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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 5:15:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: Essentially the Poles take a bit less of Poland Que? [&:] warspite1 Thank-you sir - amendment made. I was just checking if anyone was awake....

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 5:17:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hartmann quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 20th January 1940 France and the United Kingdom I have said yes to this mission but, on reflection, am not sure it was the right thing to do. Too late its done now, but I wonder if these MPP could have been better spent..... No, it's a good decision. Maybe too good at the moment, actually. In all my five games as UK/US it prevented Finland from entering the Axis alliance. It seems that the German AI is not aware that they need Finland to have a pro-Axis leaning. warspite1 But not in my last game.... let's hope they stay the hell out this time [:)]

Orm -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 5:18:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 20th January 1940 France and the United Kingdom I have said yes to this mission but, on reflection, am not sure it was the right thing to do. Too late its done now, but I wonder if these MPP could have been better spent..... [image]local://upfiles/28156/B077FC27E533461E9A1A070368BF7D09.jpg[/image] I am still confused by this option. Apparently the Allies can teleport their troops so why doesn't they use the teleport function all the time. [&:] [;)]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 5:30:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 20th January 1940 France and the United Kingdom I have said yes to this mission but, on reflection, am not sure it was the right thing to do. Too late its done now, but I wonder if these MPP could have been better spent..... [image]local://upfiles/28156/B077FC27E533461E9A1A070368BF7D09.jpg[/image] I am still confused by this option. Apparently the Allies can teleport their troops so why doesn't they use the teleport function all the time. [&:] [;)] warspite1 Because they only have one Tardis Duh? [&:] [:D]

terje439 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 5:32:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 The German 7th Flieger Division is spotted deploying in Hamburg. Why? Norway? The Low Countries? I am sure time will tell - not too much time either. That one always deploys to Hamburg. The Germans gets two paratrooper units at the same time (if they delay Student untill he is full strength), but the 7th is always deployed in Hamburg.

terje439 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 5:33:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 Because they only have one Tardis Duh? [&:] [:D] But that would not matter as the Tardi moves in TIME and space, so it could go back and forth and bring all troops to where they are needed at the same instance [;)]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 6:00:04 PM)
20th January 1940 United Kingdom and France The Royal Canadian Navy finds the German U-Boat wolf pack but the latter is able to evade its pursuers. I am hoping the German Navy may seek to do something about the 2nd Submarine Flotilla. To that end I am preparing to send the Home Fleet to sea.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 6:07:01 PM)
5th February 1940 Quiet once again on the Western Front and in the Atlantic. Once more there are AI manoeuvrings in northern Italy though. The Royal Navy bring some cheer to the home front; the subs successfully attack the Iron Ore convoys and the supply ship Altmark is boarded and British sailors aboard are freed. "Hey Fritz, if you can't afjord the losses, don't enter them...." Haahahahahahaha.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/334BA7B6F99548D6A321762F6A9F1016.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 6:07:23 PM)
2nd March 1940 Reinforcement United Kingdom 33rd Engineers and Wavell H.Q arrive in England. MPP Expenditure UK - The British build up their Polish destroyer, the BEF and the tactical bombers. French - The French continue to spend their points on building up the army. The work is just so slow.... The Engineer unit sets about work on fortification southeast of Verdun - but it is going to be touch and go as it will take two months! USA - Infantry Weapons are up next for the US. USSR - The USSR save their whopping 40 MPP for a rainy day... or something they can actually spend their point on. [image]local://upfiles/28156/578F3BD12E7D4663B74EA398E1609444.jpg[/image]

loki100 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 6:35:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 20th January 1940 France and the United Kingdom I have said yes to this mission but, on reflection, am not sure it was the right thing to do. Too late its done now, but I wonder if these MPP could have been better spent..... [image]local://upfiles/28156/B077FC27E533461E9A1A070368BF7D09.jpg[/image] I think this one at the moment is too over-powered. There is no real cost to the Allies, the Soviets will still end up fighting the axis and vs the AI it seems to remove Finland from the war. I'd agree with Hartmann's comment as to its effectiveness. Might be more balanced in PBEM as I presume a German player could exploit it - for example holding off on invading the USSR to go either for the Med or the UK? Ok 100MP is a short term cost but by this stage with France its not worth doing much other than use their MPP for reinforcements etc? edit - like your strategy of using the subs as a partial bait to draw out the German fleet

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 6:55:05 PM)
2nd March 1940 Allied Turn The Allied destroyers, Canadian, French and British are churning up the North Atlantic but cannot find the German wolf pack..... Meanwhile Admiral Forbes sends the Home Fleet out to (hopefully) catch the Kriegsmarine. Meanwhile here is the latest from the Western Front [image]local://upfiles/28156/BE9962B09ED448D69306FD1D54F6AAC1.jpg[/image]

OxfordGuy3 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 7:05:41 PM)
Isn't it a bit risky to have the British HQ that close to the front line? I know the nearer to the BEF units it is the more supply they will have, but for the sake on one supply point, would it not be safer in Rouen (in a town, behind a river etc.)?

