Anybody noticed USN subs got better in 2.3?

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Philwd -> Anybody noticed USN subs got better in 2.3? (3/22/2003 1:38:52 PM)
Maybe I'm just hitting an unlucky streak here but since my PBEM upgraded to 2.3 my esteemed opponents' named USN fleet subs have hit 5/6 times with torps. In 2.2 it was like 1/7 attacks which seemed very historical for the period. S-boats still their usual uber self. Has anyone else noticed this USN improvement? My escorts seem to be running away. Not once have they attacked although this is very ordinary behavior. Probably all wearing dresses as they (wo)man the depth charges. In fact his subs so fear my escorts last turn Triton surfaced and hit a freighter with 36 shells and 1 torp with DDs running around doing who knows what. I can live with this if I am the only one seeing this. Just wanted to see what others are seeing. Thanks, Quark

UV-Junkie -> Re: Anybody noticed USN subs got better in 2.3? (3/30/2003 4:25:49 AM)
I noticed the same thing. I started Scenario 16 as a PBEM using v2.3 and it seemed every day for the first two or three weeks, I saw one or two Jap ships getting torped by US subs. They never missed. Now it is about 50/50, so maybe it was a string of bad luck. On top of that, my Jap subs are not attacking. It is now 6 weeks into the battle and of all my subs, only one attacked one time. They are sitting in all the big ports and US combat ships and transports are coming and going without triggering an attack. I have tried both Human control and Computer control and still nothing. Has anyone else noticed this?

Oleg Mastruko -> (3/30/2003 5:28:20 AM)
I did NOT notice increased efficency of US subs in 2.30, but DID notice decreased efficency of IJN subs. In one of my games, started under 2.30 we put IJN sub doctrine on (first time in my personal history of playing this game) and my (IJN) subs haven't attcked ANYTHING at all in 46 turns of the game. O.

Attack Condor -> Location, Location, Location....... (3/30/2003 5:48:59 AM)
[QUOTE][I]originally posted by Quark[/I] [B]Maybe I'm just hitting an unlucky streak here but since my PBEM upgraded to 2.3 my esteemed opponents' named USN fleet subs have hit 5/6 times with torps. In 2.2 it was like 1/7 attacks which seemed very historical for the period. S-boats still their usual uber self.[/B][/QUOTE] The only thing I could add would be the fact that [I]Triton[/I] was lurking just south of Truk when this attack happened; were the escorts new to the theater? Inexperience may have had them looking on the wrong side of the transport when the [I]Triton[/I] hit...

UV-Junkie -> (3/30/2003 5:53:40 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oleg Mastruko [B]I did NOT notice increased efficency of US subs in 2.30, but DID notice decreased efficency of IJN subs. In one of my games, started under 2.30 we put IJN sub doctrine on (first time in my personal history of playing this game) and my (IJN) subs haven't attcked ANYTHING at all in 46 turns of the game. O. [/B][/QUOTE] I have IJN sub doctrine on as well. In previous versions with sub doctrine turned on, my Jap subs were always attacking and now they never do (48 turns into battle) - looks like a new bug???

Philwd -> (3/30/2003 6:27:04 AM)
Under 2.2 with sub doctrine on my subs let numerous troop convoys sail over their heads. But I would get hits on warships. After 2.3 my opponent had gotten more careful with his ships but I still got a couple torp hits in. Attack Condor: the escorts were not new and their experience was typical of IJN DDs. Their ASW was a normal 4. We'll have to see what happens in our new game. Thanks for the replies, Quark

Yamamoto -> (3/30/2003 12:02:09 PM)
Under the new rules if a sub is spotted it doesn't get any attacks that turn I believe. That may explain why the poster above who's subs were sitting in port were not attacking. My subs are doing pretty well when they stay away from port. I also like hitting ships out there because it gives flotation damage a chance to go to work before they can make it to a port. Yamamoto

UV-Junkie -> (3/31/2003 10:44:23 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yamamoto [B]Under the new rules if a sub is spotted it doesn't get any attacks that turn I believe. That may explain why the poster above who's subs were sitting in port were not attacking. My subs are doing pretty well when they stay away from port. I also like hitting ships out there because it gives flotation damage a chance to go to work before they can make it to a port. Yamamoto [/B][/QUOTE] Hi Yamamoto, I didn't see the 'spotted sub can't attack' rule in any of the update documents. Do you know where I could find it? Even if it were true, my opponent has US subs in all my major ports (which have ASW and Naval search a/c) and his subs are attacking all the time :( Even my subs under computer control haven't attacked yet. Are your Jap subs attacking using v2.3? If so, do you have Jap sub doctrine turned on?

Yamamoto -> (3/31/2003 12:48:46 PM)
I think I was wrong about that one. I was confusing it with the rule where once one sub in a hex makes an attack no other sub in the same hex can make an attack. So basically just forget everything I said. :) Yamamoto

Apollo11 -> Something seems wrong here for IJN subs... (3/31/2003 3:30:42 PM)
Hi all, I have two (2) PBEMS going on with me as Japanese player. One is "Grand Campaign" (scenario #19) and another is short one. In both games the "Japanese Sub Doctrine" is OFF. In "Grand Campaign" my Japanese subs attacked just once in 18-19 turns of game (and that one attack was two hits on CV Yorktown). I even had them lined up and I knew that heavily damaged enemy ships passed over them (4 subs in 4 HEXes) but no attacks. So... what can I say... I wish that they attacked more but those two torpedo hits on US CV "somehow" rectified that... :-) BTW, US subs in this game hit many of my ships. In my second PBEM (scenario #2) my submarines were also lined up and I know for sure that enemy ships passed over all of them (I had 8 subs lined up) but in all moves so far they attacked just once (and that was miss against lone AP). All in all... I really don't know what to think... but I seem that Japanese submarines are really somehow affected with current UV v2.30 patch... Leo "Apollo11"

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