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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/16/2016 1:29:53 AM)

Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Deploy Units. USA.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/16/2016 1:30:14 AM)

Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Deploy Units. USSR.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/16/2016 1:31:06 AM)

Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Trade.

The only change from last turn was that the USA stopped (deleted) sending 4 oil points to the CW.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/16/2016 1:31:34 AM)

Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Initiative.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/16/2016 1:32:08 AM)

Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Axis #1. Weather.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/20/2016 7:43:32 PM)

Updated to Public Beta Version 2.3.0.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/22/2016 4:52:28 AM)

Break due to graduation of my youngest son from college. I'm done with those bills - now it's time for him to find a job. Got to experience a Missouri freezing rain storm at rush hour last Friday evening. That was no fun to drive in.
On to the game.

MA41-i1:
Axis actions: Germany and Japan take lands and Italy takes a combined.
JP flys out to the Coral Sea and the Japanese Coast.
It flies a fighter to BoB and the two subs in Gibraltar to the N. Atlantic.

It will initiate in both zones (will fly a lot of planes out to the BoB 1-box)
In the N. Atlantic there were no allied reactions. First, search rolls were 8/3 so the allies have 5 SP to spend.
Second, Who will react out to the BoB.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/22/2016 2:22:20 PM)

Pat,

I'm afraid that my upgrade to the latest Public Beta might have been too hasty. Check out my bug post on a naval combat bug in the tech forum: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4204395 I'm afraid this is a fatal bug that will cause games to halt during the naval combat phase. I'm not sure and only have this one example but that's my fear.

I like all the fixes in 2.3.0 but I'm afraid naval combat could be messed up. If it is I don't want to waste a turn.

What do you think?

Should we play through and risk it?

Wait for a hot patch?

Revert back to the last MWiF version?

After we decide which version to use my answers are:

First, search rolls were 8/3 so the allies have 5 SP to spend. I wish to use all the allied surprise points to maximize the chance that the allies will clear the Italian subs (destroy, abort) out of the Bay of Biscay.

Second, Who will react out to the BoB. I believe there are 4 CW fighters that can fly out. These 4, and any other CW fighters that can reach, to the 0-box of the Bay of Biscay.


P.S. I just discovered that game files saved with this newest version, 2.3.0 will NOT work with the previous version 2.2.8 EVEN if you edit the game file and change the version from 2.3.0 to 2.2.8. If you do that and try to open it in MWiF 2.2.8, MWiF will crash and you will have to kill it either in task manager or by rebooting your machine.



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/24/2016 5:15:06 PM)

Pat and I have decided to wait to after Christmas to decide how to proceed. Specifically, do we wait for a hot patch to the naval abort bug that's broken the latest version (2.3.0 Public Beta) or, if one's not forthcoming revert back to 2.2.8.

Hopefully we'll get some response to my latest inquiry into such, reference http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4203363#




WIF_Killzone -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/29/2016 11:23:15 AM)

I think it was the Russians buying for time. Those railed factories will be up and running in no time.



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/29/2016 8:18:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

I think it was the Russians buying for time. Those railed factories will be up and running in no time.
[:D]

Updated to version 2.3.1, which is the hotfix just released by Steve for the latest public beta 2.3.0. Hopefully we're now good to go.

Thanks to Steve for all his tireless and hard work!

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 4:13:13 AM)

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First, search rolls were 8/3 so the allies have 5 SP to spend. I wish to use all the allied surprise points to maximize the chance that the allies will clear the Italian subs (destroy, abort) out of the North Atlantic (edit to correct to actual sea zone).

After some off-line discussions, CW avoided combat in the North Atlantic.

The CW flew 6 fighters (shown in image below) to the 0-box of the BoB. No USA fighters flew.
In the BoB the search rolls were 9/9, resulting in no contact.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 4:34:40 AM)

Germans flying two Ground Strikes.
Russian intercept options shown below.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 2:52:05 PM)

1. Vilna, Poland[46,50]: Two Soviet fighter units, I-15bis (Kaunas) and MiG-1 [45,49], will intercept. Rebase the I-15bis to Minsk and MiG-1 to Zhukov.

