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Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/17/2018 1:33:31 PM)

Turn 36 19-February-1942 Soviet Turn

When we get T36 we see what the Soviets have done in T35. The Soviet storm in the blizzard is no more than a trickle.

A few combats in the centre, some recon and bombing our storks again.

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Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/17/2018 2:47:42 PM)

And something is making them curious there?

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SparkleyTits -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/17/2018 4:30:10 PM)

Just a simple misclick don't worry about




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/17/2018 5:24:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits
Just a simple misclick don't worry about


Misclick? ... 29 times in the same area? [:D]




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/17/2018 6:04:10 PM)

Turn 36 25-February-1942 Centre

A couple of attacks south of Tula but otherwise there is little in the Soviets drive now. A large amount of interdiction in the Soviet phase indicates some moving back. On the other hand the AXIS BLIZZARD OFFENSIVE is starting to surround Soviet units. However using so many motorised units in this weather is leading to significant losses of AFVs.

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thedude357 -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/20/2018 5:32:54 PM)

Turn 36 Army Group South

Still a little bit of a blizzard but mud finally comes and the end of winter is in sight. 1st Rumanian Guards move to the rear for morale gain and the front is mostly quiet. A few skirmishes Southwest of Voronezh but nothing major. With the European weather zone being snow, the Romanians and 11th Army attempt a breakthrough at Ak'Manay but the Soviet resistance holds...for now.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/ygKP9wx.jpg[/image]




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: 8MP Axis T34 (7/21/2018 2:55:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

Also a great picture to show the difference in how good regiments are on defence compared to divisions!



Yup, I believe I was the first to write about this on how good regiments are. BUT they do have a crux that can be used against them and they will feel the pain too if you know what to do against them. I worked on a solution and wrote a little about it in the Dinglir AAR now I get to try the new strat which works pretty well :-)




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: 8MP Axis T35 (7/21/2018 3:01:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
I have to point out, the freebies here are courtesy of the AI. The I-153s that were bombed had some regiments on day and others night missions. Air doctrine is not an issue, nor is it recon spam, the planes just don't fly. I've believed for some time there is an issue with Soviet planes flying in the north, and this example does not change my opinion.


It was because the Soviet airbases were put in swamp hexes.



DOH!!!




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/21/2018 11:56:28 AM)

Turn 36 25-February-1942 Air

During Soviet turn 35 we got a significant number (for blizzard) of interdictions. Soviet combat aircraft continue to be active solely between the Oka and Voronezh. Our stork recon aircraft continue to be their priority target for airbase bombing. Throughout though they are losing large amounts of aircraft - especially their fighters and fighter bombers.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/KhIc4p6.jpg[/image]

The Soviet airforce conducts a lot of recon West of lake Ilmen. Which finds their lone recon airgoup based near the front easy pickings. The two tac/dive bomber airgroups used to attack the recon air base are withdrawing soon so are also used for spam ground bombing the frontline. The Finnish air force continues to bomb the I-153 airgroups east of the Volkhov - no Soviets try to intercept us.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/STF1EDL.jpg[/image]

In addition to the agglomeration of air groups mid way between Voronezh and Saratov there is a new grouping at Arzamas. We decide to concentrate our air campaign on just one of them - with the Arzamas group chosen as closest to our existing air assets. It is blizzard so we are only able to bomb one airfield twice but conduct a number of fighter sweeps. By concentrating our air war in one place we find in almost every encounter we out number them several times over. Typically our fighters are flying at much shorter range whereas theirs are flying at their maximum radius, an advantage further multiplied by the effects of the blizzard on flying.

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With the normal Soviet Supreme Commander away their acting Supreme Commander for this turn gives us an interesting assesment on Axis air missions which they admit is the first time they have looked closely at.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/52rj89l.jpg[/image]

Almost all Axis air missions visible as battle reports are recon missions. In our team set up every commander can make recon missions in their go. The Axis have so much recon that there is usually no need for it to be rationed or allocated. I think our opponents acting Supreme Commander has overestimated how much time recon does take. But it is true for my part I do chose where every recon mission goes rather than scatter gunning recon or using the AI. And each mission is chosen to maximise its informational value. So even if I just want to check if there are any more units in a general area, I would also chose a hex in an area which already has a unit whose detection level can be raised at the same time. Hence why so much of the recon is in the same hex as an enemy unit rather than in empty space. Typically there will be target detection levels for different units and places that we want to end our turn on for the purposes of optimising interdiction and multi-turn tracking. Usually a unit (other than airbases) on detection level 4 has a two-thirds chance of being visible at least in outline the next turn - so next turn we only have to raise its detection level and not find out where it is. Recon can also help to uncover what is our opponents air doctrine and where their fighter cover is or is not. So every recon mission may be trying to uncover information on two or more dimensions. And yes recon does have a combat value of its own too. A significant number of Soviet interceptors are lost chasing our recon planes. And the soviet interceptor force left after chasing recon is no longer fresh but will have enough fatigue to take the edge off its performace before it then comes into contact with our fighters and bombers.

