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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (6/22/2017 3:31:31 PM)

Late July 1944

MrKane is setting up defenses in a line from molumein northeast. It appears he intends to hold this area. I am hesitant to get into a large ground war here but we will see. Moving 2 divisions from Ceylon to Java to help accelerate that campaign.

Managed to take Port Blair with a paradrop on some weak troops I did not find by scouting.

Rangoon is building up and adding troops. Finally got a port to put supply into.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (6/22/2017 3:40:17 PM)

Java

The Java campaign is going well. Havent seen any sweeps or bombings from the island since the invasion. I think he is probably low on supplies or fears he will be. There are 3 divisions holed up at Malang. He has another division northeast of Balikpapan and 2 more on Davao. Not sure if I want to kill these troops or just push them off of base and let them rot so he cannot rebuild them on the HI.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (6/22/2017 3:45:51 PM)

Cotabato and Kudat have been conquered and are advancing to lvl 9 airfields. This will give me the ability to cover my assault on Luzon.



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Bif1961 -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (6/22/2017 3:50:58 PM)

He is in serious danger to losing access to almost all his oil producing areas. If you csn cut him off he might not be able to last 6 months after that economically.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (6/22/2017 4:08:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

He is in serious danger to losing access to almost all his oil producing areas. If you csn cut him off he might not be able to last 6 months after that economically.


Miri is bombed to 20 oil per day and he isnt moving anything near there. I own Balikpapan so the only significant souce of oil is Palembang. Will be moving onto Sumatra shortly.



Lowpe -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (6/22/2017 5:10:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

He is in serious danger to losing access to almost all his oil producing areas. If you csn cut him off he might not be able to last 6 months after that economically.


Miri is bombed to 20 oil per day and he isnt moving anything near there. I own Balikpapan so the only significant souce of oil is Palembang. Will be moving onto Sumatra shortly.


Scenario 2 style game...so I suspect he can last more than 6 months without SRA oil and fuel.



BBfanboy -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (6/22/2017 6:19:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

Molumein is building up and adding troops. Finally got a port to put supply into.



This is confusing as he still holds Moulmein/'Molumein'. [:D]
Did you perhaps mean Rangoon?



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 3:49:18 PM)

Late August 1944

First major invasion group attempts to offload at Legaspi today. We will see what happens.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 3:51:20 PM)

Molumein did not hold very long as only a division was left there. Troops are pouring into Thailand.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 3:54:50 PM)

There are 5 Japanese divisions isolated on Java. 1 each on the mountain hexes that cannot be bombarded and 3 more in the south end of the island.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 3:55:57 PM)

yep



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 3:58:26 PM)

Score


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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 4:01:09 PM)

MrKane is right on track for losing about 1000 planes a month, only about 500 ahead of schedule right now. I have noticed his sorties have dropped from 9000+ to between 6000 - 8000 per turn.



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PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 4:32:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

He is in serious danger to losing access to almost all his oil producing areas. If you csn cut him off he might not be able to last 6 months after that economically.

????

I plan to lose the DEI 6/44. Every day after that is bonus to the economy .... If I am planning for '46. If I am planning for AV, then I already lost the game 7 months ago .... [;)]




Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/2/2017 7:56:20 PM)

Several good days for the allies. Because I crept forward MrKane was out of sync with my attacks and missed hitting any transports with his surface fleets. I managed to get in a combat of 8 destroyers against his 5 and he took some significant damage to that destroyer group although none sunk.

Landed over 1100AV at Legasapi which is already moving north. MrKane has over 120,000 troops in Manila so it will be the next POW camp.

To further our good fortunes the Japanese were maintaining a 200 fighter CAP over Cagayan which is controlled by the beaten up 2nd division His AV was around 220-240 at the beginning of the turn. I used my 2 battleship fleets plus a cruiser fleet against the base and then piled on with a daylight airfield attack. I think I managed to kill the whole air wing nearly 200 planes dead on the ground.

The bombardment at the end of the turn revealed a strength of approximately 80AV which will be subject to direct attack by 2 divisions and 2 tank regiments this coming turn along with a full air bombardment.

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Bif1961 -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/3/2017 1:19:25 AM)

Not everyone plans ahead and especially if they pushed hard early in the war, time will tell.



PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/3/2017 4:06:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Not everyone plans ahead and especially if they pushed hard early in the war, time will tell.

Sorry, his opponent is Mr. Kane. VERY capable. His planning is meticulous. I cannot tell from this perspective if he went for AV and missed.

If you doubt, go back and read other AAR's with Mr Kane. There are quite a few. He is a very good player.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/3/2017 11:28:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Not everyone plans ahead and especially if they pushed hard early in the war, time will tell.

Sorry, his opponent is Mr. Kane. VERY capable. His planning is meticulous. I cannot tell from this perspective if he went for AV and missed.

If you doubt, go back and read other AAR's with Mr Kane. There are quite a few. He is a very good player.


MrKane got an AV in 1942 and again when I almost quit due to the P47 not making a difference. We agreed from the start of the game that AV would not end it.



obvert -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/3/2017 5:53:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Not everyone plans ahead and especially if they pushed hard early in the war, time will tell.

Sorry, his opponent is Mr. Kane. VERY capable. His planning is meticulous. I cannot tell from this perspective if he went for AV and missed.

If you doubt, go back and read other AAR's with Mr Kane. There are quite a few. He is a very good player.


MrKane got an AV in 1942 and again when I almost quit due to the P47 not making a difference. We agreed from the start of the game that AV would not end it.



That also goes to show how well you're playing to come back to this point now. It's tough to move that quickly, even with a CV advantage. Nice work!



PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/3/2017 10:07:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Not everyone plans ahead and especially if they pushed hard early in the war, time will tell.

