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Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/8/2017 6:42:30 PM)

Turn 80 : 24 december 1942. Merry christmas !!!

Surprisingly my lack of supply is less critical than last turn (i'am now 97% instead of 57%). I also slow down the offensive in the east, it may explain that.

The current state of my stocks :

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-08%2020.11.34.jpg[/image]

The event on the turn, is that Walter model, the best german infantry general have been appointed to lead an infantry attack against moscow !!!

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-08%2020.04.34.jpg[/image]

I was thinking of an attack in this sector myself, so we will see who have the best infantry now.

I'am sending in first the legendary 56th army (all guard corps and best general). And 6 artillery divisions.
In 2 turns, local troops will be converted to corps at discount price and will assist too.



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/8/2017 7:26:04 PM)

I have a strange issue with recon. I have very low recon plan production and beginning to have recon issue.

Production of SB2 stopped in 1941. Now i have zero stock left.
I have a 10 production of U2 but this plane is really short range. 10 range is very low for recon.
I have P2R production, which is a good plane, with a prod of... 6 !!!

It is really not enough.



MrBlizzard -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/9/2017 10:47:34 AM)

You should have some old recon planes stocks to replace those squadrons empty. Check, some planes in stock are better than U2 :)



chaos45 -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/9/2017 12:24:36 PM)

Not moving units that much will help some with supply use and alot with Truck use each turn.

Other ways you can manage your supply shortage is to cut back on building some equipment. This is easy find stuff u dont want- like the crappy biplane bomber factories and move just 1 to some other city so it trashes most of them and stops wasting supply building planes you dont want.

its usually best to move these kinds of crappy factories to cities you know the germans are going to capture so you never have to waste resources building them. You might even want to destroy/move some of your multi engine bomber factories as well to save supply on crap planes you prolly wont want long game.



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/9/2017 4:47:24 PM)

31 december 1942 : Last turn of the year, turn 81

First current victory points, which are not very good.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-09%2018.37.28.jpg[/image]

In the caucasus, the defense crumble with attack from all side and the railroad have been cut. I may have to salvage what i can and fallback near baku soon.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-08%2023.52.03.jpg[/image]

The good news of the turn is the battle for moscow. The ennemy try a 4 side attacks of north moscow with considerable forces and maximum support units, but fail 2 times !!!!

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-08%2023.52.23.jpg[/image]

And now my own troops are ready to counter attack in the sector. Moscow will hold !!!



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/9/2017 9:34:59 PM)

The legendary 56th army at the rescue of moscow !!!

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-09%2023.13.26.jpg[/image]



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/10/2017 5:43:13 PM)

Happy new year and first turn of 1943 !!!
07 January 1943

Time for a little resume of the year.

This was my army end of april 1942, before the german offensive :

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202016-11-27%2017.19.11.jpg[/image]

Now my army today then looses :

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-10%2018.52.21.jpg[/image]

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-10%2018.54.23.jpg[/image]

As you can see my army barely grew in men pass spring 1942, while german army looks unaffected by the war.

At the start of spring 1942, my ennemy concentrated on panzer force in one ball in the south. I tried to hold behind multiples layers of defenses, but they were too weak in plains and crushed easily, and i lost 100 divisions in the process and a lot, lot of ground.
But it was necessary to save my army after the initial looses.

Looking at the year, i think i had no chance of holding the german in plain, and should have run earlier. With 100 more trained divisions, i may have been able to hold in the swamp of stalingrad, some place like that. But totally not in plains or my army would have been completely destroyed.

I also managed to hold moscow, which is a success, but the cost was that i was not able to sent any renforcement south because a lot of good troops were fixed around the capital.

I also managed to save my best troops and armies, loosing only regular divisions, but with the core of my offensive army intact.

For the future, my ennemy hope that my manpower production will be too low to ever allow me to built a credible offensive threat.

I intend to try to prove him wrong by building the most artillery heavy army ever. We will see.




Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/10/2017 6:10:59 PM)

For finish, this turn :

Pressure is still here in the caucasus, despite the blizzard.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-10%2018.54.51.jpg[/image]

In the west of the caucasus, these besieged divisions, with low supply and equipment still managed to repel 5 attacks. It is important as the ennemy is trying to built the german railroad pass this city.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-10%2018.56.50.jpg[/image]

True Heroes of the soviet union.



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/10/2017 8:26:52 PM)

I have around 20 tank corps like this. They are beginning to be efficient.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-10%2022.10.09.jpg[/image]

But they explain also why i lack 30K trucks to supply my troops. And i'am still not sūre what to do with them in 1943. If i'am sending them in deep operation in german territory, i'am sūre never to see them again.



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/11/2017 7:03:11 PM)

Turn 83 14 January 1942

I'am slowly loosing ground in the caucasus, but my battered troops here do a good show. It is not easy too for the german.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-11%2018.54.51.jpg[/image]

Anywhere else nothing really happens. I need 20/25 turns to convert all my army to corps. And the german army is very strong.

Let's talk about manpower.

Due to 1943 modifier, my manpower production is now only 59K men per turn.

While i loose this much by attrition....

