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krb3 -> Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 12:12:40 PM)

I've been trying to withdraw a Dutch air unit which was scheduled to be withdrawn but everything is greyed out to where I cannot do it. Who can tell me why this is happening? They are currently stationed in Townsville.

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Oberst_Klink -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 12:22:04 PM)

Well, AFAIK it should have been disbanded or better withdrawn on a Dutch base with the required amount of supplies. Try to assign it to an Aussie or US command and see if you can at least disband it. What's the situation on Townsville?

http://witp-ae.wikia.com/wiki/Unit_Withdrawal

If not enough supplies are present at a base, the options to withdraw or disband will be shown in red, this means that the planes will not be returned to the pools if the unit is disbanded.

Klink, Oberst



Leandros -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 12:22:16 PM)


Hm....looks like a US unit to me...

Fred



Oberst_Klink -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 12:24:42 PM)

Just saw it, aye. US Army Airforce. So, should not be a problem if there's the right amount of supplies there. But also should be re-assigned; it is still with ABDA.

Klink, Oberst



wdolson -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 12:50:38 PM)

It says 13PS (P)/A. I believe you have a fragment. Where is the rest of the unit? Click on the Unit OOB.

Bill



Oberst_Klink -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 1:09:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson

It says 13PS (P)/A. I believe you have a fragment. Where is the rest of the unit? Click on the Unit OOB.

Bill

Made a quick check; even fragments can be withdrawn/disbanded.

Klink, Oberst

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Oberst_Klink -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 1:13:10 PM)

And they will appear in 60 days in my test...



Klink, Oberst

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wdolson -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 1:34:25 PM)


I'm a bit rusty at the mechanics of the game, I haven't played in a while. It's been a weird summer.

Bill



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 1:56:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

And they will appear in 60 days in my test...



Klink, Oberst

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The OP's unit is a Permanent Withdrawal. I think the fragment issue is the correct one.



m10bob -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 2:49:43 PM)

I also think it is the fragmented unit issue.
The dead give away is the "Unit OOB" button lit up at the bottom left of the unit..Find where the other part is and try to dissolve it. If it is at a point separate from this unit, you may need bring them together, (which is impossible with some units with more than one type of plane in the same squadron.)



Macclan5 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 3:11:33 PM)

To add further... Yes I agree it is a fragment issue.

I experienced the same issue.

In fact I think that particular unit is one of the 2 - P40 USAAF Squadrons that show up under ABDA command in Australia and must be withdrawn in 1942. They show up in Townsville / Cairns IIRC for a short period of time.

To the original poster.

Look at the unit OOB in mid central bottom left. You should see the "rest of the squadron" identified as existing in Port Moresby or Darwin or wherever you may have transferred them.

Try to disband the fragment first. If that doesn't work try to consolidate all the units in one hex and then disband the unit.

I do not think you can "withdraw" a P (Permanently restricted unit) ~ you have to "disband." IIRC.

You may also want to go into Pilot data and "Transfer to general reserve" the best of the best pilots if any have experience i.e. overall experience in the 60's / 70's. Then those pilots can flush out other units than come on stream.

<<It amounts to the same thing you loose them anyway>>




btd64 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 4:22:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson


I'm a bit rusty at the mechanics of the game, I haven't played in a while. It's been a weird summer.

Bill


Bill, I am surprised. You know you have to take your proper dose of AE to keep focused [:D]....GP



BBfanboy -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 4:56:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

Just saw it, aye. US Army Airforce. So, should not be a problem if there's the right amount of supplies there. But also should be re-assigned; it is still with ABDA.

Klink, Oberst


The (P) after the squadron name does not mean Permanently Restricted, it means Pursuit - the old US name for a fighter type squadron.
The unit is assigned to ABDA - an unrestricted HQ.

See the picture below for another P-40 unit assigned to ABDA that I have in Port Moresby:



[image]local://upfiles/35791/8FF83A5B404341C790C8FDE7485BDB53.jpg[/image]



Oberst_Klink -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 5:58:26 PM)

So, how he can get the fragment disbanded at all? If he got enough supply it should work, no?

Klink, Oberst



jwolf -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 6:49:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

So, how he can get the fragment disbanded at all? If he got enough supply it should work, no?

Klink, Oberst


I think the parent unit has to be disbanded first, or the fragment reunited with the parent. I'm not certain, though.



geofflambert -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 7:40:51 PM)

Since P-40s came up, let me (please) pollute this thread with a different question. Do you tend to use P-40 squadrons for training or P-39 squadrons? I used to think the P-39s should be used as trainers. Now I'm not so sure.

There's a similar issue. I used to think Hurricanes were crap and Spitfires the desired type. Their relative performance in this game (for me)has led me to think otherwise. I used to hear that Wildcats weren't very good. Now I think they were perhaps the best US fighter overall and competitive as a carrier fighter at the outset.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 8:25:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The (P) after the squadron name does not mean Permanently Restricted, it means Pursuit - the old US name for a fighter type squadron.
The unit is assigned to ABDA - an unrestricted HQ.