We are not yet in the full blast of air war, but for blizzard it is certainly warming up. We still have to keep a lot of the air force in the national reserve because of the need to release vehicles to the pool. But nevertheless the air losses show a worrying trend for the Soviet side. They are starting to lose more interceptors than they produce again while we lost fewer.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/N3OXS7x.jpg[/image]




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T36 (7/21/2018 1:44:49 PM)

Turn 36 Allocations
For information only - team allocations for turn 36.




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: 8MP Axis T37 (7/21/2018 3:31:53 PM)

Soviets are really targeting recon aircraft????? For the amount of aircraft they are losing for the amount destroyed I believe this to be highly in the German favor. The Soviets, in my opinion, are gaining nothing.




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T37 (7/21/2018 3:38:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
Soviets are really targeting recon aircraft????? For the amount of aircraft they are losing for the amount destroyed I believe this to be highly in the German favor. The Soviets, in my opinion, are gaining nothing.


Yes - since summer 1941. And in particular Storks which I would have thought the last choice of recon aircraft to target?

However I have heard from other games this is thought of as a good way to build experience. Also recon aircraft - and recon air bases - tend to be the easier ones to get at/ less protected. In which case Storks just happen to be the ones at the furthest forward bases. What aircraft of what type are being targeted would just be incidental then. I guess that is the reasoning here?




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T37 (7/22/2018 12:07:06 PM)

Turn 37 4-March-1942 Centre

Having tried to surround Soviet units last turn we find our spearheads subject to multiple soaking attacks followed by final successful attacks once our ammo is low. 20th Panzer division suffers from two successive retreats. A useful reminder too that the red army in 1942 has some capabilities it did not have in 1941.

Elsewhere the AXIS BLIZZARD OFFENSIVE continues...

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thedude357 -> RE: 8MP Axis T37 (7/23/2018 4:20:43 PM)

Turn 37 Army Group South

The most action this week involves the Crimea. Another week of snow and 11th Army was able to successfully dislodge the Soviet defenders at Ak'Manay, and then a follow up attack that pushed them even further towards Kerch. This was with the help of attacking reinforcements from the 22nd Airlanding Division. The Soviets will really have no choice now but to abandon the position or risk being cut off and unable to evacuate.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/33uoFTI.jpg[/image]




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T37 (7/23/2018 8:54:21 PM)

Turn 37 4-March-1942 Air

Apart from recon the Soviet air force conducted just three missions in its turn which did not include any ground support where its ground forces attacked. Their air force continues to exist only in a concentration of bases near Arzamas and East of Voronezh, plus biplane fighters in a group of airbases in the far North and a lone airbase near Voronezh. The Luftwaffe bombers continue to concentrate what they can achieve in blizzard into daylight unintercepted raids on one airbase near Arzamas, the Rumanians on the lone airbase near Voronezh which is in range of their dive bombers. But for the most part the action lay largely with the fighters and recon air groups.

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With just enough for one industry bombing top up raid

[image]https://i.imgur.com/uWp6wTC.jpg[/image]

Meanwhile the Finnish air force continues to clock up victories in unescorted unintercepted daylight bombing of the biplane fighters at airbases in the far north.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/5THM91L.jpg[/image]

What the air force can do is limited by the blizzard weather. But we have turned that to our advantage by making our opponents fighter arm fly repeatedly at its maximum range in these worst weather conditions. The result is an air war largely relegated to the fighter mission air group of our respective air forces. And one in which, relative to our production levels, we are ahead in this turn.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/bSdRzfE.jpg[/image]




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: 8MP Axis T37 (7/24/2018 5:30:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Turn 37 4-March-1942 Air

Apart from recon the Soviet air force conducted just three missions in its turn which did not include any ground support where its ground forces attacked. Their air force continues to exist only in a concentration of bases near Arzamas and East of Voronezh, plus biplane fighters in a group of airbases in the far North and a lone airbase near Voronezh. The Luftwaffe bombers continue to concentrate what they can achieve in blizzard into daylight unintercepted raids on one airbase near Arzamas, the Rumanians on the lone airbase near Voronezh which is in range of their dive bombers. But for the most part the action lay largely with the fighters and recon air groups.

