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delete1 -> Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/11/2015 10:31:38 PM)

Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955

October 6, 2015 Alexander Vershinin, special to RBTH

Today Russia is a world leader in the development and production of anti-aircraft missiles, with its S-300 and S-400 systems still unequalled and able to take out even Stealth bombers if required. Just 70 years ago, such a lethal air shield was unimaginable on the ground.

The Second World War showed that artillery had irrevocably lost its age-old mastery of the combat space, unable to compete with the far greater range and fire power of rapidly developing aviation technology. But since planes were flown by people, the weakness of air power lay in the many months and years it took to train skilled pilots. Consequently, Western armies began to develop unmanned missile-based anti-aircraft weapon systems to help even the field.

In the Soviet Union this work began in the war years, led by engineer Sergo Beria, son of Stalin's Commissar of Internal Affairs Lavrenty Beria. The Beria Jr.’s project was a success: In 1951, using the facilities of a secret enterprise, the engineer’s team was able to create a flying projectile that could even pierce a sea cruiser’s armor.

- http://rbth.com/defence/2015/10/06/russias_air_defense_systems_keeping_aerial_foes_in_check_since_1955_49843.html)



delete1 -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/11/2015 10:37:40 PM)

100 years of Russian air defense: The principal milestones of the centenary

March 9, 2015 Alexander Korolkov, special to RBTH

The year 2015 marks 100 years since the very first air defense systems were put into action in Russia. RBTH looks back at how Russia's air defense evolved from the customized navy cannons that served as the earliest anti-aircraft guns to the S-400 system, capable of shooting down any target in the stratosphere.

Air defense systems appeared as soon as airplanes were spotted over the battlefields of World War I. It is still not clear who was the first in Russia to use military planes and how successfully, but by 1915 all the warring countries had airplanes in their arsenals.

The first anti-aircraft system in Russia was created after the beginning of WWI and protected Petrograd [St. Peterburg], the Russian capital at the time. As was no special anti-aircraft technology at the time, 75-mm navy canons were adapted to shoot at the sky and thus defend the city.

The Russian defenders' first success occurred only after a year, when an anti-aircraft unit under the leadership of Captain V. Tarnavsky shot down a plane for the first time in Russian history, a German one. On Dec. 13, 1915 General Alexeyev, head of the Supreme Headquarters, signed a decree on the formation of four separate light batteries "for firing on military airplanes."

In 1932 the Soviet Union began developing a single anti-aircraft system. By the beginning of WWII the anti-aircraft's destroyer aviation had received I-15 destroyers, and later the even faster YAK-3s. These were equipped with the 85-mm, 76-mm and 37-mm anti-aircraft guns. The military then acquired projectors, new, more powerful radio transmitters, reliable wire communication, cars and other technology.

- http://rbth.com/defence/2015/03/09/100_years_of_russian_air_defense_the_principal_milestones_of_the_cent_44273.html)



thewood1 -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/12/2015 1:03:45 AM)

Is this in the right forum?



TheWombat_matrixforum -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/12/2015 7:58:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thewood1

Is this in the right forum?


Eh, these posts on Russian defense stuff fit more or less into the general discussion of modern warfare (something that this forum has more or less embraced). Feel free to post your thoughts on the issues of course--Daniel and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of this stuff but it's interesting reading nonetheless.

Sadly, there is not much contemporary news reporting on Cold War wars that never happened, so this is what we have to play with



Mad Russian -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/12/2015 9:44:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thewood1

Is this in the right forum?


Could be if it's about modern military formations from around the world. We discuss not only the game but weaponry and conflicts as well. We do try to shy away from politics.

Good Hunting.

MR



TheWombat_matrixforum -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/13/2015 12:12:46 PM)

Of course, shying away from politics is tough because war is, after all, the continuation of politics by other means. It's all inherently political; NATO and WP force structure during the Cold War was a reflection of a lot more than just technology. Both sides fielded forces that exemplified and reflected their political, social, and cultural contexts. You can't even quantify the fighting abilities of troops in a game without getting political; values for morale, command, durability, etc. are all essentially political judgements. And of course, even the nitty-gritty tech details came about in a political context--which things got focused on, and why, and how they were produced or were not produced, etc.

But yeah, it's generally possible to avoid finger-wagging, name-calling, and chest-thumping political debates.....



delete1 -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/13/2015 11:08:02 PM)

Agree. This was more in line of a general modern warfare exchange of informations. It is indeed hard to keep away from politics. As Wombat mentioned...politics are everywhere...but you all are right, we can try to avoid that as much as possible. I confess that I am biased to Russian weaponry and equipments, but that is just and only me. That's a very personal opinion and it is at the other hand far from consider them the best in every aspect. The devs can always warn me if I cross some sort of line here. No problem. I will always follow the rules of the community. Good gaming for all of you! Cheers.



Mad Russian -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/13/2015 11:16:44 PM)

We have only had one real issue that I remember since we started some of the 'current event' type posts. For the most part everybody realizes they have their own personal bias and keep that to a minimum where possible.

I would hate to see the level of communication and interaction reduced from what we have currently built on.

Good Hunting.

MR



ivanov -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/14/2015 2:57:03 AM)

People are biased and it's only natural due to the accessibility of the sources. For example someone living in Russia would primarily have different sources regarding the conflict in Ukraine, than someone living in the west. As to the politics - IMO it should be avoided like a plague. I don't think it's relevant in purely military/technical discussions, plus it's unnecessarily inflammatory. We are not academics engaged in the interdisciplinary discussions. Most of the people lack the tools to do it anyway. On this forum I'd like to talk about blowing the stuff up, that's all. Discussing politics over the internet, is an exercise in futility anyway.



Stimpak -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/14/2015 4:13:45 AM)

Considering the various other Wargaming communities I've been in - I concur. Politics brings forth nationalists, and that is a whole other toxin.



TheWombat_matrixforum -> RE: Russia’s air defense systems: Keeping aerial foes in check since 1955 (10/14/2015 8:48:43 PM)

This is certainly not a new phenomenon. In the seventies, playing paper and cardboard wargames at weekly meet-ups, there would always be a smattering of, um, really intense people. Some were "steelheads," who lived and breathed everything Nazi. Some were simply rabid anti-communists, who would never play the USSR side in any game. Others were at the opposite extreme; fewer in number, they made up for that in their fervent belief in their own brand of anti-fascism, which usually meant playing whoever was fighting the USA in whatever games were going on.

And then there were the wars over Tolkien, and whether The Lord of the Ring was really that good. But that was another level of crazy....



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