, not the four legged kind the Arabs fly.

Reg, why the Packard engines? Was it because the P-51's were sucking up all the Merlin's? That's something way over my head (not that that's saying much) but the difference between a P-51 with a Packard and a P-51 with a Merlin is huge, not so much for a Spit I suppose.




Erkki -> RE: Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Air Show pics (9/22/2015 11:40:18 AM)

Also, Spit has a radiator under a wing (Mark V and earlier) or both (the rest of them). Hurricane's radiator is under the fuselage.

Packard engine? You probably mean the RR Griffon.




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