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Huh....????? Still not intercepting bombers. Wonder what is up.




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Axis T37 (7/24/2018 12:37:54 PM)

Turn 37 Allocations
For information only - team allocations for turn 37.




Telemecus -> 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/24/2018 12:38:46 PM)

Turns 22 to 37 Operation PEGASUS PLUCKED: A Retrospective on our 1941/42 Winter - The Name

Pegasus Plucked is the operational name we gave to our winter defence and offence. It was chosen under the Führer's principles of open and democratic decision making. Crackaces openly told us that was what it was going to be and democratically voting for it was obligatory. In the Führer's Germany the winner is always so overwhelmingly popular they have to get 100% of the vote!

It was named in memory of the many Soviet cavalry found flying eastwards in the skies after being routed by Crackaces' quad cannon. [:D]




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/24/2018 12:44:43 PM)

Turns 22 to 37 Operation PEGASUS PLUCKED: A Retrospective on our 1941/42 Winter - The Plan

The topic of our winter defences first came up again in turn 14. The outline plan from then shows a black line connecting terrain features with a defensive value even during the blizzard such as the valdai hills. While we expected to go beyond this line, we would have also have expected to retreat back to it in winter. Much of it was still in enemy control. But for the parts that were not there was the prospect of building forts to give lots of time to build up high fortification levels. Already a large part of the south that was not near any major cities or our lateral connecting rail line was being left out of this. However the feeling, particularly from our Centre commander Stelteck, was that a more elastic defence was appropriate. In the end forts were built along the Mius and the flanks of Moscow, but not until the clear weather was over.

However one key assumption changed. Rather than assuming that even if we took Moscow we would lose it, Stelteck (then centre commander) assured us that it could be held - but on condition that he got three of the mountain divisions. A commitment that was made and delivered.

Unlike planning for our 1942 summer campaign however little more thought was given to the winter until it was upon us

[image]https://i.imgur.com/gTO6SEw.jpg[/image]

With timmyab joining the team as our Chief of Staff their first act was to lick our planning for winter into shape. The picture below shows their plan which became our plan for the winter defence. The area immediately south of the Finnish no move line was subsequently changed to weak as we realised in fact, in the worst case scenario, we could withdraw the Finns to defending the base of the isthmus with Leningrad so they need not be outflanked.

Motorised forces that were sent back to winter quarters were specifically to be assigned to "Panzer Hubs" near the front were they would still be available for emergencies or defence on the front if it fell that far back.

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Finally the plan called for a reserve to be made - this was planned to be held mostly behind Moscow. The picture below shows the state of our defences at the end of turn 22. Fortification levels shown in grey circles show a healthy cluster around Moscow and on the Mius, but little elsewhere.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/yIwJcli.jpg[/image]

The first full systematic reconnaisance was held since the mud period at the end of turn 22. It was becoming really clear that the Soviets were preparing an all out assault for Moscow. The cavalry we saw East of Tula was still there with four lines of units and tank brigades at each end. We expected the main Schwerpunkt to come through here. The terrain is harder for reconnaissance North of Moscow but we assumed there would be a similar build up there for a pincer attack north and south of Moscow. So just as we concentrated our forces to attack Moscow in Operation Tottenritt, the Soviet team were concentrating theirs for a recapture. There was still a tank park at Saratov which presumably were tank brigades still being trained up. And a concentration of units appearing at Stalingrad. But the cavalry near Rostov had gone and there seemed to be little more than a single line of units in the South. All three of their guards divisions on the other hand were being held in defensive positions.

We had a worrying paucity of forces and fortification between the Oka and Tula. We had to counter any attempt on Moscow by reconcentrating our forces between Tula and Kalinin. And just like Operation Tottenritt to take Moscow, it meant all three ground commanders had to play their part in keeping Moscow. North had to guard the northern flank of Moscow. Meanwhile our poor Southern commander, who had been stretched during the summer and was told their boundary would be shifting to south of Voronezh was now told they had to shift their boundary north again - and help in the threatened sector. The calculated risk was that the lack of mobile forces in the far south meant we could afford a shallower line down there.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/YVihS27.jpg[/image]

By turn 25 our recon had still not picked up a larger concentration for Soviet forces north of Moscow that we assumed would be built there. So our chief of staff reassessed that the real northern hinge of the Soviet advance would come much further north in the Valdai sector. As a result we scrambled forces to improve our situation in those areas. This final assesment before the blizzard was very prescient.




