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TomaszPudlo -> "German No Move Line" (2/14/2016 11:40:00 AM)

I was going to ship a German infantry corps to Helsinki and move it to Karelia. Then I was going to have my panzers take Pskov, Novgorod and move northeast while the infantry corps was to move southwest taking the Ladoga ports of Sviritsa and Novaya Ladoga and making contact with the panzers somewhere around Volkhov. This was going to be the perfect pincer movement, cutting off Leningrad. So why is it prohibited? There were plenty of German units fighting in Finland.



Ast95NG -> RE: "German No Move Line" (2/19/2016 7:57:07 AM)

Besides politics, think about logistics through very few Baltic sealines, filled to the top with mines and submarines, topped by Il-4T and SB-2 torpedo bombers flying close to their bases. And not every sea transport used in war could take tanks onboard, even 2-3. That maneuver was just impossible in real life, so it is nice that it is impossible in game.



TomaszPudlo -> RE: "German No Move Line" (2/19/2016 12:59:55 PM)

I'm not suggesting to ship tanks to Karelia, just infantry. The tanks would come by land from the south, via Novgorod.

I can see your point, but what about Unternehmen Silberfuchs? The Germans did try to take Murmansk, a much more ambitious endeavour than a hypothetical northern attack on Sviritsa. Yes, Silberfuchs failed, but so did Barbarossa.



Ast95NG -> RE: "German No Move Line" (2/20/2016 8:31:02 PM)

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Unternehmen Silberfuchs
- and the reason of fail was logistics, despite there was no troops sea tranport/invasions, just sea-land combined supply. And Soviet Northern fleet in 41-42 was nothing in comparisson to Baltic fleet.

Remember, Hitler used destroyers as troop's transport in Norway? It could take really small sturm group, i think not a full batallion with all the equipment. Really not the best solution in theory, but the only one that was possible in reality. Any available big civilian transports that could take about half division (if you count only men) would be sunk with great probability, and such risk was unacceptable. In Norway it was almost "welcome dear Hitler!" type of invasion, supplemented with British navy's fear of Luftwaffe. And still there where some very painfull losses.



Jopa -> RE: "German No Move Line" (2/24/2016 7:56:52 PM)

This was interesting forum[:)] In summer 1944, during Finnish Continuation War there was for example so called Ryti-Ribbentrop letter of agreement. The deal included German 122nd Infantry Division and Sturmgeschutz-Brigade 303 among other things. These units were shipped via Baltic Sea and they arrived at Helsinki and from there they continued towards Karelian Isthmus.



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