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-11%2018.55.47.jpg[/image]

Fortunately, i have also 30K men returning from hospital. But it will be quite hard to raise my army number.

Each turn i lost 50K men and kill 15K german by doing nothing.

For killing german, it is more efficient than allout offensive...

The good news, now supply production is barely enough, but enough.
And my vehicule production is positive due to lend lease. Thanks Usa.




Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/11/2017 7:06:18 PM)

Anyone know what is the typical german men production ? Not sūre if 15K dead is enough to attrit a little. Better than nothing, still.



MrBlizzard -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/12/2017 7:23:11 AM)

Axis gets around 21k men per week; 75% are for Germany , 25% other Axis nations.
These are mere replacements, you have to add new units arriving and subtract units leaving.

Looking at the OOB every turn is the empirical method : if Germany OOB decreases you're attriting it successfully, if it's increasing you're not ;)



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/12/2017 5:18:00 PM)

I will track german numbers. (I do not do it currently).

Turn 84 : 21 January 1942

No great offensive this winter, just the usual fight in the caucasus.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-12%2018.50.17.jpg[/image]

The ennemy managed to cut the railroad line closest to east. It is annoying.
Considering this, he retreated a little from central caucasus.




sillyflower -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/13/2017 3:07:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Anyone know what is the typical german men production ? Not sūre if 15K dead is enough to attrit a little. Better than nothing, still.


G get 14,670 new men per turn in '43 + 65% (I think) of disabled returns ie 0.65% of disabled pool/turn. They also get HIWIs from captives in previous turn (8%) + captured baby factories. In my game vs BrianG by T83 that's just shy of 450K.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/13/2017 5:47:40 PM)

Why is the Wehrmacht getting manpower from captured baby factories? Seems like those people were being deported to the Reich for slave labor. The whole hiwi thing ran contrary to the concept of Slavs as subhuman and unfit to work alongside the Germans, and was largely implemented after the Ostheer started running into manpower issues.



chaos45 -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/13/2017 6:29:11 PM)

Hiwis were un-officially used basically from late 1941 on really. Most units just kept them unofficial, until finally German High command acknowledged the practice officially due to manpower shortages.

Hiwis were also un-officially even used in combat roles when the units trusted them/worked with them for a long time. This was a double edged sword tho as it also allowed easier infiltration of soviet spies into German lines at times. Is many cases of Hiwis fighting closely with German troops and then when things looked super grim the German Soldiers either giving them permission to dessert to the Soviet side or them just disappearing. Because they had gotten to be comrades in arms basically and knew if the hiwis were captured with the German units it was auto death sentence from the Soviet Army.

You find cases of their use in many of the more detailed unit and individual experience books out there. Official Army/Nazis policy was often disregarded at the sharp edge of the spear and due to manpower shortages.



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/14/2017 12:11:56 PM)

There has been some cryptics post from forum strange accounts recently on some AAR. (Not here fortunately).
I hope my opponent do not read my AAR, as i do it in real time, it would be a shame.

So turn 85: 28 January 1942

It is still a huge mess in the caucasus, where a roumanian unit retreated south of the map and was impossible to disloge. So it is panic mode for units in the west to try to escape by foot.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-14%2010.51.59.jpg[/image]

Around moscow, i'am testing all out assault to see what is happening. Results are not very productive, but it is mostly a way to train my arty divisions in the area. I guess they will be more efficient with 20 more XP.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-14%2013.39.31.jpg[/image]

And in the far east, i'am beginning a reco in force of the area, with limited forces, to see if i'am capable of reconquering the east side of the map.

In the second turn, i managed to encercle and destroy a spanish regiment !!!

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-14%2013.07.22.jpg[/image]



M60A3TTS -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/14/2017 3:12:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck
There has been some cryptics post from forum strange accounts recently on some AAR. (Not here fortunately).
I hope my opponent do not read my AAR, as i do it in real time, it would be a shame.


Unfortunately, although it wasn't the case in the past, now that is an assumption and you might want to restore some delay to your reporting.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/14/2017 4:07:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck
There has been some cryptics post from forum strange accounts recently on some AAR. (Not here fortunately).
I hope my opponent do not read my AAR, as i do it in real time, it would be a shame.


Unfortunately, although it wasn't the case in the past, now that is an assumption and you might want to restore some delay to your reporting.



Concur with M60A3TTS



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/15/2017 4:51:29 PM)

Turn 86 : 04 February 1942

We are still in full blizzard.

In the caucasus, it is still a little messy, but i did manage to kill this terrible roumanian unit. German logistic in the caucasus is at the limit and the region will hold in the east.
But the west is falling.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-14%2023.41.15.jpg[/image]

In the middle, i'am testing WW1 style offensive. It caused some damage.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-15%2011.05.17.jpg[/image]

In the far east, my recon in force meet little resistance and kill another german regiment. It look feasable now to reconnect to the south part of my empire.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-15%2010.27.17.jpg[/image]

Analysis of german numbers other the last 4 turn show that i do not attrit german army at all. German army is growing from 1000 to 4000 men each turn. Even with the lost of some regiments.