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/25/2018 12:28:40 PM)

Turns 22 to 37 Operation Pegasus Plucked: A Retrosective on our 1941/42 Winter - The Ground War

After the snow period where we advanced on to Kolomna and captured Vyshny Volochek and surrounding areas we started the blizzard in some trepidation as we felt we had not properly prepared. We soon caught up.

The picture below shows our front lines at the start and end of the first blizzard.
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Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/25/2018 5:39:51 PM)

Turns 22 to 37 Operation Pegasus Plucked: A Retrosective on our 1941/42 Winter - Ground in detail

We went through the blizzard with that can best be described as one of contrasts between the different commands.

NORTH - REFUSAL TO GIVE BATTLE

The opening weeks of blizzard saw our German forces in the North repeatedly redeploy away from the enemy - this was sometimes mistakenly refered to as "retreating." This did mean we gave up significant territory, including more easily defended areas like the Valdai. The bulge they created towards lake Ilmen is, by some measures, the closest they now have to Berlin - but also more difficult to defend in itself. However it also frustated the Northern Soviet commander at not being able to have battles. The extra hexes to travel through meant fewer units had the movement points left to initiate deliberate attacks. As a result our units there suffered less in losses of men, material and morale. We assume our opponents gained less in experience or credit to becoming guards. By the time our North started to stand its ground, the Soviet North had lost momentum and ultimately ceased trying to make any attacks at all.

North also covered the frontline down from Kalinin to Moscow and later also to the south of Moscow. A harder defence was established here, but was never really tested. Indeed later North was able to push back Soviet units adjacent to the Moscow-Kalinin rail line so that it could act as a supply route again.

And the areas covered by the Finns actually saw us gain ground on where we started the blizzard.

CENTRE - HARD DEFENCE ... AND OFFENCE

In our centre, from Moscow down to south of Tula, our troops were to standfast and not give an inch. The opening Soviet turn saw us immediately counterattack and seize back what they had captured and this set the flavour for the rest of the blizzard. The main effort of the Soviet offence which started along the Oka and north of Tula shifted southwards as the Blizzard went on - and Centre shifted southwards to meet them. Ultimately the Axis Blizzard offensive started here. As a result our forces went through many battles here but gave virtually no ground - indeed in two hexes the frontlines of Centre ended the blizzard exactly where it had started. Amazingly Tula, which all but our Centre commander assumed would be lost in the blizzard, remained in our hands.

SOUTH - STRETCHED THIN BUT FIGHTING BACK

Our poor south commander had to contend with a long front stretched thin. Hence our opponents were able to conduct numerous battles and farm many wins. And yet many of their wins scored virtually no losses against much of the front which had to be held by regiments, or were losses for allies which we will not have any manpower shortages with for a long time. Nevertheless many of the regiments, particularly the ones interspersed with allies, still got to have low ToEs by the end of the blizzard and very low morale. But as North and Centre became more secure we started to shorten the front covered by South and use fresh arrivals from Germany to bolster the frontlines.

OPERATION RUDOLF THE REDNOSE REINDEER

A special mention should be made of a group of interconnected operational plans. These never happened, at least other than a partial Rudolf operation.

The Janisjarvi line had been formed straight afer Finnish units joined the war in 1941. It meant they were never able to break into Karelia and its defence gave the Soviets their first guards unit. It was the one true success of the Soviet side during 1941. Worryingly for us it left the Soviet side perilously close to Vyborg - and a Finnish surrender. But as Soviet units were being drawn down for operations elsewhere our Northern commander reported he had seen a chink in the lines and believed it could be broken. However this single attack was soon being explored as the first part of a larger operation in which motorised forces supported by transports would follow through any success - this being the genesis of Operation Rudolf.

