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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 28 (11/8/2015 2:19:07 AM)

WA’s take a hex and drop a para brigade behind enemy lines ,which is rounded up and sent off to a POW camp. Not very good weather for para drops. The Gustov Line is reinforced.
In Germany WA’s do night bombing during snow.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 28 (11/8/2015 11:18:17 AM)

The lines hold vs 9 attacks. As new divisions come on line northern Italy and France are being reinforced.

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KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 28 (11/8/2015 2:32:47 PM)

The Times- Bob Hope entertained the men of the Mighty 8th Army Air Force this weekend. Mr. Hope revealed the Germans response to the Allied bombing of the Reich's fuel and industrial complex.

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KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/8/2015 6:06:34 PM)

"Standard invasion of Sicily, then Sardinia then Italy.

Yes he is bombing railnet ect, but it has little effect as depots are in place by turn 3.

His bombing of Germany is standard Ruhr and Subs and railnet. I am handling LW basicly same way as before with a few tweaks.

KWG seems to have a good handle on the WA air game, invasion mechanics ect.

Solid player.

I am using basic strategy I have always used "


Thankyou for the compliment.



"Anzio landing I simply don't bother pushing back into sea as it is hard for me because of hills, but north of that I can quickly wall of to the beachhead with strong SS divisions. "

I did a little dance when I read that, as it was what was planned.




KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/8/2015 7:54:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Seminole

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WAs invaded Italy!!


The WA waited until November (turn 20) to invade mainland?

What do the naval interdiction numbers look like off the beaches? Are you contesting it at all?
Allies having to go a long way in the rain is a nice equalizer for the Luftwaffe.

Axis abandon Sardinia and Corsica per your usual?

quote:

The logistics chain was in place before invasions, so as long as lines are static supplies will not be an issue


Have the WA gone after your Italian rail network (railyards, not rail interdiction)? Fill us in a little on what happened the first 20 weeks of the war. I presume both sides weren't just twiddling thumbs...


Some of the delay was due to mouse error, some due to design. Hit the beaches in Oct. with large invasion south of Rome. One week later smaller invasion at Salerno. Very bad weather over North Italy and bad weather over Salerno. Allied Air Force was on the defense so this seemed a good idea.
Ive been hitting the RRyards every chance. Been bombing them in NW europe since fall '43.
Strategic targets and help to balance allied ground loses.

Its been Hell's angels over Hamburg region in the winter of 43-44. Biggest losses Ive seen, for both sides.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/8/2015 9:49:47 PM)

No Attacks

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/8/2015 9:51:54 PM)

90th PD holds 5 times vs XIII Corp. Unit manpower has dropped from 25k to 20k.
At the Anzio BH 3rd PD holds vs 3 attacks and the FZ is dropped to 0 so I will move in another division to hold hex and change out SU’s.
Over Germany the RAF is bombing only at night and 8th AF bombs the Ruhr during the day. Both hit the V sites. The skys over Germany during the day are safe for now.

I am rotating out SU’s as they are not subject to interdiction, they play a much bigger roll then they did in WitE.
Rotating out 3 SU’s can make a difference of 5 CV. I move 10SS PD to 90th hex and fill it up with 3 fresh SU’s.
SU use is very very important to keeping front line CV strong.


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KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/9/2015 1:55:11 AM)

Day bombing targets Panzer production.
Night bombing takes the war to the capital of the Third Reich.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/9/2015 8:46:58 AM)

90th PD was attacked 4 more times this turn and they held vs all. I will rotate out the SU’s and leave the 157th MT regiment in the hex. The total manpower # is over 30,000, last turn it was under 20k. 15th AF is still heavly bombing the rail yards and ports to no avail as German front line supplies and CV increase with each passing turn. Recon has identified 7 Tank divisions in Italy.

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KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/9/2015 11:10:28 PM)

To make it official and on the books:

Victory Points = VPs showing - 36. (36 if 0; 37 if -1)

Correct?



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/10/2015 12:55:33 AM)

Allied Forces HQ reported the capture of 3,000 British soldiers as the result of a commando raid on a Italian port that went wrong. Confirmed was the Allied capture of 2 mountains on the Volturno Line.



loki100 -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/10/2015 5:55:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Pelton

90th PD was attacked 4 more times this turn and they held vs all. I will rotate out the SU’s and leave the 157th MT regiment in the hex. The total manpower # is over 30,000, last turn it was under 20k. 15th AF is still heavly bombing the rail yards and ports to no avail as German front line supplies and CV increase with each passing turn. Recon has identified 7 Tank divisions in Italy.



so a major part of your play is based on abusing the SU allocation system? Helps avoid the entire interdiction element of the game design as I guess nobody expected someone to abuse the system rather than see it as an essential abstraction.



Seminole -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/10/2015 1:48:13 PM)

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To make it official and on the books:
Victory Points = VPs showing - 36
Correct?


Can someone post the VP screen?



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/10/2015 2:20:45 PM)

My last turn it was showing around +60-70VP i think.
Will take pic.



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/10/2015 2:22:08 PM)

Propaganda leaflets dropped on German troops.

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Seminole -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/10/2015 2:22:14 PM)

Thanks, I'm really curious in the breakdowns (city, bombing, u-boat, etc.) of different strategies moreso than their sum, so the screenshot is appreciated.



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 (11/10/2015 3:13:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Seminole

Thanks, I'm really curious in the breakdowns (city, bombing, u-boat, etc.) of different strategies moreso than their sum, so the screenshot is appreciated.


will do.

It's April '44 and England has been under very bad weather for 2 weeks.
Much needed rest for the times to come.

To not bomb the railyards would be a greater mistake than the Germans resupplying by air/ports.
A bigger affect is on the movement of units, replacement troops/afv and every thing else that moves on rails.
The invasion of Italy was planned for long term not for quick gains, unless the opportunity was there.