Sorry, his opponent is Mr. Kane. VERY capable. His planning is meticulous. I cannot tell from this perspective if he went for AV and missed.

If you doubt, go back and read other AAR's with Mr Kane. There are quite a few. He is a very good player.


MrKane got an AV in 1942 and again when I almost quit due to the P47 not making a difference. We agreed from the start of the game that AV would not end it.


Ah, so then you should assume he is ready to lose the DEI at this point. His economy should stand ... at least from a fuel/oil standpoint.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 2:01:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Not everyone plans ahead and especially if they pushed hard early in the war, time will tell.

Sorry, his opponent is Mr. Kane. VERY capable. His planning is meticulous. I cannot tell from this perspective if he went for AV and missed.

If you doubt, go back and read other AAR's with Mr Kane. There are quite a few. He is a very good player.


MrKane got an AV in 1942 and again when I almost quit due to the P47 not making a difference. We agreed from the start of the game that AV would not end it.


Ah, so then you should assume he is ready to lose the DEI at this point. His economy should stand ... at least from a fuel/oil standpoint.


He lost 1/3 million tons of fuel at Soerbaja when I took the base. Other than that however, he should be ahead on fuel as I have not been interdicting Palembang. My focus has not been on preventing him from getting the oil/fuel, rather getting good positioning for 1945.

MrKane has not had many games go late so we shall see how he manages the economy.



PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 3:03:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


He lost 1/3 million tons of fuel at Soerbaja when I took the base. Other than that however, he should be ahead on fuel as I have not been interdicting Palembang. My focus has not been on preventing him from getting the oil/fuel, rather getting good positioning for 1945.

MrKane has not had many games go late so we shall see how he manages the economy.

I doubt it will be oil/fuel. Supply is the Achilles heel for most IJ players these days....



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 1:32:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


He lost 1/3 million tons of fuel at Soerbaja when I took the base. Other than that however, he should be ahead on fuel as I have not been interdicting Palembang. My focus has not been on preventing him from getting the oil/fuel, rather getting good positioning for 1945.

MrKane has not had many games go late so we shall see how he manages the economy.

I doubt it will be oil/fuel. Supply is the Achilles heel for most IJ players these days....


Doesnt converting oil into fuel create supply? I thought it made a difference in the industry somehow.




BBfanboy -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 2:45:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


He lost 1/3 million tons of fuel at Soerbaja when I took the base. Other than that however, he should be ahead on fuel as I have not been interdicting Palembang. My focus has not been on preventing him from getting the oil/fuel, rather getting good positioning for 1945.

MrKane has not had many games go late so we shall see how he manages the economy.

I doubt it will be oil/fuel. Supply is the Achilles heel for most IJ players these days....


Doesnt converting oil into fuel create supply? I thought it made a difference in the industry somehow.



In stock games only, the conversion of oil creates 10% supply/90% fuel. In other mods the supply generation is removed.



PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 2:54:19 PM)

Yes. Oil -> Fuel -> Supply

My point though is that he will already have enough fuel/oil in the HI to last the duration. To run short, he has to not have taken Palembang. Aside from that, pretty hard to starve IJ for oil. Fuel, OTOH is about how active he is with the Kaigun, but that is also an easy fix: park it.

Not saying it can't happen, just saying I would not plan around it at all.

The way he will run out of supply is the same as running out of fuel: overuse. Overbuilding factories is the most common. Once out of supply, he fights with horrific maluses and he has no offensive air missions (CAP will fly). Game Over.

PS: I have to add that late game it is frightfully difficult to recover. Supply use increases steadily from 44 to 46, just the daily unit requirements and minimal air patrols will use almost all you generate. You have to have a large surplus to make it to 46. Once you run out after 6/44, you cannot recover, you can only function in spurts, and you have to starve a lot of units to achieve that. Meaning, IJ is even farther down the wrong side of the force equation ...



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 6:20:51 PM)

Whoops I did it again.....

I lost 454 dive and torpedo bombers to the same stupid **** as last time.

My fighters were set for 10% CAP on escort but they happened to have a target (cobato) so they just didnt fly to protect my bombers against a direct assault on MrKane.

I am so frustrated with myself, this never happened before in years of play. Having a target should not affect a fighter CAP mission.

On the flip side, I was toe to toe with MrKane for the next turn and I dodged into one of my bases and disbanded all my carrier groups while setting my surface groups on patrol with a range of 6. My larger groups decided not to play but several of my destroyer groups intercepted and sparred with his groups of battleships and cruisers. I managed to come out ahead by sinking another of his heavy cruisers - Atago making 8 total down and putting 2 torpedoes in the Yamashiro.

In the day phase several torpedo groups out of Coatabo found the Yamashiro and put another 5 torpedoes in her, putting her out of her misery.

On the flip side I lost quite a few desroyers and some destroyer escorts along with 2 light cruisers. Light cruisers and I do not mix.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 6:35:33 PM)

Here is the Yamashiro taking the first of 2 torpedoes. 4 Allied destroyers were sunk in this confrontation.

The Fuso did lose it's radar to a 5" shell during the battle. I am not sure if that will require significant yard time or not.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 6:39:03 PM)

Here is another one of the combats. MrKane is using some pretty unusual groupings ATM. This may just have been a shotgun to hopefully catch my carriers which were only 2 hexes away.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 6:45:05 PM)

We were totally outmatched in this fight with the Houston II seriously wounded on the first shot. A 6" round managed to penetrate into one of the Atago's ammunition holds and gave us some sweet revenge.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (7/4/2017 6:49:55 PM)

We did manage to score a few hits here but 3" guns do not impress armored carriers. This group of destroyer escorts was shredded shortly after this battle.



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