At this point we added a seperate study of how an attack on the lower Volkhov would impact Karelia - in particular how it could impede or delay any reinforcements. Combined with Rudolf this could have been followed by a further operation we named Reindeer. We game planned what would happen over several turns including what the Soviet reaction would be - and in one case managed to close down the entire rail line in Karelia and surround and isolate all the forces then on the Janisjarvi with other Soviet forces entering Karelia to rescue them being more than a turn away. A successful combined operation of Rudolf/Rednose/Reindeer would have produced high value results but with a very low probability of success. It depended on multiple parts coming together in sequence, many of which were not under our control. In the end changes in Soviet force dispositions the very turn before Rednose was set to begin led to its cancellation. It would not have made sense to deploy the motorised forces to Karelia for Rudolf alone, but with the deployment already started it made more sense to use what was already there.

The end result was a Janisjarvi line that was broken and pushed back hexes to give the defence of Finland in Karelia some strategic depth. Although lowsugar, our summer 1941 North commander, is rarely seen at HQ these days we did contact them specially on this event. And he expressed quiet satisfaction on seeing his old bug bear finally overcome.

FORTS

We had actually created our own forts on the flanks of Moscow, along the Mius and also at the entrances to the Crimea. The orthdox view is these should be used to held raise fortification levels, but should be disbanded before coming into contact with the enemy. Earlier in this AAR we had discussed taking a different approach to take advantage of a special rule

[image]https://i.imgur.com/O0rbDHW.jpg[/image]

So we had planned to keep the forts with artillery directly attached but still stacked with other combat units to see if the extra disruption compensated for the lesser combat value of forts. At this point we would have reported the results, except that there are n't any. With one exception the forts were never in any battle, the one exception being an error we had not prepared for rather than the intended use. So it remains an open question.

However the forts even if not used (properly) in combat had their uses. They allowed us to deploy some units elswhere that otherwise would have had to be used to dig there, to plan retreat paths and stacking slots to them and to concentrate our efforts in other weaker places. The Soviet team did at least once come adjacent to our forts and may have picked them up with recon, so would be aware of our use of forts and adapted acordingly. Even from afar the forts had an impact.

THE DOGS THAT DID NOT BARK

On three occasions we ended a turn expecting to see the next turn come back with units isolated and possibly set for surrender the following turn.

[image]https://i.imgur.com/nSJoFIk.jpg[/image]
[image]https://i.imgur.com/gmFqcLW.jpg[/image]
[image]https://i.imgur.com/HpMHKPu.jpg[/image]

In every case it never happened. On the other hand in one turn we did get back what we really dreaded...

[image]https://i.imgur.com/41S5BSb.jpg[/image]

For only one time did a gap appear in our front lines. But having blown open a hole when we looked for the exploiting cavalry we found none, if ever there was a time made for them this was it and none were to be found. Perhaps only Shakespeare can do justice to this moment:-

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Ultimately we lost 4 German support units, 1 Rumanian support unit and 1 fort only during the blizzard - no on map combat units from the order of battle were lost at all. By contrast for the blizzard the Soviet losses included 4 on map rifle units. Inspite of all the losses we never once lost control. Never once did we find cavalry running around our rear. Never once did we have to rescue or lose an on map unit. Losses and retreats we can manage. Chaos and pandaemonium we cannot.




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/25/2018 7:10:31 PM)

Turns 22 to 37 Operation Pegasus Plucked: A Retrosective on our 1941/42 Winter - Chain of Command and Leadership

With points spend no longer going on HQ buildups we started to look at how we could spend to shore up our defences for the winter. We had budgetted for a large number of forts - but in the end we only built 14 for our defences in the winter. So we looked next to our chain of command and leadership

Chain of Command

All systematic command penalties were removed from our chain of command.
-A large number of German units as well as some German HQs were placed into Finnish armies. This meant the command capacity of Finnish leaders, who are good, was fully utilised and more space was left for more units in German HQs further south. The forces within Finland's High Command extended to well to the south of its no move line. To their cost the Soviet team found our Finnish forces could still directly attack the hexes immediately to the south of the line from its north side. But in addiition Finnish units on reserve and Finnish SUs did commit to battles many hexes to its south. Thus the area of influence by Finland's blizzard penalty immune troops was usefully extended - see https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4826110 for a further discussion of this
-A whole German army (9th) was reassigned from AGC to AGN leaving each with four armies. Four armies can have their command capacities fully used without giving the army group they are in a command penalty, five cannot.
-Corps HQs were transfered out of 9th and 4th armies to other places where needed. Armies with three corps can give all of their units at least both corps and army levels of command whose command capacities are fully used but not exceeded, four makes it easier. Five or more though usually means a corps command inside an army is being underutilised.
-103RHG was assigned cavalry units, independent infantry brigades and regiments (some of which became divisions but remained in 103 RHG) as well as security units including the Slovak security unit that continued to have a ToE of a combat unit. This meant in effect we got an extra combat corps/army HQ for the frontlines.
-Panzer armies that had many of their motorised units reassigned to OKH and in winter garrisons took on command of frontline infantry. Panzer corps commanders also have some of the best infantry combat ratings.
-In addition some corps HQs were kept independent of army and army group command meaning the units that could not fit into the army groups and armies when their command capacity was reached still had an HQ to go to which itself did not have a command penalty.
-Finally southern allied HQs also took on some German units that could not be found a home elsewhere. Even bad southern leaders have better ratings checks than the best German whose command is overloaded.