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 7:08:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: oxford_guy Isn't it a bit risky to have the British HQ that close to the front line? I know the nearer to the BEF units it is the more supply they will have, but for the sake on one supply point, would it not be safer in Rouen (in a town, behind a river etc.)? warspite1 Yes, yes he would and here's why.....[X(] [:D]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 7:08:55 PM)
......IT'S WAR!!!!!

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 7:10:40 PM)
19th March 1940 The Germans declare war on Holland and Luxembourg and then seemed to walk into Belgium (but I may have missed the announcement) but there was no attack and at the end of the turn it was announced the Belgians had joined the Allies. I expected the Dutch to cave in without a fight, after all, to paraphrase Austin Powers; if there is one thing I hate in this world, it's the Dutch* [:D] but more concerning is the fact that Luxembourg has surrendered. I mean how could they? The quitters..... Anyways, enough of that nonsense, there is tons to get through so here is a high level look at what the hell just happened [X(] * For the avoidance doubt that joke only works because the Dutch are a great and friendly people. [image]local://upfiles/28156/CF60906CFEAD473BA20D0A0FD02E0492.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 7:18:38 PM)
19th March 1940 Holland The German Army Group B, commanded by General Fedor von Bock, with two Armies - the 18th and 6th - crossed the border in the early hours of the morning and swiftly pushed aside the brave defenders commanded by General Henri Winkelman. With the support of paratroopers and an airlanding division the Germans found themselves quickly on the outskirts of The Hague. However, the masterly defence had frustrated the German timetable and by the 3rd April, the lead elements of the 6th Army were still short of actually entering the capital. Moreover the eastern approaches to the capital via Lake Ijssel had not been crossed and the Dutch air force remained in fighting formation along - more importantly - with II Corps. There was better news further south - at least initially - where General Gerd von Rundstedt's Army Group A were tasked with moving as swiftly as possible through Luxembourg and the Ardennes region, and then swiftly fanning out once key crossings over the River Meuse were seized. Luxembourg fell quickly and XII Corps were soon besieging Verdun. At this point however, the attack for Army Group A also ran into trouble. The resistance by the 3rd (Verdun) Garrison was determined and utterly unbreakable. Despite horrendous losses the defenders, evoking the memories of the battle for the city in World War I, refused to withdraw. The German Army found moving forward impossible and von Rundstedt's drive into France stalled. The Dutch order of battle 19th March 1940. Winkelman's forces defending the west bank of the Maas were wiped out, but the delays imposed on the attackers paid dividends later [image]local://upfiles/28156/168BA3C952664D6EA9862B82709A28B3.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 7:18:54 PM)
19th March 1940 France, Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg The Germans won't be held at Verdun for long. The gamble with the engineers was clearly woefully optimistic - I should have built forts closer to Paris. North Atlantic All has gone quiet again on the U-Boat front, but the British submarines continue to hurt the Germans in Norway. Interestingly there have been no warnings from the Norwegian Government.... The position 3rd April 1940. The Dutch have lost most of their army but the capital remains in Dutch hands and Queen Wilhelmina has escaped to the UK. The Dutch have made clear that they will fight to the last. The garrison troops in Verdun are desperate for reinforcement but regardless of what happens, their defence has been vital [image]local://upfiles/28156/95EAE31952804E94AC618D147799E052.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 7:21:21 PM)
3rd April 1940 Reinforcements France Huntziger (he of 2nd Army fame) arrives MPP Expenditure UK - The British, mindful of the Western Desert, build an army and strengthen the HQ in Egypt. France - Every last MPP (well, except one, is spent on strengthening troops levels). USA - Nothing USSR - Nothing [image]local://upfiles/28156/019756942C4A49B18B0A9B2C1902F480.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 8:13:16 PM)
3rd April 1940 Soviet Union Almost lost in all this drama is the news that the Soviet advance in Finland has hit two unexpected obstacles. Not only are the Finns putting up an incredibly determined defence in the Karelian Isthmus, but British and French troops have arrived to bolster the position in Karelia itself - allowing additional Finnish divisions to head south to support their colleagues in the main area of attack - the approaches to Viborg. The Soviets were so dismissive of the Finns, they did not even bother to camouflage their military vehicles or uniforms..... [image]local://upfiles/28156/0157D0D4043F4FAEA0A358A9EF34B633.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 8:21:56 PM)
3rd April 1940 United Kingdom Decision time for the British. At a cost of 35 MPP do I wish to turn the LDV into a better trained and equipped 'Home Guard'. I know that General Alan Brooke is not keen, but I say yes anyway. Perhaps not ideal to over rule my own newly appointed CIGS but there you go..... [image]local://upfiles/28156/1D7866E14C924594B31151459010FA0B.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 8:26:27 PM)
3rd April 1940 Allies The U-Boats appear to have vanished off the face of the earth. What are the Kriegsmarine up to? Continued searching by all three navies yields absolutely nothing. United Kingdom I have no ships to spare in the southern UK. I spend 27 MPP and get my engineer to sea bound for Egypt ASAP unescorted. Meanwhile, just as the Kriegsmarine have remained quiet in the North Atlantic, the same is true off Norway. The Dutch navy offers to send its small fleet northwest to try and entice the Kriegsmarine out of port.... Holland The Dutch II Corps takes up position in the capital. It has vowed to fight on in the name of the Queen. Belgium All Belgian troops have been ordered back to defend the approaches to Brussels. The position as dawn approaches on the 4th April 1940.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/EB023CDC045547F7A5AA3B441CAE3740.jpg[/image]

