RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work

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Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (12/30/2015 11:52:05 AM)
25/2/44 Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bowen at 97,146 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft M6A1 Seiran x 3 No Japanese losses Allied Ships xAKL Siberoet, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk Allied ground losses: 114 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 3 x M6A1 Seiran bombing from 7000 feet * Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (12/30/2015 11:53:18 AM)
27/2/44 Morning Air attack on TF, near Rockhampton at 100,150 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft M6A1 Seiran x 3 No Japanese losses Allied Ships xAK Edwin M. Stanton, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x M6A1 Seiran launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (12/30/2015 11:54:48 AM)
29/2/44 Morning Air attack on TF, near Townsville at 96,144 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft M6A1 Seiran x 3 Japanese aircraft losses M6A1 Seiran: 1 damaged Allied Ships xAK John Bartram Aircraft Attacking: 3 x M6A1 Seiran launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo MISSED!!!!

Dili -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/2/2016 6:20:21 PM)
You already expended more than 4 torpedoes [:'(]

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/3/2016 3:28:27 PM)
Maybe they stored them in the tubes as well ?

Dili -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/3/2016 4:27:58 PM)
That is an option yes. But you cannot use the submarine for torpedoing. I mean if the mission is designed to be only aerial attack then i don't think is gamey to allow for that and use the space inside torpedo tubes to have more aircraft torpedoes. That leds me to think that IJN could have designed that the submarine fired aerial torpedos too instead of the usual 533mm submarine torpedos. Then they would have had much more mission flexibility.

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/3/2016 5:21:21 PM)
Fair comments - We are playing scn 2 so its a bit of a what if anyway. My plan is only to use the I400 and her sister soon to arrive only to hunt with the planes.So far she has bagged 3 or 4 ships. The allied player is hunting her and her consorts at the moment.

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/4/2016 5:47:56 PM)
Check this: http://navy.memorieshop.com/Subs/I-400.html Apparently it had a big infestation problem... I cannot take out of my head the image of how the living conditions might had been for the 200+ men ... plus hundreds of rats and thousands of roaches... all cozy together in that dark and cramped space "While you were at Sasebo I was in Yokosuka with the Proteus group. When the I-400 entered Yokosuka I was detailed, along with a few marines, to accompany the squadron doctor for a medical inspection of the boat. This was quite an experience - as you so eloquently described in your report. The sub was incredibly filthy, with a layer of grease and left-over food on the decks and rats running freely in every compartment. The stench was almost unbearable, particularly near the heads where one of our party lost his breakfast as he was hovering over the sanitary tank opening. Despite the unhygienic conditions we witnessed, the physical appearance of the crew was remarkably good. Everyone seemed to be lean and alert. I think that in the closing weeks of the war, the Japanese submarine crews realized the collapse of the Empire was imminent and morale dropped sharply. Incidentally, when we questioned the ship's officers as to the total complement, the reply was 187. By our count it was 213, I believe. "

BBfanboy -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/5/2016 12:16:48 AM)
Maybe the Air Unit is not considered part of the sub's complement, the way a CV air group is separate from the host ship. Found an interesting pic of a Seiran at the NA&SM in Washington: [image]local://upfiles/35791/25DBB164CBC440FBBCC52F778728326B.jpg[/image]

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/12/2016 7:41:43 PM)
14/3/44 Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Belep Islands at 109,150 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 24 minutes Japanese aircraft M6A1 Seiran x 2 No Japanese losses Allied Ships xAP Thomas A. Edison, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 2 x M6A1 Seiran bombing from 7000 feet * Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb About 3 subs with I400 have now been sunk allies hunting with a CV and CVE - One jap sub I6 sinks the CVE in the preceeding turn...

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/15/2016 11:52:38 AM)
20/3/44 I400 detected and damaged by allied ASW 7 SYS, 26 FLT , 7 ENGINE - time to head fro Japan ASW attack near Belep Islands at 110,152 Japanese Ships SS I-400, hits 3 Allied Ships YMS-241 xAK Michael Goulandris xAK Rona xAK Boero xAK Queda xAK City of Yokohama xAK Adrastus xAK Masula xAK West Notus SC-1068 SC-984 SS I-400 is sighted by escort I-400 diving deep .... SC-1068 fails to find sub and abandons search SC-984 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC-984 attacking submerged sub .... SC-984 is out of ASW ammo SC-984 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC-984 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC-984 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC-984 fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub But she launched the planes - but lost one - so that makes one left Morning Air attack on TF, near Belep Islands at 110,153 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft M6A1 Seiran x 2 Japanese aircraft losses M6A1 Seiran: 1 destroyed by flak Allied Ships xAK Barbara Olson Aircraft Attacking: 1 x M6A1 Seiran launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Dili -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/15/2016 4:13:46 PM)
Overall a good mission but floatplanes are favored by this game.

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/15/2016 4:37:55 PM)
No more Seiran until October but I have changed a couple of small factories to try and speed up I have I 401 arriving in 8 days. What would be another FP that is realistic to load on these subs... yes they sank 2 ships and damaged 2 others ( and tied up a lot of allied ASW and 2 CVE and a CV one CVE was sunk). I did not place one of the reports by mistake. I find FP mostly very fragile in the game...

rustysi -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/15/2016 9:53:08 PM)
quote: What would be another FP that is realistic to load on these subs... Not sure as I haven't seen anything about how the Seiran was stowed. I imagine the Glen would fit, but it really doesn't have the same capabilities. The Glen when stowed on the subs that carried her came apart like a jigsaw puzzle. The I-400's were a different beast, actually two hulls that were joined. Needed to be that way to accommodate the large hanger for the A/C. I would imagine that the A/C would at least need some sort of folding wings, and I don't know if the Japanese float planes had this capability.

BBfanboy -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/16/2016 12:19:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rustysi quote: What would be another FP that is realistic to load on these subs... Not sure as I haven't seen anything about how the Seiran was stowed. I imagine the Glen would fit, but it really doesn't have the same capabilities. The Glen when stowed on the subs that carried her came apart like a jigsaw puzzle. The I-400's were a different beast, actually two hulls that were joined. Needed to be that way to accommodate the large hanger for the A/C. I would imagine that the A/C would at least need some sort of folding wings, and I don't know if the Japanese float planes had this capability. The pontoons, struts, wings and (I think) the propeller had to be disassembled to stow them in the hangar. Jakes would be too large and gamey to use them (Range 10 is just too much capability) but I would not object to a player using Petes which are only slightly larger than the Glen, have the same range, and could possibly have been modified to have removable parts for sub hangar stowage.

Cavalry Corp -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/16/2016 12:36:29 PM)
I agree a Pete or a Glen sounds fine.

Dili -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/16/2016 9:56:42 PM)
A Glen is okay a Pete is gamey if i am correct that it doesn't fold wings so can't go inside the hangar. Pete was not designed for sub operation.

BBfanboy -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/16/2016 11:19:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dili A Glen is okay a Pete is gamey if i am correct that it doesn't fold wings so can't go inside the hangar. Pete was not designed for sub operation. I know that, but I said " .... could possibly have been modified to have removable parts for sub hangar stowage." Thus I would not think it too gamey if my opponent did that. This applies only to the I-400 type subs, not the regular I-boats carrying Glens. Basically I figure a Pete and a Seiran are similar in size. The Pete just needs some mods.

Dili -> RE: I400 -Sieran TT attack, yes they do work (1/17/2016 8:24:31 PM)
Any removal parts makes an aircraft heavier so with less performance. Also that depends if the design allows that.

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