In terms of bangs per buck, spending points to get rid of command penalties did far more to improve the combat value of our frontline troops than anything else we could have spent points on. Unless ground commanders chose otherwise, and usually then only on a temporary basis, no HQ would have a command penalty from having too many units assigned. But with this job done we turned to systematically changing our leadership.

Leaders: The Plan

Leaders were chosen in the priority of
i) Panzer corps (best average of morale, initiative, admin and mechanised ratings unless their infantry rating was higher than their mechanised rating)
ii) Infantry corps (best average of morale, initiative, admin and infantry ratings)
iii) OKH (best morale with other ratings as a tie breaker)
iv) Army groups (best morale with other ratings as a tie breaker)
v) Panzer armies/groups (best morale with other ratings as a tie breaker)
vi) Infantry armies (best morale with other ratings as a tie breaker)
No points were spent on changing leaders of air commands or of allies

As a result of this order of priority some of our best leaders who were then in charge of armies found themselves demoted to commanding corps!

We tried to do this systematically using the leaders spreadsheet found in the library of WitE resources. Minimum thresholds were set for each level of command (e.g. the average of their four combat ratings) to match those we had in the pool or expected to be in the near future given the scenario data. Some who fell just below this for one level we found automatically through our spreadsheets could nevertheless automatically qualify for the next level.

We also replaced leaders in a sequence which minimised cost. As the cost of replacing a leader decreases the higher the political rating of their superior, we only replaced leaders before their superior was replaced with a leader with a lower political, or after if replaced with a leader with higher political. And similarly carrying on up the chain we had to consider in which sequence to change their superior commanders by any changes in the political ratings of their superiors and so on. In the case of some armies it was even cheaper to first appoint a leader we did not want but who had high political and replace them after we had replaced their corps leaders.

Finally when we were confident we had the quota of leaders meeting our thresholds from the pool, we started replacing leaders with other leaders who already had other positions. The AI then selects a leader automatically to replace them - in effect we get two replacements for the price of one. Many leaders which would have been too expensive to appoint without a promotion were appointed for free. Some however did get ratings reductions. However the few that did were more than compensated for by the better leaders we got overall. Having already selected the leaders we banked on, any new promotions without reductions was a plus, any that had reductions were not a loss.

Leaders: The Results

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i) Panzer corps are now lead by our first choice team from those leaders available all of whom have an average combat rating of 7 or above. This includes early auto promotions for leaders like Balck. Thus we were able to follow the advice of one of our earliest posters in this thread at zero points cost.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Northern Star
And don't forget to put the best [...] generals there, Model for the 1st Infantry and Balck!


ii) All but three infantry corps commanders have an average combat rating of 6.25 or above, almost half have 6.75 or above. Again this includes a number who ordinarily would only achieve General Leutnant rank much later but for whom we got an auto promotion and appointment for free. According to scenario data indeed Friedrich Mueller would never have achieved the rank in this game at all! Indeed we had so many surprise early promotions of future good corps leaders that we had to raise the threshold for who could be a corps leader. Many of our early appointments, especially in the North, went from being our first team line up to ones we wanted to replace. If we had known this at the start many points could have been saved from redundant appointments.