Mac Linehan -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/15/2017 10:58:59 PM)

Stelteck-

An absolutely First Class AAR.

Am a Newbie, the rules have been read and studied; however there is no substitute for experience.

Am the Russians playing the German AI in the 1941 - 45 Bitter End Campaign.

Have learned a lot from this forum.

As for the Gents commenting: Deeply appreciate your thoughts and guidance for Stelteck; as I have greatly benefited from your advice.

I was on the edge of my seat, page by page - hoping that Moscow would hold!

Cricket Mac



Stelteck -> RE: Need food and amo for christmas please (1/16/2017 9:02:42 PM)

Thank you !!

Turn 87 : 11 February 1942

My opponent tactics to deal with artillery division is to bombard them from the air. it is the first time ever bombing is used that way (usually the ennemy bomb just before attacking an hex).
Efficiency is unknown.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-15%2017.15.32.jpg[/image]

My troops are running south !!!!

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-15%2017.19.34.jpg[/image]

My supply problem is solved and now i can even store some supply.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-15%2017.31.34.jpg[/image]

And now the resume of the turn, the list of units destroyed from start of the game :

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-15%2017.24.40.jpg[/image]



Stelteck -> German counter attack (1/17/2017 5:55:52 PM)

Turn 88 : 18 February 1942 : German counter attack

This turn the ennemy created two local but important counter attack.

First, a big raid in the northern east side of the front. 10 panzers divisions full stuff crossed the large river in the full blizzard, crushed all the defensive line which was decent, and surrounded a cavalry corps and 2 rifle divisions.
I have strong reserves here that will attack the breach, but loosing more troops is annoying.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-16%2000.25.54.jpg[/image]

In the far east, the ennemy attacked too, using 2 ultra elite new motorized units. I never saw these units before and their fighting value looks incredible.
Once again, a cavalry corps and tank corps are surrounded with no hope of rescue.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-16%2000.27.23.jpg[/image]

But at least, a little more south, my troops were able to destroy the fighting division of the luftwaffe. (It was a bad division from start).

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-01-16%2021.56.10.jpg[/image]

I do not think this episode is more than a raid, but it showed that the german army is still really strong. According to number, the german army is stronger than ever at any point in the war.



M60A3TTS -> RE: German counter attack (1/17/2017 7:20:40 PM)

The jury may still be out, but maybe the Soviet manpower reduction went a tad too far, particularly in 1942. Once the Axis player gets enough manpower centers now, and with Axis battle casualties so low, it seems the Soviet starts a slow yet long spiral downward from which they really can't recover.



chaos45 -> RE: German counter attack (1/17/2017 9:40:42 PM)

Think I mentioned that like a year ago lol.



Stelteck -> RE: German counter attack (1/18/2017 6:53:57 AM)

I'am not even close to historical looses for soviet union. [:(]
(Around a little less than 7M looses currently).

But germany have no looses too. Even with full assault with 200K men i kill like 500 germans and 10 tanks [:@]



GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel -> RE: German counter attack (1/18/2017 2:22:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

The jury may still be out, but maybe the Soviet manpower reduction went a tad too far, particularly in 1942.
Once the Axis player gets enough manpower centers now, and with Axis battle casualties so low,
it seems the Soviet starts a slow yet long spiral downward from which they really can't recover.



Russia is not proportionately populated between the smaller western portion (almost 25%) and the larger eastern portion
(more than 75%) The western portion has 77% of the population and the rest is east of the Urals.

In this game Russia has lost allot of its population centers so manpower should be a real problem.

Going by Stelteck's #s I say combat losses per battle seem historically low.

Losses per campaign will probably never reflect historical losses, because we are all Monday morning quarterbacks.

If Chaos45 is talking about losses per battle, then I agree.



M60A3TTS -> RE: German counter attack (1/18/2017 2:59:43 PM)

What he's getting now isn't so much of an issue given the land he has lost. But shouldn't manpower be a function of the manpower centers and not be impacted so much by multipliers which seem to be a game balancer more than anything? In the first half of 1942 he hadn't lost that much more than historical.



Stelteck -> RE: German counter attack (1/18/2017 4:56:10 PM)

One question if someone have any advice :

I have 1800 BM-13 rocket launcher in pool and only 16 support unit regiment are using them. And only 24 each.

I do not have the PP nor the need to built 50 light rocket regiment as i already have a good number of artillery support units. Any idea how efficient they are relative to an howlitzer regiment ?

Breakthough divisions do not use them.
Rocket guard division just removed them from their TOE and will never get anymore. They use the fixed launcher, built from AA.

Tanks corps will use some of them at the end of the year.. 8 of them. I do not have so much tanks corps.

I did not try the rocket brigade but i'am not sūre of their TOE (and i do not want to built brigade as i have artillery division).

It is quite silly noone is using truck rocket launchers !! Any idea ? I want a division of 300 of these trucks !!



sillyflower -> RE: German counter attack (1/18/2017 7:55:45 PM)

You can't stop production so move 1 of the rocket factories to where he's advancing to and he will destroy it. If he's not advancing, just rail 1 rocket somewhere and repeat when it starts to grow again.



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