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BrianG -> 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/9/2016 7:16:02 PM)

I decide on the south route.

I also resupply my other cut of units

I think he may be cut off now for 2 full turns.

This will become a death match.

I may have to throw all in to keep lines cut. cheap tanks corps with no attachment will be used liberally.

It will take him long time to get his most northern panzers (now west of Moscow holding a small pocket.) into this battle

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BrianG -> 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/9/2016 7:18:43 PM)

mountain final view.

His mountain troops are relentless and well slotted to over 200 mp supply lines.

I also attempt to get near Krasnodor and rr can be cut there as well.

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BrianG -> RE: 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/9/2016 7:20:27 PM)

Final Rostov.

I bring tank shock army to attempt rr cut way west.

The middle stack survives a rout . Very close battle.

I may lose the tank corp which is now over the river.

Next turn is mud.

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BrianG -> 52 moscow (7/9/2016 7:21:48 PM)

Here I win a nice battle. One of my new INF corps are involved.

He has cut off 2 inf div and 3 brigades nearby

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BrianG -> RE: 52 moscow (7/9/2016 7:23:11 PM)

Final MOSCOW.


You are now up to date.

Silly flower now has the file.

TURN 52 mark it as turning point!

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Michael T -> RE: 52 moscow (7/9/2016 11:17:16 PM)

I commend your resolve sir.



chaos45 -> RE: 52 moscow (7/10/2016 1:23:44 AM)

ya IDK if WITE has special supply for mountain units or not....I know some of the Board games ive played give the germans a special mountain Corps HQ that has special supply ability allowing operations deep in the mountains compared to normal corps/units.



mktours -> RE: 52 moscow (7/11/2016 3:07:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BrianG



TURN 52 mark it as turning point!



I would disagree. I think you are likely to repeat the 1942 summer disaster of RED ARMY by commit big offense against a much stronger Germany, that is a wrong timing. You could open a Axis turn and check the reinforce schedule, in T51, they get huge reinforcement, 5 inf D, the powerful 24PzD, 2nd Hun ArmourD, if they are on the rail in T51, then they would be ready in the front for T54, 1942/06/25, then all your big offense troops in the south Rostov region could be in big danger.
That said, your counter attacks are very impressive, and they have the merits in themselves( seriously disrupted your opponent's plan), but you simply can't afford to be too optimistic at this moment. A weak Army attacking the stronger Army is against the principle of WAR and it is unlikely to end well.



mktours -> RE: 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/11/2016 3:14:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BrianG

I decide on the south route.

I also resupply my other cut of units

I think he may be cut off now for 2 full turns.

This will become a death match.

I may have to throw all in to keep lines cut. cheap tanks corps with no attachment will be used liberally.

It will take him long time to get his most northern panzers (now west of Moscow holding a small pocket.) into this battle

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I think your troops in this pic are in big danger, if the Axis knows the business, from T54( first clear turn) they could be cut off.



BrianG -> RE: 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/12/2016 1:41:11 AM)

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I think your troops in this pic are in big danger, if the Axis knows the business, from T54( first clear turn) they could be cut off.







Danger lurks! The whole thing could collapse. I better not let him trap too many units here. He will bag plenty as is.

To be frank I am in a big mess!

My troops also have been performing horribly.

I have considered full withdraw but that would only open up his future attack on Baku area.

I will try and retreat east a few more better units, who are in the far west mess along the coast, to help plug the Baku gap.

His mountain troops are a pain. All nice and in supply. Just found out that mountain troops ae supplied at foot mp cost while in mountain.
Well isn't that special!



Michael T -> RE: 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/12/2016 1:43:10 AM)

Hence the term 'mountain troops'...



BrianG -> RE: 52 moscow (7/12/2016 1:49:42 AM)

quote:

I would disagree. I think you are likely to repeat the 1942 summer disaster of RED ARMY by commit big offense against a much stronger Germany, that is a wrong timing. You could open a Axis turn and check the reinforce schedule, in T51, they get huge reinforcement, 5 inf D, the powerful 24PzD, 2nd Hun ArmourD, if they are on the rail in T51, then they would be ready in the front for T54, 1942/06/25, then all your big offense troops in the south Rostov region could be in big danger. That said, your counter attacks are very impressive, and they have the merits in themselves( seriously disrupted your opponent's plan), but you simply can't afford to be too optimistic at this moment. A weak Army attacking the stronger Army is against the principle of WAR and it is unlikely to end well.







My knowledge of German reinforcement schedule is very limited.

These are all now stalling counterattacks to hopefully give me time to plug the baku gap. And deny supply.

He seems to have very little supply issues.

Thanks for the info.



BrianG -> RE: 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/12/2016 1:54:54 AM)

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Hence the term 'mountain troops'...





I forgot about the marvelous interstate highway system they had built.

How many mules has silly been allotted?

query. His mp is like 216. If they retreat(minor miracle) will they surrender as too far away?




AppendixSE -> RE: 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/12/2016 8:04:21 PM)

Thank you for a really interesting AAR campaign.

I like that both you and Silly are keeping it civil with a minimum of whine when engine design decisions goes against you. Good sportsmanship! And makes the AAR a more fun read.

Lots of respect for keeping up the game despite setbacks you have occured. And still coming up with clever and funny counterattacks[&o]




BrianG -> 24th panzer has been located (7/15/2016 9:30:35 PM)

24th panzer is one or two hexes north of Voroslask(bad spelling).

Which mean he had detrained and is now way East of the RR connection.

Move taking long time.