iii) and iv)
High Command - vKluge remained at OKH
AGN - with the withdrawal of Luftlotte 2, Kesselring was unemployed (in WitE at least) so his high high morale rating was used in AGN
AGC - Reichenau with his high morale ratings went to AGC, which since it was down to 4 armies also meant all his ratings became effective particularly as AGC was more geographically concentrated than other army groups
AGB - unchanged with Jodl - who although not appreciated as a leader does have high morale and high political to make changing army commanders cheaper
AGA - the leader was not changed and left as vRunstedt - although he had much lower morale than the other army group leaders, with corps leadership prioritised ahead of army groups there was no one better to replace him (typically he gets sacked in the blizzard anyway, but amazingly in this game he got just enough victories to cling on to the end)
Finnish High Command - with almost half the troops under their command being German army, including some German HQs, Mannerheim has become de facto leader of a fifth army group of the German army

v) and vi) Being our lowest priority, and with many of their best moved to corps or higher commands, army level leadership is now much weaker. And we have yet to appoint all of our first choices there anyway so we will have to work on this still after blizzard. In particular some armies, such as 3rd Panzer army which has only two corps at the moment, were used effectively as corps HQs themselves having units directly assigned to them. If we had know this in advance it would have been more sensible to leave them with better leaders.




xhoel -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/25/2018 7:56:11 PM)

Stellar report as always Tele! Looking forward to see what the Axis have in store for the spring and summer.




Zorch -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/25/2018 9:27:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xhoel

Stellar report as always Tele! Looking forward to see what the Axis have in store for the spring and summer.

Ditto.
The only thing not mentioned is the handling of air assets.




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/26/2018 11:14:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zorch
The only thing not mentioned is the handling of air assets.


That request got me interested. A lot of the blizzard relatively little use was made of the air force on map. But there was quite a lot of swaps and pools management, as well as changes of the structure. I was not planning to post on that as I thought that would have little interest. But is that what you were after or something else?




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/26/2018 12:52:57 PM)

Turns 22 to 37 Operation Pegasus Plucked: A Retrosective on our 1941/42 Winter - Wintering

When we started the game we hoped to send all our motorised units and our best morale infantry to winter quarters protected from the effects of the full blizzard. Given contingencies we might not achieve this but at least it was held as the ideal. They could be assigned to OKH to give more command space to other units such as forts and broken down regiments. In particular our best leaders in panzer corps could command more of the front line infantry. This would avoid the large vehicle loss penalties and preserve unit morale levels as at the end of the summer in 1941 for the summer in 1942.

While some advocate sending them to Poland or Germany for the winter, our preference was simply to place them in the cities and urban areas we had conquered. This would have the same effect of protecting them and they could remain close for emergencies. It would also mean the garrison units they would be replacing, mostly allies and security, would be brought to front lines even if only to act as MP eaters, routing fodder or diggers.

Feedback from another game with a similar reserve policy showed how deadly it could be even in the latest versions of the game. It was said the Soviets held the advantage right through 1941 and in to the blizzard. But when the motorised forces and good infantry came out of winter quarters for the summer campaign with full ToEs and morale in the 90s it led to a knockout blow. But it was felt the large number of wins it gave to the Soviets during the blizzard allowed them to max out on guards creation and this could have been moderated.

timmyab's plan called for half of the motorised forces to remain on the front lines in the south and not to use southern allies at all.

In the end we did use southern allies in the south on the basis that they were mixed in with German units, so there would not be any general sections of the front lines collapsing because of them. Many southern allies outperformed our expectations, with some significant helds, and the cavalry brigades were good reserve activators in the blizzard with all the advantages then that they did not have during the summer. The mountain units were, as expected, useful. But even when southern allies did rout they were simply withdrawn to the rear to be garrison troops and recover. Some units such as the Italian infantry cycled several times from front line service to being refitted in the rear and back again during the winter. This meant many movement points of our enemy were used on attacking them, and our allies took attrition losses in place of Germans. On the other hand significant numbers of wins were farmed leading to many units and even an army attaining guards status. And the German units standing shoulder to shoulder with the allies also were more battered. The 17th army for instance had many German infantry units with morale in the 50s.

We also moderated the wintering policy to allow some motorised units to remain in the front, in particular
i) Motorised units that were withdrawing before the 1942 offensive so we did not care where their morale gets to - 10Panzer, Das Reich, LAH, 900 Lehr
ii) Motorised units that were already at or below 85 morale
iii) Motorised units that gave a bonus to national morale that would get them back to above 85 morale - Gross Deutschland, Totenkopf, Wiking (although the latter two would need to be brought into rear and refitted to a better morale before the national morale changes down too much)
But we hoped to keep other motorised units with moral above 85 in winter quarters. With these levels a motorised unit can travel through 25 clear enemy hexes at best rather than 16. For similar reasons we hoped to winter many of our highest morale infantry.

