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821Bobo -> Robert vs Alex (no A game please) (12/5/2016 5:31:07 PM)

For some time I was considering to start either WitE or WitP game. Handling 3 Wite games +1 is far more manageable than 3x WitE + WitP therefore I decided to start yet another WitE game.
Weird but in none of the games is currently my turn so I decided to start an AAR to kill some time.

Opponent is A game (Axis), I took the reds.

Settings:
GC41-45 Bitter End
Server game
Full FoW
Random weather
Mild Blizzard and +1 Soviet attack bonus

House Rules:
Historical plausible play
No paradorps
No suicide runs far behind lines with single division to get industry



821Bobo -> T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/5/2016 5:48:18 PM)

Turn 1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941

I will run the AAR with few turns delay. Currently we are only in T2 so screens will come later.
Axis opening was decent with no chance to open any pocket. From my point of view only 2 things were not optimal.
First it low number of destroyed Soviet planes(2500+). This is probably for the first time I did not send the whole Red Airforce to reserve just the depleted and low morale groups. As a result my airforce is active from day one. Did few bombings nothing big but maybe on Axis T2 my fighters will be able to catch some careless Axis bombers.

Turn 1 air losses.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/6/2016 1:53:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

Turn 1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941

I will run the AAR with few turns delay. Currently we are only in T2 so screens will come later.
Axis opening was decent with no chance to open any pocket. From my point of view only 2 things were not optimal.
First it low number of destroyed Soviet planes(2500+). This is probably for the first time I did not send the whole Red Airforce to reserve just the depleted and low morale groups. As a result my airforce is active from day one. Did few bombings nothing big but maybe on Axis T2 my fighters will be able to catch some careless Axis bombers.

Turn 1 air losses.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/163F6D2678AE4BB0898C8EE5453EBAF9.jpg[/image]


Isn't the low air loss attributed to a bug in the just released patch. I believe Morvael is to fix this from a post in RE: Public Beta v1.09.01 is Now Available! Dated 11/26/16 quote, "This will be fixed, but I'm waiting a few days to see if there will be some other bugs reported. So far this is the only one." I'm assuming "This" is the bombing of airbases on the first turn since the post before his post was referencing base bombing.



821Bobo -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/6/2016 7:53:18 AM)

I forgot about the possible bug however I've checked the attacks and he did not bother to launch many.



Hunter63 -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/14/2016 12:46:44 AM)

How is this game going?



821Bobo -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/14/2016 11:32:37 AM)

Currently T4, just posting T1 situation. I've been busy last couple of days.



821Bobo -> T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/14/2016 11:35:08 AM)

T1 - North

The second thing what I think was a mistake is conservative Axis approach in North. Ignoring Riga could be a mistake especially when it looks Axis are repairing the Riga rail line. Defenders of Riga were reinforced by 1 rifle brigade and 1 battered rifle division(under 4k men). Defense CV is currently 49 but I expect next turn more after the unready division will get reinforcement.
On T1 I usually do not defend the swamps around Polotsk but position of 4th Panzer Group may indicate thats the place where they will strike and the usual drive to Pskov won't take place.

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821Bobo -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/14/2016 11:38:11 AM)

T1 - Center

In the center I placed two very weak lines. Purpose of Berezina line is to slow Panzers enough to prevent Dneper crossing on T2 and/or losing the Landbridge.


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821Bobo -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/14/2016 11:57:38 AM)

T1 - South

At least one Panzer group has been diverted to south and enabled decent Lvov pocket. Road to Kiev is basically open now. With the low MPs nothing could have been done here.
btw. I really can't understand why the strong 57th Tank division is frozen. My opinion is it should be automatically unfrozen when there is Axis unit within 5 hexes.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/24C218ED12C845158333CA9829A6E470.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T2 - 26.6.-2.7.1941 (12/15/2016 5:43:48 PM)

Turn 2 - 26.6.-2.7.1941

Luckily no nasty surprise however I made an epic blunder on T1. I forgot that many formation are starting the war with max TOE well below 100%. [sm=00000018.gif] Well that actually was a nasty surprise [:D]

North

Panzers went for Pskov and crossed Velikaya river. I decided to hold the line because 4th Panzer Gruppe hasn't been reinforced and should be low on fuel.
I have noticed that Germans stopped repairing the rail towards Riga.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/871AD7762EC44F788CF78BBF4069807A.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T2 - 26.6.-2.7.1941 (12/15/2016 5:47:14 PM)

Turn 2 - 26.6.-2.7.1941

Center

Panzers didn't reach Landbridge nor Dneper. Good for Stalin. This turn it was probably the quietest sector.



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821Bobo -> RE: T2 - 26.6.-2.7.1941 (12/15/2016 5:59:45 PM)

Turn 2 - 26.6.-2.7.1941

South

The good news is that I was able to open the infamous Lvov pocket. The bad news is that 2 Panzer Korps from AGC were diverted to the South. Could not see any other option here than employing Brave Sir Robin

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/15/2016 8:18:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

T1 - South

I really can't understand why the strong 57th Tank division is frozen. My opinion is it should be automatically unfrozen when there is Axis unit within 5 hexes.



I ran a few tests and seems it does become unfrozen when units within a certain distance. I tried on AltVC260 and regular campaign and the 57 has unfrozen both time with units close.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/383489A4B5114852809B9D09DC95F282.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (12/15/2016 8:31:17 PM)

The 57th is unfrozen when a German unit is 3 hexes or less.



