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ezzler -> Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 5:19:36 PM)

The reviews for the version of Master of Orion are woeful.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/298050/#app_reviews_hash

The early reviews, players with a few hours, are positive. The later reviews harp on about poor AI. Poor design choices. poor combat. This was obvious once the first few videos came out of early access. This was another designer attempting to make their own version of MOO.

well designers. here's the thing. No one wants YOUR version of Moo 1 or 2.
Moo3 already proved that. proved it so well that it became an object lesson in the gaming industry for how to really, really mess up.

How hard can it be to just make the game again? With a modern graphic and UI. Some new ship designs. Some new tech. New planet options, asteroids, aliens..whatever.. Make the colonising a bit tougher if you must. But essentially, just stop messing around and make the same damn game.






Qwixt -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 5:23:23 PM)

With all remakes, if they just give you a graphical upgrade and everything else is the same, then people complain. If they change one thing, people complain. Nostalgia is a killer. Those old games were not perfect either.

So my advice is, if you want to play Moo or Moo 2, then play it. It still works with DOSBOX.



wings7 -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 5:38:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Qwixt

With all remakes, if they just give you a graphical upgrade and everything else is the same, then people complain. If they change one thing, people complain. Nostalgia is a killer. Those old games were not perfect either.

So my advice is, if you want to play Moo or Moo 2, then play it. It still works with DOSBOX.


+1 - Hopefully the next version will be better...



DonCzirr -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 6:01:29 PM)

Another + 1

I play the GOG version which is not bad. Crashes fairly often so you just need to save more frequently.

But I too have hoped for such things as ezz posted - my main wish for a remake would be to expand the map area for tactical combat ....

Ezz - you may want to head over to spacesector.com - they have something called Project Space Sector which may come a lot closer to what true MOO fans want ...




ezzler -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 7:14:40 PM)

i have moo 1 and 2 .
Have had them for years.

Still prefer original Moo2 to most other 4x4s. Despite its ancient origins its still a good game.

People complain about remakes not just because they don't look right. But because they don't play right.



ezzler -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 7:22:07 PM)

"Is the SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR to Moo2" on the front of the webpage made me cringe.

However ...

"Don’t you worry, the tactical combat is turn-based, and we addressed the issues you raise about the micro hell in our design.

If you liked MoO2’s combat system, then you’re gonna love this! :)

Again, our goal is to capture the feel of Master of Orion 2 and still manage to offer something new, never sacrificing what made MoO2 special in the first place."

..cheered me up.



Kuokkanen -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 7:46:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ezz

People complain about remakes not just because they don't look right. But because they don't play right.

They don't seem to complain about Panzer Corps, which is remake of Panzer General.

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And THAT + nostalgia are problems with remakes. Take XCOM: Enemy Unknown. Bloody good game, but advertised as remake of X-COM (UFO Defense) series, down to similarity of the title, is luggage which drags the game down. But for some reason Panzer Corps, SPWAW, and (Win)SPWW2 don't suffer as much from this syndrome...



Zorch -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/23/2017 7:57:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ezz

i have moo 1 and 2 .
Have had them for years.

Still prefer original Moo2 to most other 4x4s. Despite its ancient origins its still a good game.

People complain about remakes not just because they don't look right. But because they don't play right.

+1



Greybriar -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/24/2017 5:02:06 AM)

I believe the trendy word is "reimagining" these days, is it not? They didn't do any better with the latest Master of Orion than the many attempts to make a "spiritual successor" for Master of Magic.

And isn't Panzer Corps a clone rather than a remake of Panzer General?

But I suppose it's all a matter of semantics.



Jim D Burns -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/24/2017 6:21:17 AM)

I know a lot of people slam the game because of the multiplayer semi-DRM on a GoG title. But if you are like me and only play it single player, this title is a pretty accurate recreation of the original MOO.

Norton allows me to permanently block the attempted communication with a server at game launch so no worries about them spying on my PC. In fact many games today try and contact servers at launch including a lot of Matrix titles (Norton blocks them all), so I'm not sure why this title gets so much hate about it compared to others. I guess the fact multiplayer is pretty much dead unless you allow them to spy is at the core of the issue.

Jim


https://www.gog.com/game/master_of_orion



Kuokkanen -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/24/2017 4:56:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

Norton allows me to permanently block the attempted communication with a server at game launch so no worries about them spying on my PC.

What details do they spy anyway?



LarryP -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/24/2017 5:12:04 PM)

I have the newest version of MoO and it is boring. It's just empty. I have all the versions and they are all better than the latest as far as game play, except for MoO3 maybe. It's a weird one.

They went overboard on the audio and visuals compared to game play.



Qwixt -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/24/2017 10:53:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LarryP

I have the newest version of MoO and it is boring. It's just empty. I have all the versions and they are all better than the latest as far as game play, except for MoO3 maybe. It's a weird one.

They went overboard on the audio and visuals compared to game play.


Moo3 is like Fallout 3 where you ask the devs, "Have you played the previous games?"



Zorch -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/26/2017 3:24:20 PM)

Armada 2526 is the closest thing to MoO that I know of.



LarryP -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/26/2017 4:54:20 PM)

I've got Armada and I don't really like it. It's kind of a weird acting game and not real easy to understand. I'm just an idiot though. [;)]



ezzler -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/26/2017 5:40:35 PM)

I don't like it either. REALLY didn't like it.
Gave it away soon after purchase.

Polaris Sector had promise. But it misses.



LarryP -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/26/2017 7:06:34 PM)

Do you like Stellaris? I do but the help wiki inside the game won't work for me. I saw in their forums that others had the same issue and they have not fixed it yet. Probably won't either.



Rosseau -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/26/2017 7:36:17 PM)

LarryP is accurate about the latest MOO. It's not a horrible game, just "streamlined." I've had a bit of fun with Stardrive II despite the scathing reviews.

Stellaris is good and will be awesome one day, plus we have the Distant Worlds family of games.



ezzler -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/26/2017 7:57:52 PM)

I have ordered Cd because it was 1/2 steam price. But am now hoping I can get the star trek mod to work. It seems pretty good.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/02/22/stellaris-star-trek-new-horizons-mod/



LarryP -> RE: Why can't someone make a New Moo (2/26/2017 8:20:39 PM)

I've read this New Horizons mod is very good.



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