OxfordGuy3 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 9:01:41 PM)
I see you moved the British HQ to Rouen then :-)

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 9:05:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: oxford_guy I see you moved the British HQ to Rouen then :-) warspite1 Well of course, why would I ignore advice from someone who has the white ensign as his avatar? [:)]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/18/2016 9:13:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 20th January 1940 France and the United Kingdom I have said yes to this mission but, on reflection, am not sure it was the right thing to do. Too late its done now, but I wonder if these MPP could have been better spent..... edit - like your strategy of using the subs as a partial bait to draw out the German fleet warspite1 Yes but sadly the Germans don't. The Kriegsmarine is not playing at all..... what thoroughly bad form....

Malor -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/19/2016 12:01:31 AM)
The Finland mission is not a bad thing, but it is too cheap. It should be 100 MPP per nation. Makes you really think about needing MPP now or doing the mission and gaining some value later. Right now for 100 MPP split two ways, each nation gets a unit, helps (possibly) Finland and as a bonus, those units get to be used to invade Narvik where in my experience, they always win and the axis AI does nothing about it. In my book, this decision will always be a big 'YES'. The two units are worth more than 50 MPP total and will be useful later in the war. Malor

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/19/2016 6:33:04 AM)
14th April 1940 Wow. So much happened last turn I don't know where to start. Let's start off with the summary - which as you can see is quite large. Indeed there was another page with one item. Quisling is made leader of Norway..... At the start of the turn it was also reported that the US has begun cash and carry and rough seas hit Allied destroyers. [image]local://upfiles/28156/0A08BA1AA3724CA2BA45612C5517F1F8.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/19/2016 6:47:42 AM)
14th April 1940 Holland and Denmark As expected the Germans quickly crush the remaining Dutch resistance and the navy goes with it (I really think in cases like this the navy should go Allied as per historical). Further north the Germans launch Operation Weserubung Sud, the invasion of Denmark. For understandable reasons this is something of a non-event as King Christian X orders no resistance in order to avoid unnecessary bloodshed. The occupation is completed in a matter of hours. [German Soldier] "Who iz you staring at girlfriend?" [image]local://upfiles/28156/03249045E4BB4C4BA710FDA719F5DF08.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/19/2016 6:52:08 AM)
14th April 1940 Norway Having taken control of Danish airfields and waters, the Germans are able to continue with the second part of the operation, Weserubung Nord, and the conquest of Norway. 6 Marine Gruppen are used to carry troops to key parts of the country and occupy the main population and communication centres. Caught totally unawares (and in fact on an aborted Norwegian mission of their own) the Royal Navy are unable to stop the Kriegsmarine from delivering their cargo. The Germans suffered a major reverse before Oslo that resulted in the King being successfully evacuated. Someone thought it would be a sensible manoeuvre to send the new heavy cruiser Blucher and the pocket battleship Lutzow up the narrow confines of the Oslofjord.... right. However, the loss of the Blucher did not affect the outcome, and the Norwegian resistance was extinguished pretty quickly. Death of the Blucher (right). The new heavy cruiser was only commissioned in September 1939 and had only been worked up to operational efficiency in the last 10 days. She was the flagship of Admiral Oskar Kummetz for the Norwegian operation but was sunk by torpedoes from Norwegian shore based batteries. [image]local://upfiles/28156/7300CCB32BE0494D99936D78FDF26D30.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/19/2016 6:53:34 AM)
14th April 1940 Belgium and France The Germans were a little more prepared for the Belgian attack, although the country remains unconquered for the present. The 1st and 2nd Corps protecting the capital were both destroyed, the HQ overrun and the Belgian air force annihilated. The German infantry of XVIII and XIII Corps spearheaded the pincer from north and south respectively that, as at the 3rd April has almost surrounded the remaining Belgian forces within the capital and the fortress of Eben Emael. The Garrison in Verdun was finally wiped out, but once again the defence was sufficiently strong that the Germans have not been able to exploit there success. In the north the industrial town of Lille was attacked, but like at Verdun, the initial assaults have been repulsed - albeit with heavy losses. [image]local://upfiles/28156/DE988632A0B04791ADC967071375C276.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR (12/19/2016 6:56:18 AM)
14th April 1940 Belgium and France I do not know what the German forces really contain at this stage of the war but it looks from this picture, like a lot of the armour is now gathered in the north. I don't want to make the mistake of last time whereby my units in the Maginot Line withdrew too slowly. Nooooooo! The 3rd (Verdun) Garrison is destroyed. [image]local://upfiles/28156/01D0F864A9A34B0F8A1C3E92E28762FE.jpg[/image]

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