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Canoerebel -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 2:46:35 PM)
I've undergone the same process after finishing my game with Fabertong. I didn't pick up another, I'm about to wrap up my slow-moving game with Obvert, and I plan to take a similar sabbatical from AE. Hey, after you stand down sufficiently to recover, please consider another match with Obvert. It would be fun to see a more traditional game, that doesn't veer into Oz so early, and see how you manage against him. He's a great player, so how might your fare under ordinary circumstances. Good luck in everything.

Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 4:02:24 PM)
May 5, 1943 About this time, Japan stages a LRCAP trap over Nagasaki, claiming 66 bombers. This prompted the Allies to finally stop their daytime raids and switch to night time bombing of Tokyo, Osaka and other important economic bases. Over the last 3-4 days of the war this provided 6,000 or so strategic VP to the Allies. Japan used Petes, Nicks, Dinah Fighters as the primary night time fighter defense...along with AA, searchlights, radars, forts. [image]local://upfiles/44178/F9C98BD9F92A4C649E5E7042AD42DEED.jpg[/image]

cantona2 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 4:05:55 PM)
Epic game Just a question, what art mod are you using? The map looks great

Canoerebel -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 4:26:48 PM)
That's not an art mod. That's just the vanilla map. I prefer it, too.

cantona2 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 4:48:29 PM)
This is the one I Meant Canoerebel quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Wonder, of wonders, the KB makes Moppo dodging a few submarine attacks, while the Indiana is nowhere to be found...and at dawn, the KB turns into the wind and launches a strike from their depleted decks. Offense is still prioritized -- a scant 10% of fighters are on CAP (but all the Rufe). First strike to the IJN this morning! Poor Hornet! Weather and distance play havoc with coordination.[:(] [image]local://upfiles/44178/927D9460BB614DFEA4848483E959CEF8.jpg[/image]

Canoerebel -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 5:03:22 PM)
Oh. (Doesn't the vanilla look better? It does to me. Vanilla with hexsides turned off is my favorite way to view the game.) P.S. Sorry for hijacking instead of helping.

Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 8:48:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cantona2 Epic game Just a question, what art mod are you using? The map looks great OH, boy. I don't recall, it was so long ago. Perhaps something by Chemkid, probably got it on the dababes web site? I think.

Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/11/2020 9:06:43 PM)
This was one of the great moments of the game![sm=00000055.gif] [image]local://upfiles/44178/F72AB806E54A4770A3D62D768D8AE016.jpg[/image]

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 6:58:37 AM)
Well done, Lowpe. Your willingness to take on a very challenging situation is commendable. This was a groundbreaking match. Cheers, CB

PaxMondo -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 8:13:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: cantona2 Epic game Just a question, what art mod are you using? The map looks great OH, boy. I don't recall, it was so long ago. Perhaps something by Chemkid, probably got it on the dababes web site? I think. Looks like one of chemkids 'dark' variants. he had a bunch of different ones ...

cantona2 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 8:22:45 AM)
Thanks for the replies guys. One more question, this is for DBB mod only?

Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 1:36:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cantona2 Thanks for the replies guys. One more question, this is for DBB mod only? If memory serves it is the extended map variant. I am almost 100% sure there exist versions for stock.

Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 1:41:42 PM)
Final combat at Hiroshima... Just look at the super nasty oob for the Allies and Soviets. The Soviet units are simply monsters, with internal AA and artillery. Ground combat at Hiroshima/Kure (106,58) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 33411 troops, 581 guns, 444 vehicles, Assault Value = 4420 Defending force 61953 troops, 768 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 1132 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Allied adjusted assault: 480 Japanese adjusted defense: 729 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1552 casualties reported Squads: 28 destroyed, 49 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 28 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled Guns lost 29 (2 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1417 casualties reported Squads: 31 destroyed, 75 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 34 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 25 (3 destroyed, 22 disabled) Vehicles lost 56 (3 destroyed, 53 disabled) Assaulting units: 57th Motor Rifle Division 9th Indian Division 11th Indian Division 39th Rifle Brigade 43rd Tank Brigade 2nd Marine Division 263rd Motorized Brigade 209th Tank Brigade 3rd Marine Division 7th Indian Division 35th Rifle Division 111th Tank Division 206th Tank Brigade 193rd Tank Battalion 32nd Infantry Division 9th Armored Car Brigade 36th Motor Rifle Division 61st Tank Div /8 Aus II Corps New Guinea Force 21/22 Field Arty Regiment Defending units: 41st Guard Battalion 63rd Inf Group Brigade 3rd Depot Division 15th/A Division 9th Ind Engineer Regiment 1st/A Division 36th/C Division 57th Depot Division 1st/B Division 5th Depot Division 15th/C Division 15th/B Division 62nd Inf Group Brigade III/124th Infantry Battalion 15th Tank Regiment 303rd Ind.Infantry Battalion 1st/C Division 59th Field AA Battalion 42nd Ind.AA Gun Co 80th JAAF AF Bn 40th JAAF AF Bn 19th JNAF AF Unit 5th Ship Engineer Regiment 104th Ship Eng Coy 31st Field AA Battalion Kure Naval Base Force 302nd Ship Eng Coy 21st AA Regiment 35th Field AA Battalion 93rd JAAF AF Bn 15th Base Force 45th JNAF AF Unit 22nd AA Regiment 25th Air Defense AA Regiment 41st JNAF AF Unit 94th JAAF AF Bn 50th JNAF AF Unit 23rd Air Defense AA Regiment 51st Air Division 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 26th Air Flotilla 2nd JNAF Coy 8th JNAF Coy 5th Base Force 30th Field AA Machinecannon Company 32nd JNAF AF Unit 1st Base Force 209th Ship Eng Coy 4th Naval Construction Battalion 9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 10th JAAF AF Coy

Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 1:57:20 PM)
Night bombing in 43 really has no hard counter for Japan. You can maybe bombard the runways the beasts come from, maybe. Usually bombing the bases is a no go with Allied AA hindering you or distance. 8 raids on Osaka this night, with the 6th raid pictured below. Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft E8N2 Dave x 3 J1N1-S Irving x 2 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2 Allied aircraft DB-3M x 4 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Manpower hits 2 Fires 9825 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x DB-3M bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 10 x 100 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: Tateyama Ku T-2/C with E8N2 Dave (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes 32nd Sentai/A with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters to 11000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes Endo Det with J1N1-S Irving (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling) Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters to 10000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes

Canoerebel -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 2:04:39 PM)
Osaka is a huge industrial target, may be the easiest to strike effectively, and therefore may be the most important for both sides. With its huge general industries and Manpower numbers, a few fires do disproportionate damage. The return on investment can be huge. And if Japan can't blunt the strikes effectively, that would be crippling. Nagasaki is probably second.

Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 2:18:14 PM)
Fire damage! Big VP multiplier here[:(] Fires increase at Hiroshima/Kure Fires increase at Kobe Fires causing damage to Heavy Industry at Nagoya! Fires causing damage to Refinery at Osaka/Kyoto! Fires causing damage to Naval Shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto! Fires increase at Osaka/Kyoto Fires causing damage to Ki-46 KAI Dinah factory at Osaka/Kyoto! Fires causing damage to J2M2 Jack factory at Tokyo! Fires causing damage to Light Industry at Tokyo! Fires causing damage to Nakajima Ha-35 at Tokyo! Fires causing damage to Naval Shipyard at Tokyo! Fires increase at Tokyo Fires causing more damage to Manpower at Tokyo! Fires causing damage to Ki-84a Frank factory at Tokyo!

cantona2 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 2:27:13 PM)
great thanks Lowpe will chase it up

RangerJoe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/12/2020 3:34:13 PM)
The fire caused by burning a curse kimono: quote: The Great fire of Meireki (明暦の大火, Meireki no taika), also known as the Furisode Fire, destroyed 60�70% of the Japanese capital city of Edo (now Tokyo) on March 2, 1657,[1] the third year of the Meireki Imperial era. The fire lasted for three days, and is estimated to have claimed over 100,000 lives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Meireki

