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BrianG -> RE: 102 (3/6/2017 9:43:45 PM)

Hey

My communist aircorp showed up for once.

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BrianG -> RE: 102 (3/6/2017 9:44:53 PM)

East action

Nuisance attack

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BrianG -> RE: 102 (3/6/2017 9:49:53 PM)

nuisance attack 2. I am using 2nd tank army in each attack to get them to 40 victories and hopefully Guards.
They have around 24 wins atm

My other infantry armies have slim chance of forming into guards armies as they mostly have bad win loss records.

I also am thinking off building many more tank corp--- planning on one major attack to wipe out a huge portion of German forces.

This attack might take place in 1945 and is officially stamped as highly classified and delusional.

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BrianG -> RE: 102 (3/6/2017 9:51:45 PM)

I rout German unit which has very large CV reduction.

Now that's odd!

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BrianG -> RE: 102 (3/6/2017 9:54:23 PM)

Feelin frisky I nuisance attack west of Saratov.

My good units are starting to get very nice cv. Even new infantry corp are improving... I think avg toe for these is around 75%.

Guards infantry are around 90%

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BrianG -> 102 Main attack for the day (3/6/2017 9:56:48 PM)

After a few soak offs I launch my rescue attempt up north.

And fail[:(]

I think I will lose 4 infantry corp with this latest cut off. Ugg that's another army worth.

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BrianG -> 102 final (3/6/2017 9:58:26 PM)

next is clear than last mud.

North. Will silly continue to hunt or relax

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BrianG -> RE: 102 final (3/6/2017 10:00:17 PM)

final east. I leave inf units south of river and retreat tanks back to fort line.

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BrianG -> 103 June sun (3/6/2017 10:05:32 PM)

I flank attack and get more victories for 2nd tank Army.

Still waiting for these tank corps to become Guards as well.

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BrianG -> 103 June sun (3/6/2017 10:08:28 PM)

Penza relief attack is finalized.

This should clear German zoc on Penza and free up manpower for Russians. Although I think my rr level is 1 for Penza.

So I have had a reduction. My one armament will add to my meager production.

Also at this time my main issue is manpower as I have over 600K armaments.

This attack must win!

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BrianG -> RE: 103 June sun (3/6/2017 10:10:14 PM)

The peeps of Penza rejoice[:)]

I will screen and hope mud allows sufficient hex separation.

You might notice that some of my infantry corp do not have support units. I'm short these as well.

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BrianG -> RE: 103 June sun (3/6/2017 10:18:25 PM)

A surprise attack is launched North of Moscow with better units which had lately been south of Moscow. Ive been adjusting units northward to help out.

I fail to have sufficient follow on troops so I detour a guards tank army which was on rr wheel and had been heading far North incase of german follow thru up there.

They will have enough mp to reach cleared hex.

Hopefully, this might force a diversion of the pressure up north. Anyhow, its a small step to the eventually liberation of Moscow.

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BrianG -> RE: 103 June sun (3/6/2017 10:21:05 PM)

Final north. Silly failed to exploit further and was content on resting panzers. I thus throw guard's cav north to pressure main finland rr line.

If Silly stays and attacks the terrain is highly defensible plus I may have enough strength to fill in these northern holes.

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BrianG -> RE: 103 June sun (3/6/2017 10:22:47 PM)

Final north Moscow.

2 tank corp are sent in and one more hex is cleared.

Next is mud so they will be retreated and infantry funneled into this clear hex.

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BrianG -> RE: 103 June sun (3/6/2017 10:25:37 PM)

Final south

I advance my forward lines too occupy all the rr hexes.

I hope my tanks units convert to guards and I want soon.

I am waiting on silly's move.

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mktours -> RE: 103 June sun (3/7/2017 8:27:26 AM)

I would disagree. I think you are inviting huge disaster on this front. The 50 Mp Germany Pzs could easily go through the Zoc to Zoc path to reach your rear area where you have no any reserve troops, As to your front line, it isn't difficult for the Germany troops to mass 2-1 initial CV to blow them open at some point. Once there is a hole, you are done there. The SS Divs should have 20+CV each in 1943 summer. Under good leadership and with massive Ju87 assault, the Axis should have more than enough power to tear you lines open and break through.
It is very clear the Germany has massed most of its strategy power there, why did you deploy like this (not having depth in the rear) and having no reserve troops there? It sounds like the Russian got the Germany Kursk plan and think that they don't need to prepare anything and just believe the Germany plan would fail automatically...
I would be very surprise if the Germany side can't cut the rail at the first clear turn and eventually kill all your troops there.
After commenting as above I just realize that the next turn is mud, Then you perhaps should prepare something in that turn...add strength in depth and send in huge reserve troops, like what Russians did in real history in 1943. Chances are very high that the Germany would make big attack there, they can't redeploy in Mud.
Would be interesting to watch the duel there.
Thanks for sharing the AAR, very interesting game to watch.

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ORIGINAL: BrianG

Final north. Silly failed to exploit further and was content on resting panzers. I thus throw guard's cav north to pressure main finland rr line.

If Silly stays and attacks the terrain is highly defensible plus I may have enough strength to fill in these northern holes.

