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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 4:52:39 PM)

France combined. TRS to CSV loading INF from Morocco.

USSR combined, TRS loaded with stronger INF to port in Bulgaria with HQ.

USSR rails ARM HQ to west.

France rails INF from Bordeaux to Nice.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 4:54:38 PM)

On Allies 3rd impulse full pass should be a good option.

Is CW sending HQ from Egypt to France now?



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 5:10:30 PM)

Yes, CW will take a naval. Wavell to Biscay (disembark France next impulse). INF at Gib to Alex and Elite INF at Southampton to Gib. MOT back to North Sea with escorts. We won't be able to do full pass though. Could do all except CW.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 5:36:24 PM)

Take HQ straight to port and reirganize TRS. If you stay at sea, Italy will sink it!

OK, maybe not from Biscay [:)]



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 5:37:41 PM)

Okay.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 5:45:21 PM)

What box do you want TRANS to go to. It can get to 2-box but I suggest 0-box where there's an escort? Italian subs could be a problem if they DoW.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 6:17:10 PM)

0 box is good.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 6:37:48 PM)

One slight problem. Rabat isn't a port. The INF can't load. What do the French want to do?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 7:04:45 PM)

Damn me.

Send one CA to Baltic Sea. I move INF to port and send TRS next impulse.



Centuur -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 8:58:29 PM)

It's dangerous to have a loaded TRS in the Western Med with Wavell on it. It's waving a red flag at a bull. If Italy DoW's you it will get a pretty good shot at the TRS in the surprise impulse. So make sure it has a large fleet protecting it. A better move would be to put Wavell ashore using the TRS. Sure, that means one INF less in France this turn, but with this weather...



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/13/2017 8:59:55 PM)

Wavell went direct to Toulon.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 9:08:43 AM)

Would it be smart to send Wavell to Bayonne to guard French oil and keep hex safe if Germany is going to Spain? CW would have HQ and 4 Corps in north. I hope we can buy some time.

If Germany is planning to go for Spain, we can make it difficult. And if they go for 1941 Barbarossa, I hope USSR in Bulgaria will cause some problems.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 10:29:42 AM)

I was thinking of swapping Wavell and Gort around, putting Gort in Bayonne with one of the other BEF retreating there when the time comes. I'd rather pull Wavell out if possible.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 10:42:46 AM)

Of course. After Paris falls, can CW leave Inf and Mil alone to Bayonne?

CW HQ may be destroyed in north if Germany ground strikes it.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 11:07:11 AM)

Okay, I'll keep Wavell out of the way down at Bayonne and hope air support from UK can ward off ground-strikes on Gort. 2 BEF units to withdraw to Bayonne, once the line is collpasing and before the rail link is severed. Others will have to be Dunkirked, if not destroyed.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 11:12:48 AM)

Sounds like a realistic plan.

Optimistic plan is to hold lines until 1941 and CW has no rush.



Centuur -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 11:54:32 AM)

Don't forget that with this plan, the CW needs to focus on boots on the floor. You don't want the Italians to grab French North Africa. If possible, send CW TERR into Malta and Gibraltar and use the units currently there to go into French North Africa. The defense of the Med is just as important as the defense of France, where the CW are concerned.

And don't totally empty the UK. You make it a target for invasions. I would advise you to leave the MECH and a fast MOT on the island, together with two MIL/GAR.




AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 12:05:52 PM)

Good idea on Terr's. The one in BSO will need to stay but the Nigerian Terr is useful and could be brought up to the Med. Not sure about building other Terr's as it's a bit of a lottery where they'll arrive. Probably do the other MIL's first.



Centuur -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 12:10:33 PM)

No, don't build them. Simply use the Nigerian one. It's useful for Gib or Malta...



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 5:32:09 PM)

quote:

CW HQ may be destroyed in north if Germany ground strikes it.

So long as the RAF is in range from Britain, the Germans will most likely not mess with CW units in France. As Germany, I stay away from British air power so long as its only covering CW units in the north. I don't think you have much to fear.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 7:44:32 PM)

Are you keeping MOT in North Sea ready if Germany attacks Netherlands?

If CW uses TRS in France to land MECH to France, TRS in North Sea can return to Frech port at the end of turn if Germany does not attack Netherlands this turn.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 8:03:29 PM)

USSR and France instructions for the impulse:

Both takes combined.

USSR TRS to Black Sea, load GAR from Odessa.

French TRS to CSV box 0, load INF from Morocco.

Strategic bombing: French bomber hits Nuremberg and returns to same hex.

Rail move: USSR rails INF from Krasnoyarsk to west (Penza).

Land moves:
France
French AA gun from Metz one hex to west (same hex with HQ Billotte).
Lyons MIL from woods to same hex with HQ Billotte and AA gun.
CAV div to Metz.

USSR
(China) Sian MIL to east (two hexes if possible).
(China) 1st INF one hex SW and then SE to mountains (to hex 74,140 NE of HQ).
CAV in Rumanian front to hex 56,51 (west of Cernauti).
4th Siberian INF to Vladivostok.

Debark GAR to same hex with HQ in Bulgaria.

Not much going on [:)]



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/14/2017 9:52:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Are you keeping MOT in North Sea ready if Germany attacks Netherlands?

If CW uses TRS in France to land MECH to France, TRS in North Sea can return to Frech port at the end of turn if Germany does not attack Netherlands this turn.


Yes, keeping options open for landing in Rotterdam.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/15/2017 12:34:25 PM)

What do the French think about doing a joint DoW on Italy so CW can port-strike the Italian TRANS at La Spezia and the French either strat bomb Milan or ground strike the units on the coast? CW can also invade Sardinia with INF Div. We'll lose a US chit (20% chance of 2). Or should we wait for the Italians in order to collect US chits?



Centuur -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/15/2017 5:22:14 PM)

How many air to sea factors can port attack? Try estimating the possible result you can get and make a decision accordingly. If you get at least two shots at the Italian TRS (of which one D) than you should do so. And remember to save 3 surprise points so you can elect to attack those TRS three times at a row...

Nothing better than Italy without TRS capability. And the loss to the Italian war economy is good too...

But after that: I would not upset US citizens anymore...




AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/15/2017 5:52:22 PM)

There are only 6 factors in the strike. Base AA I think is lowest 1 of 3. I think it would need a least 8 surprise points (and reasonable luck with the AA fire) to get into the 3 X's range. If AA fire doesn't go so well, it might be something like X, 2A (1 bombing factor left and 6 surprise points to increase damage).



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/15/2017 7:55:02 PM)

DoW can be done and we should try to sink CP in Italian coast too.

Can France and CW both attack to La Spezia? CW can do it alone too with 5 factors.

France will bomb Germany, Milan oil is safe as long as we don't first hit 3 PP's.

Although France likes oil and resources running... You can decide if we declare war or not. But if we declare war, we should do it with both countries together so that France can take all naval losses.



Centuur -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/15/2017 8:06:43 PM)

France and the CW don't cooperate, so they can't attack the same hex...




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/15/2017 8:17:12 PM)

Now I realized how we lose this war. USSR DoW on Germany and next impulse they DoW on Rumania. Soon Germany does not have oil. Even if they can't conquer Rumania right away, they have 19 factors for strategic bombing on Rumanian border.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (1/15/2017 8:49:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Now I realized how we lose this war. USSR DoW on Germany and next impulse they DoW on Rumania. Soon Germany does not have oil. Even if they can't conquer Rumania right away, they have 19 factors for strategic bombing on Rumanian border.


I think this was meant for our other thread. How close to DoW are USSR?



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