obvert -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/25/2020 10:03:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Final combat at Hiroshima... Just look at the super nasty oob for the Allies and Soviets. The Soviet units are simply monsters, with internal AA and artillery. Ground combat at Hiroshima/Kure (106,58) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 33411 troops, 581 guns, 444 vehicles, Assault Value = 4420 Defending force 61953 troops, 768 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 1132 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Allied adjusted assault: 480 Japanese adjusted defense: 729 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1552 casualties reported Squads: 28 destroyed, 49 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 28 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled Guns lost 29 (2 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1417 casualties reported Squads: 31 destroyed, 75 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 34 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 25 (3 destroyed, 22 disabled) Vehicles lost 56 (3 destroyed, 53 disabled) Assaulting units: 57th Motor Rifle Division 9th Indian Division 11th Indian Division 39th Rifle Brigade 43rd Tank Brigade 2nd Marine Division 263rd Motorized Brigade 209th Tank Brigade 3rd Marine Division 7th Indian Division 35th Rifle Division 111th Tank Division 206th Tank Brigade 193rd Tank Battalion 32nd Infantry Division 9th Armored Car Brigade 36th Motor Rifle Division 61st Tank Div /8 Aus II Corps New Guinea Force 21/22 Field Arty Regiment Defending units: 41st Guard Battalion 63rd Inf Group Brigade 3rd Depot Division 15th/A Division 9th Ind Engineer Regiment 1st/A Division 36th/C Division 57th Depot Division 1st/B Division 5th Depot Division 15th/C Division 15th/B Division 62nd Inf Group Brigade III/124th Infantry Battalion 15th Tank Regiment 303rd Ind.Infantry Battalion 1st/C Division 59th Field AA Battalion 42nd Ind.AA Gun Co 80th JAAF AF Bn 40th JAAF AF Bn 19th JNAF AF Unit 5th Ship Engineer Regiment 104th Ship Eng Coy 31st Field AA Battalion Kure Naval Base Force 302nd Ship Eng Coy 21st AA Regiment 35th Field AA Battalion 93rd JAAF AF Bn 15th Base Force 45th JNAF AF Unit 22nd AA Regiment 25th Air Defense AA Regiment 41st JNAF AF Unit 94th JAAF AF Bn 50th JNAF AF Unit 23rd Air Defense AA Regiment 51st Air Division 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 26th Air Flotilla 2nd JNAF Coy 8th JNAF Coy 5th Base Force 30th Field AA Machinecannon Company 32nd JNAF AF Unit 1st Base Force 209th Ship Eng Coy 4th Naval Construction Battalion 9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 10th JAAF AF Coy Only a 1/4 of the units took part in this battle to get some rested and bring disruption down from previous attacks. About 2k AV had just moved in and were still in reserve mode. The next day would have seen the attack of all units in hex. Defenders were strong, but I think it would have gotten at least a 1:1. Soviet units are so tough, even early. The Marines here are also at about 97exp by this point, so they're actually the scariest. Indian IDs were really experienced as well, while the Soviet units across the board have very marginal commanders and gain experience slowly. Only some were above 70 in spite of constant combat.

obvert -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (2/25/2020 10:08:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Osaka is a huge industrial target, may be the easiest to strike effectively, and therefore may be the most important for both sides. With its huge general industries and Manpower numbers, a few fires do disproportionate damage. The return on investment can be huge. And if Japan can't blunt the strikes effectively, that would be crippling. Nagasaki is probably second. Osaka is 2nd. Tokyo is still the most return on investment. Even a strike that sees a lot of hardship from NF and AA will do more damage because the manpower is so high there. Fires just burn for days and keep taking damage off. In the Allied game I'm playing I've found that I can bomb Tokyo for a day or two and then diversify targets to get them burning, then go back to Tokyo after five days and the fires have lasted that long, only just going out before I strike again. My goal for Strat bombing in April 45 is 500VP damage a day on average. In 43 the tools are much less effective but the defences are not in place yet. Japan has no NF and many less AA units, or worse quality before upgrades, than later in 44-45. So once in range huge amounts of damage can be done by simply hitting a lot of targets daily with small strikes and keeping fires going. These are my Strat bombing target priorities in order: 1. Tokyo 2. Osaka/Kyoto 3. Nagoya 4. Kobe 5 Nagasaki/Sasebo (lower because manpower is lower) 6. Fukuoka (high manpower) 7. Hiroshima/Kure (lower because defences are better with naval DP/AA guns in numbers) 8. Yokohama (lower also because naval AA/DP installations are huge and proximity to Tokyo means usually a CAP bleed) 9. Hamamatsu 10. Tsu 11. Shimonoseki 12. Okayama Maebashi and Gifu are important targets, but aircraft/engine factories have to be targeted individually so return on investment for VP gain is less, while strategic impact may be high depending on type of planes made there. So airframe factories might determine specific target priorities as well.

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