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battlevonwar -> Operation Typhoon (12/2/2015 5:24:04 AM)

Last year I had decided to dig into WW2 History, I found this book and it went into archives such as individual soldier's and commander's letter's in a way that I had never read. I am certain there are a dozen great novels on this subject but this was quite incredible.

In game the object of a push on Moscow is not a Prime Objective. Though historically how many of you agree that this was the victory objective and only one that would for tell the future of Europe?

The Drive on Moscow 1941, By: Niklas Zetterling, Anders Frankson

Just a few points that I would add. The Soviets had packed up to move on out to fight from the Urals. So it's very likely an end to the war would never had happened. The amount of Reserves and Soldiers on The Russian Side was unbelievable. The GHC blundered here(if I remember correctly the Germans had no clue they had finally stepped into the Hornet's nest). Plus the time wasted on other objectives and there is a constant and continual discussion of mud. The letters of the average German soldier did nothing but complain about weather, mud and conditions endlessly.

When I have started in game as the German side you want to make the game playable and I know little objectives are what do this. Nobody know's if an all out on Moscow would have changed things. However I am sitting here thinking that I'm punished for aiming for Moscow immensely and Typhoon to me is the ultimate Victory. I have not finished all the manuals or even my first game but picking the Moscow Objective is Punished, would be nice to see more for this objective. Also very deep and enlightening game so far on points of history and points on both sides !!!



zakblood -> RE: Operation Typhoon (12/2/2015 5:40:05 AM)

imo a better read would be one of the books here 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/archaeology/napoleon_army_01.shtml


and see how a past master also got it wrong



battlevonwar -> RE: Operation Typhoon (12/2/2015 5:54:58 AM)

Link didn't work, but I will have to read up on Nappy at some point. I have watched dozens of documentaries on him and his campaign East... People don't learn


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ORIGINAL: zakblood

imo a better read would be one of the books here 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/archaeology/napoleon_army_01.shtml


and see how a past master also got it wrong




zakblood -> RE: Operation Typhoon (12/2/2015 6:17:51 AM)

copy and paste into browser, it's not a hot link, but does work, and does give some good reasons why both don't work, it's all about, distance, supply and the bane of both the weather[;)]



BodyBag33 -> RE: Operation Typhoon (12/2/2015 10:04:09 AM)

Well, Moscow in 1941 was very different than in 1812.

The Soviet Union was extremely centralised, and Moscow was the nervecenter for all communication, planning and decision-making in this giant country.
It is not unconcieveable that with Moscow knocked out, the rest of the Soviet Regime would have folded, or at least find it very hard to fight on.

The panic in Moscow was real, and when it looked the worst, Stalin actually offered the whole of Belarus to Hitler for peace. This was rejected, and the secret negotiations was cancelled.

Imagine a nightmare scenario with Hitler-Germany at peace to the East, and with the vast ressources of Belarus to fuel his war-machine against the West!



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