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mktours -> RE: 103 June sun (3/7/2017 10:53:40 AM)

some more comments:
I read your map carefully and my impression is that your troops in the whole north seems very weak in general. If that is true, then I am afraid that your don't have the power to do a massive duel like the Kursk campaign, then maybe you should consider trading space for saving troops on that front. Given the next turn is mud, it won't be easy for you to send in reserve troops. So you would be under-strength, it is unwise to stick to your forts and lose troops there. The Axis could choose several places to crack your dam and cut deep into the rear. It isn't looks likely you could cover all the possible breaking ways, which is demanding a lot of troops and it isn't looks likely to be done by the weak troops deployed on your maps. The line is long, you don't have enough troops to cover the rear. The only solution maybe is to retreat and shorten the line, otherwise you must send in many more troops as reinforcement.
Just my 2 cents.



BrianG -> RE: 103 June sun (3/7/2017 11:24:27 AM)

my tank army had been sent north and was on northern east-west rr line. I diverted to north Moscow. they will be retreated out and back on rr.

As for breakthrough up north, my front lines will be cv 80 or more next turn and I will have troops in second fort line.

I'm not sure he can redeploy in time to attack due south from the fin stop line. And Silly is very careful with his tanks.

If he does do this big breakthrough I will give him a pat on the back and say good game.

I rather his ss tanks be here than down south.




mktours -> RE: 103 June sun (3/7/2017 11:52:52 AM)

I agree with you that the Germany Pzs should be more useful in the south than in the north.
From my impression on your map, I doubt you could keep the dam from crack at some point.
I don't think your tank army is very useful as reserve troops in the north, and I think a better way may be some very high CV guard rifle corps, they can plug the hole, and open pocket, your tank troops looks very weak. Why don't you put some very high CV rifle corps together as a strategy reserve? that would be very useful, I think.
Just my 2 cents..Thanks for the reply.

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ORIGINAL: BrianG

my tank army had been sent north and was on northern east-west rr line. I diverted to north Moscow. they will be retreated out and back on rr.

As for breakthrough up north, my front lines will be cv 80 or more next turn and I will have troops in second fort line.

I'm not sure he can redeploy in time to attack due south from the fin stop line. And Silly is very careful with his tanks.

If he does do this big breakthrough I will give him a pat on the back and say good game.

I rather his ss tanks be here than down south.






mktours -> RE: 103 June sun (3/7/2017 12:01:29 PM)

I think it isn't likely for a weak side to stop a much stronger side by two layer of forts. the dilemma is, to keep the forts strong, you need to commit high CV troops, and then they are likely to be trapped. Not easy answers.
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ORIGINAL: BrianG

As for breakthrough up north, my front lines will be cv 80 or more next turn and I will have troops in second fort line.







BrianG -> 104 last mud than summer fun (3/13/2017 10:55:40 PM)

well here it is. My main line is second row. He wont know until he knocks down the front line.

He does not have all his tanks here and I'm sure none moved last mud. Thus he has a decision. I feel he may wait one turn and try to find weak spot or create weak spot to exploit turn 106.

Or I may get crushed by major breakout.

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BrianG -> RE: 104 last mud than summer fun (3/13/2017 10:56:32 PM)

final mid north

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BrianG -> RE: 104 last mud than summer fun (3/13/2017 10:57:53 PM)

btw my recon had forgotten to deploy from reserve and I was in the dark for turn 104.

I give up my clear hex(not shown north of Moscow) and continue shifting units north and tank corp is back on rr

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BrianG -> RE: 104 last mud than summer fun (3/13/2017 10:58:54 PM)

final east

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mktours -> RE: 104 last mud than summer fun (3/14/2017 6:23:09 AM)

I think you had made disastrous deployment here, the big nose of your line are almost certain to be cut off, and all the big corps are going to be lost eventually.
What is the point to hold the 1=86 hex, which is on the tip of the big nose? And to hold it, 10 more corps are cling to the next hexes, the Germany don't need to attack these hexes, it just need to cut them off, that is not difficult at all. There are two clear breaking ways to cut the big nose off, the south Pincer need not more than 7-8 Panzer divs and the north pincer 5-6 Panzer divs ( attack the 1=35 and then make ZOC to ZOC move to attack again).
The line here is certainly too long for your troops to hold. Because of the long line, it is certain that you can't cover all the panzer breaking ways, the only solution was to retreat and shorten the line, you chose the opposite and the result could only be disaster.

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ORIGINAL: BrianG

well here it is. My main line is second row. He wont know until he knocks down the front line.

He does not have all his tanks here and I'm sure none moved last mud. Thus he has a decision. I feel he may wait one turn and try to find weak spot or create weak spot to exploit turn 106.

Or I may get crushed by major breakout.

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BrianG -> 105 (3/16/2017 9:23:41 PM)

no picture but its about 85% bad.


The lead and sub Generals are right now lining up for the big kaput!



BrianG -> 105 (3/24/2017 12:43:26 PM)

oh what a tangled web we weave....

when we fail to retreat in time.[:-]

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BrianG -> RE: 105 (3/24/2017 12:44:30 PM)

oh and if I could get a better battle cv shift break. That would be nice[&o]



BrianG -> RE: 105 (3/24/2017 12:45:42 PM)

I move in unit from west. I will stack 3 high and then split those corp in the far trap to take all spaces away from a bad retreat.
Hopefully I will get good retreat out of pocket.



ha



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BrianG -> RE: 105 (3/24/2017 12:49:20 PM)

btw he barely ever attack with all his tanks. its all movement and a few unit attacking.



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