Finally we hoped to avoid the use of motorised support units for similar reasons and even maybe keep a few panzer corps HQs above 85 morale (for better movement behind thir units when they are moving far)

The Results

In practise many more motorised units were left out still. We have a core of wintered motorised units with high morale units but fewer than it could have been. Many AFVs were lost, particularly due to the bad weather penalties on damaged vehicles in logisitcs. Many more motorised SUs were used, especially more motorised flak than we had envisioned given the lack of any enemy air force. And our cohort of self-propelled anti tank support units is pretty much spent. However this was the flip side to a much harder blizzard defence, and even offence, that has left us better off for our summer plans. And our own team doctrine has moved to see flak units as being intended parts of the ground war too.

Also there was some disquiet in the way motorised units reassigned to OKH and the rear were intially split down into regiments and used willy nilly wherever there was a garrison need. This meant a panzer division could see one of its regiments in a city in the far north and another in the far south. This was needed to get the summer garrison troops out and to their new winter positions as quickly as possible. Such a system does need tight control and efficient use of rail capacity and maximum ToEs after the blizzard to pull these units together again when and where they are needed. This can be done in a solo game. But is this possible in a team game where use of resources such as rail capacity is distributed?




xhoel -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/26/2018 2:03:32 PM)

Very nice inside on the matters of wintering too. A quick question: what does the morale of HQ units do? Since you mentioned better movement behind their units what does that mean?




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/26/2018 3:58:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xhoel
Very nice inside on the matters of wintering too. A quick question: what does the morale of HQ units do? Since you mentioned better movement behind their units what does that mean?


Usually when I answer that someone makes a comment about femto management - you have been warned!

A motorised unit needs 2MPs to cross a clear enemy hex captured that turn if its morale is 86 or higher, 3MPs if below. So a motorised unit with 86 morale could potentially travel 25 hexes into enemy terrain, but only 16 if morale 84 say.

There have been times when I have had high morale panzer units that have travelled far, but the corps HQ on a slightly lower morale is not able to keep up with them. So at the end of an exploitation move by panzers, the HQ is not able to catch up with them and be within 5 hexes of them, let alone a place it can be safe at. A similar thing has happened when I wanted an airbase to follow up in the same turn as a staging base etc. (this by the way is one of the few advantages getting an airbase to guards status has)

So other things being equal - and if not needed elsewhere or for anything else - then stick some of your corps HQs and airbases into winter protected hexes too. If there is no downside then there is no reason not to? Or is that too much detail? [:D]




Zorch -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/26/2018 4:46:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch
The only thing not mentioned is the handling of air assets.


That request got me interested. A lot of the blizzard relatively little use was made of the air force on map. But there was quite a lot of swaps and pools management, as well as changes of the structure. I was not planning to post on that as I thought that would have little interest. But is that what you were after or something else?

Yes, that is it. Also, did you have contingency plans to use the Luftwaffe if the Soviets broke through?
I suppose you have reallocated air assets in preparation for the summer offensive.




Telemecus -> RE: 8MP Pegasus Plucked (7/26/2018 6:49:13 PM)

Turns 22 to 37 Operation Pegasus Plucked: A Retrosective on our 1941/42 Winter - Manpower and Equipment

In this game we set maximum ToEs on units deliberately to maximise the ToEs of German infantry divisions as we came out of the blizzard. Key chokepoints tend to be German manpower and arms points. So we set to a maximum of 20% all support units that were replaced using arms points except pioneers from turn 1 - so all artillery and flak units for example had no replacements in 1941. We also choked replacements of withdrawing units from the start - 20% if a support unit, 50% if an HQ but 70% if an on map unit. As on map units only are allowed to withdraw if they have a minimum 75% ToE, but automtically go to refit in the turns before they leave, this usually placed them just above 75% when they had to leave. Some units like LAH which withdraws were left on 100% of ToE before their upgrade as this became approximately 70% of ToE after their upgrade (before they left). Our motorised on map units and best infantry in winter quarters were also set to a maximum of 20% ToE at the start of blizzard. And in more static parts of the North command our north commander also further choked his ToEs.

As a result of this at no point during the blizzard did we run out of arms points. And by the end we did have enough arms points to refill all our on map units. Indeed we could have started opening the taps again on some of our units like the artillery much earlier. We still lack German manpower however.

In addition to this there was a need to ration manpower and equipment where this was always in short supply. So Finnish manpower was usually directed to only the best units, and where there was not enough AFVs for all units, only the best were open to replacements.

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