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/10/2015 11:02:33 PM)

Where to invade.


Amsterdam - Flanders
The plodder terrain has the same good and bad as does the hedgerows of Normandy.
Best location for a drive on Germany.

Pas de Calais
Lots of ports, open terrain. lots of open terrain at border with Picardy.
Close to shortest drive on Germany.

Picardy
Lots of open terrain, small towns with ports, one big port at Le Harve.

Normandy
Hedgerows both good and bad. Few ports.

Brittany/Poitou
Lots of open terrain for mobile warfare. Hunting fields for Allied aircraft.
Farthest from Germany but this is the same for Germans.

With all regions having positive and negative, it almost begs for a double invasion - together or weeks apart. Or a maximum effort at one point.



Q-Ball -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/11/2015 2:38:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KWG

Where to invade.


Amsterdam - Flanders
The plodder terrain has the same good and bad as does the hedgerows of Normandy.
Best location for a drive on Germany.

Pas de Calais
Lots of ports, open terrain. lots of open terrain at border with Picardy.
Close to shortest drive on Germany.

Picardy
Lots of open terrain, small towns with ports, one big port at Le Harve.

Normandy
Hedgerows both good and bad. Few ports.

Brittany/Poitou
Lots of open terrain for mobile warfare. Hunting fields for Allied aircraft.
Farthest from Germany but this is the same for Germans.

With all regions having positive and negative, it almost begs for a double invasion - together or weeks apart. Or a maximum effort at one point.


One thing to keep in mind, if you invade initially in only one zone, he will be required to still garrison all the other zones. I would try to keep an invasion entirely within one zone initially for this reason; it will effectively pin something like 200-250 AV, which is alot, especially on top of the garrison in N. Italy

You also have a decision to make on that Anzio beachhead. You probably have to maintain an AMPHIB there, or evacuate it. Tough call. It's tying down German troops, and he will keep units there to prevent a breakout. I would probably leave it for now, and roll with 7 amphibs in France, just my opinion.

As far as the regions, Pas de Calais is unfortunately broken up by ports, so that is not a good spot IMO. Holland is a good place to land secondarily, but it's too easy to get pinned to the polders. I favor Brittany or Picardy, but that's just me....Normandy a possibility, though bocage is a problem. At least in Normandy, Cherbourg should be an easy grab.



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/11/2015 4:07:43 PM)

APnews- April 15,1944

Guten Tag Herr Meier!

Daylight bombing of Berlin. US bombers and fighters flew over Berlin for the first time.
8th AAF reports intense combat in the skys of the Reich's capital.
"We will destroy the Luftwaffe" said General Doolittle.
Reichsmarschall "Herr Meier" Goering could not be reached for comment.


In the Italian Theatre good weather saw the resumption of Allied attacks and the liberation of the ancient town of Capua from Fascist control. As one British platoon leader said after the battle "Hannibal smiles at us."

When asked about the high casualty rate of Allied Forces General Eisenhower stated "We cannot defeat Nazi Germany without taking casualties. However, they will not have been in vain. Objectives will be met that will result in the achievement of the total destruction of our enemy"

Allied Intelligence reports the disappearance of the Hermann Goering Panzer Division from action in Italy.
"Must be going to Berlin to cleanup after the bombing" said one unnamed source.



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/11/2015 4:18:29 PM)

A VP look. This is with 2 weeks of very bad weather over England.


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KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/12/2015 12:13:28 AM)

Battle of the Appian Way


Outnumbered, 3-1 infantry and 8-1 afv, German forces hold the line.

German 7.92mm antitank rifles are small but have big stopping power.
A hail of fire from 20mm AA guns at 50meters (or is it yards?)
Motorcycle squad fires the most per element, hits the most.

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KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/12/2015 12:18:01 AM)

Battle of the Appian Way

Allied forces get in close but cannot put out a good rate of accurate firepower.

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KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/14/2015 2:05:58 PM)

Battle of the Appian Way


Got me to wondering. Are a tanks machine guns under represented - (under fired)?



Kronolog -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/14/2015 2:41:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KWG

Battle of the Appian Way


Got me to wondering. Are a tanks machine guns under represented - (under fired)?


I would say that it is not only tanks, but also artillery and most of the other heavy armaments that are too weak, especially on the offensive. It seems to me to be impossible to bleed the Germans dry without heavy air support as the allies, even if you have a clear superiority in artillery and armour.



Helpless -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/14/2015 3:13:47 PM)

I was able to dislodge German stack in this hex when was looking at the save to fix interdict hex selection.

Was switching almost all FB to bomb units and added ground support AD. Although had to deal with level 3 German fort on turn 45 and lots of AA losses.



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/14/2015 10:54:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Helpless

I was able to dislodge German stack in this hex when was looking at the save to fix interdict hex selection.

Was switching almost all FB to bomb units and added ground support AD. Although had to deal with level 3 German fort on turn 45 and lots of AA losses.


I was flying all interdiction and no ground support. Thinking I needed some AA MG support units to put out a good ROF.



Seminole -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/15/2015 1:04:12 PM)

KWG what have your task forces been up to when you were making all those fruitless coastal attacks? Is there a reason you eschewed supporting naval gunfire to suppress the Germans?



Seminole -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/15/2015 1:04:12 PM)

Double post



KWG -> RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. (11/15/2015 2:34:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Seminole

KWG what have your task forces been up to when you were making all those fruitless coastal attacks? Is there a reason you eschewed supporting naval gunfire to suppress the Germans?


I would say not say fruitless as Ive attacked over the winter to make the Germans use ammo. I have task forces there and have used them in the attacks. FOW shows nothing even off of Anzio.



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