Manstein63 -> RE: 52 ROSTOV supply line (7/15/2016 10:52:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AppendixSE

Thank you for a really interesting AAR campaign.

I like that both you and Silly are keeping it civil with a minimum of whine when engine design decisions goes against you. Good sportsmanship! And makes the AAR a more fun read.

Lots of respect for keeping up the game despite setbacks you have occured. And still coming up with clever and funny counterattacks[&o]




+1

Manstein63



BrianG -> 53 (7/16/2016 3:04:51 PM)

rr

Krasnodor is R1 repair.

The 2 swamp hexes to its right were rr repaired by Silly this past turn.

They are connected to the port as rr is squeezed further north. This is where all his units are tracing supply to.

and of course the "THREAT LEVEL' indicator.

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BrianG -> RE: 53 (7/16/2016 3:07:13 PM)

Kransonor battle.

Can I win one once in a while. Please[:D]

Well yes as I attack twice and drive them back.

I squeeze in a cav 2 hexes to the river and cut the rr line just East of the swamps.

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BrianG -> RE: 53 (7/16/2016 3:09:29 PM)

Well Well.

We push Back the mountain infiltrators.

I think I can hold.

I like my 1000 cv for this attack.

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BrianG -> RE: 53 (7/16/2016 3:12:56 PM)

Well well.

The Russians win a mud battle.

I will lose my tank corp which is over the river.

I have brought in cav and tank reinforce to try and pressure area next turn.

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BrianG -> RE: 53 (7/16/2016 3:14:35 PM)

I attack 24th panzer.

my unit may disband b/c it became to week after this battle

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BrianG -> 53 final (7/16/2016 3:16:57 PM)

Bakuu

Bad if he gets even moderate mp's next turn

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BrianG -> RE: 53 final (7/16/2016 3:18:16 PM)

the coast.

rr s cut. He may attack and force the cav unit north over river but that will delay his repair.



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BrianG -> RE: 53 final (7/16/2016 3:20:43 PM)

south Rostov.

Very fluid.

all depends on mp's and if he had some hidden units I don't see.

It could all go bad. I am trying to hold between the rivers where the rr runs.

Actually very interesting d position.



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BrianG -> RE: 53 final (7/16/2016 3:23:10 PM)

Rostov.

He has moved mot div south of river to attack.

Should be very tough turn ahead.

Will silly attempt a big cut or stabilize his lines which he is willing to do in the past.

My guess is stabilize unless he has hidden units juiced up.

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BrianG -> RE: 53 final (7/16/2016 3:24:32 PM)

Northwest Moscow is area of action.

Will he move these tank units south or attempt more local cut offs?

Zis is za question

You are all now up to date.

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mktours -> RE: 53 final (7/17/2016 12:25:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BrianG

Rostov.

He has moved mot div south of river to attack.

Should be very tough turn ahead.

Will silly attempt a big cut or stabilize his lines which he is willing to do in the past.

My guess is stabilize unless he has hidden units juiced up.

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Your defense here looks in good shape.
Given so many Germany troops went south of Rostov, the heavy mass of RED ARMY here are fully justified, they not only may help the BAKU defense, but also, in the long run, would help the defense of Stalingrad, if the Axis still need to capture the city to win.
Regarding the helping of BAKU, it is only if your south troops could continue the rail cutting, otherwise only cutting rail in the ROSTOV region could be in vain.



mktours -> RE: 53 final (7/17/2016 12:37:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BrianG

the coast.

rr s cut. He may attack and force the cav unit north over river but that will delay his repair.



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I think that perhaps most of the people don't agree with your heavy deployment here, but your cutting Rail here surprise everyone, the Axis could have avoided this but he didn't.
If the Axis correct the situation here, then your troops could become far too wasteful, and given they are in such a dangerous situation, they need a lot of protection ( a very long protecting line must be hold, extending exactly to BAKU), The Axis only need to throw in 2-3 Div to deny the only benefit (Rail cutting) of the purpose of 30+ Russian divs, that is very poor benefit-cost count.



mktours -> RE: 53 final (7/17/2016 12:47:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BrianG

Bakuu

Bad if he gets even moderate mp's next turn

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I think that the Axis unit in hex (146,130), near the Ardon River, could be very dangerous, if the Axis have mountain troops there, they could easily pass the two mountain hexes and cut the Rail and all your west big troops (30+ units) west of TIBLIST. The division you deployed there seems unlikely to stop them, if AXIS determine to break through to the south of mountain there.



mktours -> RE: 53 final (7/17/2016 1:01:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mktours


quote:

ORIGINAL: BrianG

Bakuu

Bad if he gets even moderate mp's next turn

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I think that the Axis unit in hex (146,130), near the Ardon River, could be very dangerous, if the Axis have mountain troops there, they could easily pass the two mountain hexes and cut the Rail and all your west big troops (30+ units) west of TIBLIST. The division you deployed there seems unlikely to stop them, if AXIS determine to break through to the south of mountain there.


Some PzD are showing very bright color in fuel in this pic, so they have much fuel. Your defense in MAKHACHKALA region looks weak.
Given so many Axis troops went such a long way to get BAKU, I think 6+ guard rifle corps here will be fully justified, the more, the better. Better ready for the worst, than regret.
I think you are in very very bad situation. The limit units transported by sea is simply not enough to protect both BAKU and the extremely long life line of the 30+ units west of TIBLIST. Perhaps you should make the hard decision to give up everything west of TIBILIST and retreat fully quickly to the TIBILIST region, where the Axis could cut their life line.



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