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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/22/2019 1:44:10 AM)

It's the very end of August and I did manage to pull off an aerial ambush on Scott's heavy bomber fleet!

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/22/2019 1:46:43 AM)

I'm never sure how reliable these charts are, but the heavies came in during the morning turn and I guessed right that it would be at Amoy. My airforce has lain low for a long time but I think Scott suspected something because he sent sweeps in. But, unfortunately for him they flew in the afternoon. the one annoying mistake I made was that I did not turn replacements off for some of my squadrons so they took replacement aircraft which are not stuck, unrepaired, at Amoy. [:-]

It was not the massacre I hoped for, but it was nice to see some of them go down in flames.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/22/2019 1:48:16 AM)

The basic problem I have is that I cannot leave troops on the coast and the heavy bombers show up and obliterate them. But, if I don't have troops there, then Scott picks up on VP per turn. I suspect that this coast of China is the next invasion spot. Scott took Takao and got a jump in his VP. With those divisions I may come across the Taiwan straits sooner rather than later.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/22/2019 1:50:56 AM)

I do have an another aerial ambush planned over Manila. I flew in a whole LOT of Japanese planes as he bombs there each turn with A-20s and B-25s. He does sweep with P-38s but not too many and sometimes they don't fly. Upon further reflection I should have done this in connection with the Amoy ambush but perhaps Scott will react that that and target Amoy. Or, perhaps not, we'll find out shortly. :)

Manila still has 100K supply on hand so it will likley hold out for quite some time.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/23/2019 7:25:07 PM)

We come to the start of another month (and turn 1,000!). In the crucial VP category, it looks like I picked up 1,428 VP and Scott 3,127. This is not too bad given the loss of Taiwan this month and it less than the amount Scott needs to pass me by and get to 2-1. Just 15 months to go.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/23/2019 7:30:07 PM)

Resource wise I guess that this is fairly typical for this part of the game. Supply is down 105,000, fuel is down 179,000 and oil down 221,000. The big surprise is an increase in heavy industry up 89,000. This is even more surprising as I have some heavy industry in the HI turned off to conserve fuel. I have shut down all ship production (why build VP for Scott) and most fighter production is on hold pending better models that should be coming on line soon. But, I think HI wise I'm pretty much set. Using 250,000 per month with no additional production would take me to November 1945. Expect lots of planes to be built in the near future.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/23/2019 7:37:33 PM)

Now, in a more tactical recap, it was a bad turn to be an A-20 and flying over Manila. [:D] I think that I shot down every A-20 that flew over that city. There were 85 reported in the combat reports so this 112 number is not too far off. The complete destruction of the A-20 groups is confirmed by the total lack of ops losses. And, there were some dead PBY-Liberators as well. It is too bad that this was the turn that the B-25 groups opted to not fly as it would have been nice to get them too, but a very nice air ambush!

The down side was the loss of all the fighters on the ground at Amoy. They were damaged and could not fly so Scott will likely whittle them down over time.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/23/2019 7:40:05 PM)

With Taiwan officially gone I think Scott is going to go for China. The coast is his but I've set up blocking positions with divisions digging in where the units are circled. Hopefully these positions (which are are various crossroads) can hold out until reserves arrive.

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GetAssista -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/23/2019 7:47:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John B.
The big surprise is an increase in heavy industry up 89,000. This is even more surprising as I have some heavy industry in the HI turned off to conserve fuel.

Don't forget that it is supply that is the real bottleneck for Japan in the late game. And HI produces supply



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/23/2019 8:23:05 PM)

I know! That's why I have not shut off HI in any real significant sense. My supply concern right now is the mainland. If Scott goes to China it will be tough to keep units in supply. I just shipped in 135K to Tsingtao (Shanghai is too vulnerable) plus 30K fuel. I built up HI in Shanghai and Mukden early on but even with Chungking and Hong Kong going I'm sure there is not enough HI/LI to keep the mainland supplied. There was a clear shortage given how fast the supply was sucked out of Tsigntao.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/27/2019 12:27:01 AM)

We're about 5 days into September and, as you can see, Scott has landed at Amoy. Not much I could do about that and the only saving grace is that it's far from there to the interior. Of course, Scott is going to have total air superiority and I'm not sure if the brown rough hexes provide any cover like jungle and forest do. I do know that I need to say out of clear hexes. I have my blocking divisions set up and more reinforcements are on the way. From the initial look of things Scott has landed a bunch of armor units. No doubt hoping to fan out.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/27/2019 12:27:51 AM)

On the bright side, he did lose a number of fighters to AAA over Amoy so that will take some of the sting out of the losses there.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/28/2019 8:18:49 PM)

Scott has landed and taken Amoy and the town next to it with very light losses, but that was to be expected. The real fight is inland. But, it's a few turns later and I'm giving it the old college try. Here, I have a very large kamikaze strike set up coming from the circled bases. I have sweeps set for over the landbases as I suspect Scott is providing fighter coverage from the carriers so that will be a way to wear down the CV CAP. Unfortunately, I can only set one Kamikaze group with a range where it will only hit the transport hex so I suspect a lot of them will go after the CVs. I have a few groups set on escort but let's hope the sweeps help to clear the way.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/28/2019 8:20:47 PM)