2. USSR[54,53]: One Soviet fighter unit, MiG-1 [53,54], will intercept. Rebase the MiG-1 to [52,55].

Air to Air instructions: The Soviet fighter(s) will target their respective Luftwaffe bomber and will stay until the status of their targeted bomber is decided (i.e., cleared, aborted or shot down) or until they're either forced to abort or shot down.

Premier Stalin wishes his Red Air Force fighter pilots happy hunting against those Luftwaffe dogs. [:D]



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 5:19:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ashkpa

JF42 Axis Builds
GE (39): 3x pilots, 2x FIG2, 2x LND2, TERR, INF, MTN, INF HQ, MECH, ARM
IT (10): pilot, FIG2, sub-fu, INF HQ
JP (23): 3x pilot, CVP1, FIG2, 3x CP, CV2-fu, CV1-fu, CV2-fd, sub-fu, sub-fd, INF-div

You could use the form for Undoing production builds to display this information. Bring it up just before you end production for a major power and take a screen shot. You wouldn't get the face up/down info though[:(].



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 5:48:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


quote:

ORIGINAL: ashkpa

JF42 Axis Builds
GE (39): 3x pilots, 2x FIG2, 2x LND2, TERR, INF, MTN, INF HQ, MECH, ARM
IT (10): pilot, FIG2, sub-fu, INF HQ
JP (23): 3x pilot, CVP1, FIG2, 3x CP, CV2-fu, CV1-fu, CV2-fd, sub-fu, sub-fd, INF-div

You could use the form for Undoing production builds to display this information. Bring it up just before you end production for a major power and take a screen shot. You wouldn't get the face up/down info though[:(].
Thanks for the tip. I'll do that next time.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 5:50:08 PM)

Actually I was wrong. The Undo form gives all the information you would want.

Here is a composite screen shot I put together FROM ANOTHER GAME. Note that I had to edit the US from 2 screenshots to show all their builds.



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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 7:21:31 PM)

Looks very nice. That's the ticket I think. Thanks again for the tip. [:)]



ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 10:01:10 PM)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ashkpa

JF42 Axis Builds
GE (39): 3x pilots, 2x FIG2, 2x LND2, TERR, INF, MTN, INF HQ, MECH, ARM
IT (10): pilot, FIG2, sub-fu, INF HQ
JP (23): 3x pilot, CVP1, FIG2, 3x CP, CV2-fu, CV1-fu, CV2-fd, sub-fu, sub-fd, INF-div

You could use the form for Undoing production builds to display this information. Bring it up just before you end production for a major power and take a screen shot. You wouldn't get the face up/down info though.

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.


Thanks, I did that earlier in the posts. This seemed a bit more concise and without the cut and paste and combining of the images.

What do other people prefer to read? The images or the written text?



ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 10:02:51 PM)

MA41 i1:
Ground Strike A-A and GS results for the first hex.


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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 10:04:31 PM)

MA41 i1:
Ground Strike A-A results for the second hex. I probably should have aborted after the first round.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 10:05:17 PM)

And the third ART GS:


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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 10:10:26 PM)

MA41 i1: Land Attacks - Defending HQ support
There are 8 land attacks in Russia, starting up at Murmansk and working there way down to Southern Poland.
First question is defensive HQ support. The HQ could support either attacks.
The one west of the HQ is 15:1 with Manstein involved (no HQ support - yet).
The one SW of the HQ is 30:6 with Rommel involved (no HQ support decision yet) and two other ARM corp.

When it gets to defensive ground support I'll send you the file instead of trying to explain all of the possible options.


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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/30/2016 10:44:40 PM)

The Soviet HQ's will NOT provide defensive HQ support to any attack.



ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/31/2016 3:19:23 AM)

Two A-A combats.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/31/2016 3:48:43 AM)

MA42 i1 Land Attacks. Several post following with the land attack updates. Forgot to image one, the attack on hex [47,49] in Poland, it was a +21 versus a 1pt division over a river.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/31/2016 3:49:24 AM)

Next attack.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/31/2016 3:50:04 AM)

3rd Attack


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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/31/2016 3:50:35 AM)

4th attack

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/31/2016 3:51:21 AM)

Fifth Attack. This one was followed up with a Blitz overrun of the division to the NE (west of Kaunas).

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