821Bobo -> T3 - 3.7.-9.7.1941 (12/17/2016 12:01:10 PM)

Turn 3 - 3.7.-9.7.1941

Industry evacuation is beginning. Following factories were moved:
Dnepropetrovsk 16x Arms
Mogilev 3x Arms & 3x HI
Kharkov 1x T-34

North

Situation is the same as last week, axis have gained only few hexes. Riga seems to be completely ignored. Started to dig trenches at the Luga line, this will be the next defense position after Pskov.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/90B1C0060215486E90CF9FF515DAFAA4.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T3 - 3.7.-9.7.1941 (12/17/2016 12:17:15 PM)

Turn 3 - 3.7.-9.7.1941

Center

Landbridge is under attack but not breakthrough yet. On Berezina river recon spotted concentration of Panzers which is most probably HQ Buildup.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/7F112F4AD1B4408CA2779F4102C77013.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> RE: T3 - 3.7.-9.7.1941 (12/17/2016 12:25:42 PM)

Turn 3 - 3.7.-9.7.1941

South


1st Panzer gruppe did a solid job and encircled 10 divisions. Not a game changer but among others 2 high morale(55) Rifle divisions and 2 decent Tank divisions are lost. But not this week! I launched 3 counter attacks to open to pocket and cut off 8 divisions + GD regiment. Notice the 2 hasty attacks from inside to pocket that managed to cut off the spearhead(this was possible only because the 1:1 = 2:1).

[image]local://upfiles/37518/38CC6990F8734D22806C0AD3411EAFDE.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941 (12/27/2016 2:23:01 PM)

Turn 4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941

Pavlov has been executed and Zukov takes command of Western Front. I am not happy with that decision as I wanted Zukov to take STAVKA after all major pockets will be cleared.

Industry evacuation:
Kiev 4 Arms & 4 HI
Kirovograd 3 Arms & 3 HI
Leningrad 6 Vehicles & 1x T-50


Finns joined the invasion. It looks most of the units can be saved.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/11F48F005D7C4EEABDD786D784EE3795.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941 (12/27/2016 2:29:08 PM)

Turn 4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941

North


I left 2 Rifle divisions in Pskov and retreated to Luga. Panzers have been most probably refueled and I need to avoid any major pocket here.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/8021A5C94EBA430CB72F8338964772F0.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941 (12/27/2016 2:32:35 PM)

Turn 4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941

Center

Again 2 Rifle divisions left to their's fate in Vitebsk and rest is retreating to Smolensk. I decided to hold Dneper but this gives an opportunity for pocket therefore empty airbase has been positioned in potential pocket area for airsupply.


[image]local://upfiles/37518/B1D7F3D5C6D54432AFB16639663F6E81.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941 (12/27/2016 2:36:42 PM)

Turn 4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941

South

Pocket definitely sealed but last turn I sneaked airbase inside so I hope it will survive for one extra turn. Also 2 divisions(Motorised and Rifle) were routed out of the pocket.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/CF75EAA8CBDA4EA68D2E9FD7D1F1B4EE.jpg[/image]



Pionpion -> RE: T4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941 (12/27/2016 3:36:43 PM)

Hi guys
My map is not looking as nice as yours. Any chance to get a link for this mod ?



821Bobo -> RE: T4 - 10.7.-16.7.1941 (12/27/2016 3:49:00 PM)

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4031161

Jison's MAP Mod



821Bobo -> T5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941 (1/6/2017 6:42:51 PM)

Turn 5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941

Factories evacuated:
Vsevolzhsky 8 Arms
Kharkov 15 Arms
Zaporozhye 4 Arms

North
I was hoping that Luga line will hold at least for one turn. Unfortunately Panzers were able to cross the river.[:(]

[image]local://upfiles/37518/60FDE262EF2047788FB0B622AD2DCCE6.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> RE: T5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941 (1/6/2017 6:47:29 PM)

Turn 5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941

Center
As I have expected holding Dneper has been dangerous and 10 divisions ended in pocket. Ring is solid without any chance to open it. Supply has been delivered via airbase so pocket may survive for one more turn.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/CE635E40157D4CEBA09D54942ED1CD05.jpg[/image]



821Bobo -> T5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941 (1/6/2017 6:53:05 PM)

Turn 5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941

South
Thanks to airsupply from previous turn the pocket is still alive but airbase has been routed out of the pocket. Germans have been able to successfully attack across Dneper south of Kiev but did not had enough movement points to actually cross the river.

[image]local://upfiles/37518/FF86CD56B68346E5976F76616CD526EF.jpg[/image]



Hunter63 -> RE: T5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941 (1/12/2017 7:29:42 PM)

Looks to be a good game, good luck



821Bobo -> RE: T5 - 17.7.-23.7.1941 (1/12/2017 8:15:41 PM)

Thanks, I will need all the luck. Being crushed really hard [:(]



sillyflower -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (1/13/2017 3:12:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

The 57th is unfrozen when a German unit is 3 hexes or less.


As do all other frozen units [:)]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: T1 - 22.6.-25.6.1941 (1/13/2017 7:09:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sillyflower


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

The 57th is unfrozen when a German unit is 3 hexes or less.


As do all other frozen units [:)]


Ok, ok, ok, go ahead and rub it in :-P I'm entitled to a "BLONDE" moment here and there! Although they happen a lot as you get older(to me at least). Now if you would give me back my CRAYON's Sillyflower I will hence forth go back into my corner and color yet again!






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