See the picture below for another P-40 unit assigned to ABDA that I have in Port Moresby:



[image]local://upfiles/35791/8FF83A5B404341C790C8FDE7485BDB53.jpg[/image]


While you are correct about Pursuit, that's not the P in the OP's screen shot being discussed. That one is the "Remove by 15 March 1942 P "



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 8:26:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

So, how he can get the fragment disbanded at all? If he got enough supply it should work, no?

Klink, Oberst


To my knowledge disbanding or withdrawing air units doesn't depend on supply at all.



Macclan5 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 8:52:32 PM)

oops



Macclan5 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 8:57:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf

I think the parent unit has to be disbanded first, or the fragment reunited with the parent. I'm not certain, though.



I think / I posted just the other way around. [8D]

I don't think you can disband a parent before the fragment which is why the original poster is having an issue. Its grayed out - not possible.

The OP has screen shot the parent in my opinion ~ based in Townsville and likely has the fragment in Port Moresby or Darwin etc.

The Supply side issue is not germane to this conversation as this unit has a withdrawal date past due i.e. in red. The base supply affects the impact on the disbanding of unit on the pools of planes if doing so before its "best before date"

Here is a few quick search thread recommendations. It covers off all the information posted above

<< Sadly i cannot find the specific thread from Alfred (??) *trademark that outlines disbanding the fragment first then the parent unit ; I could be wrong but I am almost 100% certain it works that way >>

Finally I also was referring to the red P in the original screen shot [:D]

Am I the Only One ?

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2523621&mpage=1&key=disband%2Cwithdraw�


I read the Manual

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2269467&mpage=1&key=disband%2Cwithdraw�


Strip the pilots....

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3635978&mpage=1&key=disband%2Cwithdraw�






BBfanboy -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 9:17:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The (P) after the squadron name does not mean Permanently Restricted, it means Pursuit - the old US name for a fighter type squadron.
The unit is assigned to ABDA - an unrestricted HQ.

See the picture below for another P-40 unit assigned to ABDA that I have in Port Moresby:



[image]local://upfiles/35791/8FF83A5B404341C790C8FDE7485BDB53.jpg[/image]


While you are correct about Pursuit, that's not the P in the OP's screen shot being discussed. That one is the "Remove by 15 March 1942 P "

Thanks for pointing that out Bullwinkle58. My old eyes could not read that red text (poor contrast) without a magnifying glass and the suggestions of changing HQs led me to believe they thought it was somehow restricted.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 10:40:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Thanks for pointing that out Bullwinkle58. My old eyes could not read that red text (poor contrast) without a magnifying glass and the suggestions of changing HQs led me to believe they thought it was somehow restricted.


It's cool. While I knew historically about the Pursuit designation, I've never noticed it in the interface. I look at the picture for model and then the HQ for restriction, then the pilot count(s), then the plane pool line. The unit name I never "see."



Dili -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/20/2016 10:43:01 PM)

One of the fragments can be disbanded then the other can be too. There is no need to reunite.



wdolson -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/21/2016 2:34:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The (P) after the squadron name does not mean Permanently Restricted, it means Pursuit - the old US name for a fighter type squadron.
The unit is assigned to ABDA - an unrestricted HQ.

See the picture below for another P-40 unit assigned to ABDA that I have in Port Moresby:


In this case the (P) does not stand for Pursuit, that was in the title for the squadron. There were a couple of P-40 squadrons assembled in Australia for a short time using P-40 airframes that were sitting around and built around pilots evacuated from the Philippines mixed with replacement pilots. These were temporary units that were disbanded once it became clear the situation in the Philippines was untenable. If I remember right, the (P) meant "Provisional".

Bill



HansBolter -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/21/2016 11:50:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The (P) after the squadron name does not mean Permanently Restricted, it means Pursuit - the old US name for a fighter type squadron.
The unit is assigned to ABDA - an unrestricted HQ.

See the picture below for another P-40 unit assigned to ABDA that I have in Port Moresby:



[image]local://upfiles/35791/8FF83A5B404341C790C8FDE7485BDB53.jpg[/image]


While you are correct about Pursuit, that's not the P in the OP's screen shot being discussed. That one is the "Remove by 15 March 1942 P "

Thanks for pointing that out Bullwinkle58. My old eyes could not read that red text (poor contrast) without a magnifying glass and the suggestions of changing HQs led me to believe they thought it was somehow restricted.



I thought the 'P' in parenthesis after 20th PS stood for Provisional. It's the 'P' in the 'PS' that stands for pursuit.



BBfanboy -> RE: Withdrawal of Air Units (9/21/2016 4:16:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The (P) after the squadron name does not mean Permanently Restricted, it means Pursuit - the old US name for a fighter type squadron.
The unit is assigned to ABDA - an unrestricted HQ.

See the picture below for another P-40 unit assigned to ABDA that I have in Port Moresby:


In this case the (P) does not stand for Pursuit, that was in the title for the squadron. There were a couple of P-40 squadrons assembled in Australia for a short time using P-40 airframes that were sitting around and built around pilots evacuated from the Philippines mixed with replacement pilots. These were temporary units that were disbanded once it became clear the situation in the Philippines was untenable. If I remember right, the (P) meant "Provisional".

Bill

Thanks for the clarification Bill and Hans - I just am not that well-read on the early air war stuff in the Pacific. Always amazed how much detail you guys know on this stuff. [&o][&o]



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