With Scott's carriers on the wrong side of Taiwan I'm trying to get a CV TF in range to hit the TF that is on the island near Okinawa. Search reports say CAs and CLs but we'll have to see about that. I also have sweeps and a kamikaze group coming in from Okinawa because I'm not sure if the CVs will move the hexes they need to go. Stay tuned. :)

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RangerJoe -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/28/2019 8:56:37 PM)

If you LRCAP his bases it will increase his OP losses for air units based there as well as help out on sweeps.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 3:01:49 PM)

I think that the air losses tell the story this turn. My fighters made heroic efforts to clear away allied CAP and did so. By the end of the morning all of the allied CAP had been exhausted and . . . . . no kamikazes launched. But, in the afternoon, while my remaining fighter jockies rested the kamikazes flew. Right into the teeth of allied CAP that had the chance to rest, have a light lunch, and launch again for an afternoon shoot em up fest.

This has happened before. Do other people have this experience with Kamikazes only flying in the afternoon? It really helps Scott maximize my plane losses when his fighters get to shoot down my fighters and then get a crack at unescorted bombers

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 3:02:46 PM)

The Kamikazes at Okinawa flew in the afternoon but here there was no CAP. They got some hits but it does not look like anything serious on the CAs.

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Gridley380 -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 3:25:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John B.

I think that the air losses tell the story this turn. My fighters made heroic efforts to clear away allied CAP and did so. By the end of the morning all of the allied CAP had been exhausted and . . . . . no kamikazes launched. But, in the afternoon, while my remaining fighter jockies rested the kamikazes flew. Right into the teeth of allied CAP that had the chance to rest, have a light lunch, and launch again for an afternoon shoot em up fest.

This has happened before. Do other people have this experience with Kamikazes only flying in the afternoon? It really helps Scott maximize my plane losses when his fighters get to shoot down my fighters and then get a crack at unescorted bombers



I have been told that there is nothing in the game code that tries to coordinate sweeps with other strikes. I've also been told this isn't a bug.

[8|]



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 3:31:03 PM)

Hi Gridley,

I hear what you're saying! In my experience, if fighters from a base fly in the morning then bombers from teh same base also fly in the morning. In general terms that is how is almost always seems to work. But, in the case of my Kamikazes, they are at the same base as the sweeping fighters but they don't fly until the afternoon thus negating all of the benefits of a fighter sweep. Heavy sigh.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 6:17:57 PM)

Another bad turn in the air. This time it's carrier planes that took it as my carriers finally decided to get close enough for combat. And, of course, a Kamikaze unit that decided to fly in the afternoon. [8|]

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 6:19:02 PM)

Oh, 14 of the Kamikazes made it thought the CAP but could not hit a single transport or AK or any ship at all. Even ships at anchor. Are Kamiakaze's even worth it. Lots of planes die but for near real reason.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 6:21:48 PM)

The Carrier planes, however, managed to get through. With a very small strike I got two hits on a CV (which includes an ammo storage explosion) and and a single hit on two other CVs (the one on fire had a fuel storage explosion). The one that took two torpedo hits and an ammo storage explosion would be nice to get as it may have planes on it. If it sinks, it makes the day's total a minor win for Japan since the total points would be less than 2-1 in Scott's favor.

My carriers were not attacked and are heading back to Tokyo.

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Gridley380 -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 8:35:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John B.

Oh, 14 of the Kamikazes made it thought the CAP but could not hit a single transport or AK or any ship at all. Even ships at anchor. Are Kamiakaze's even worth it. Lots of planes die but for near real reason.


The first time I played to '45, I let the fast carrier force get too close to Japan without upping the CAP. I lost three or four fleet carriers in a single day. To the AI.

No idea what the proper settings are, but they certainly can work. [:@]



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 8:59:40 PM)

Well there is better news today. As you can see, heavy Kamkaize losses, but, on the allied side, the lost one the field numbers indicate that one of his CVEs went down. And, Scott is coming in low over Manila and taking some heavy flak losses as a result. These 17 are all medium bombers. Manila is down to 92K supply but it's nice that he's concentrating his effort there with such a large part of his airforce.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 9:01:01 PM)

Further, Kamikazes flying out of Manila made the mark. Here you can see that two US DD's, that each got one hit in the a.m. were badly damaged and on fire in the p.m.. There were sinking sounds.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 9:02:57 PM)

Also flying out of Manila was this strike that got an AP and an AM. A sub put a torpedo in the AP later on to it's really gone but this was a nice days work by the pixels. VP wise, if I lost 40 VP to dead planes but took out two DDs (22 VP) a 3 point AM and a large AP then it's pretty much an even trade which works fine for me.



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RangerJoe -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 9:48:28 PM)

Just keep raising the denominator by sinking the small vessels.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 9:55:22 PM)

The DD's aren't too bad as they're worth 10-11 VP each.



RangerJoe -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/29/2019 10:22:12 PM)

Every little bit helps. Some people like to send those on raids deep into your supply routes. I find torpedo bombers with bombs at 1000 feet are pretty effective.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (8/30/2019 8:37:10 PM)

I basically have no supply routes anymore. I send supplies to china and that's it. I have supply at Guam and Saipan and they get more supplies now and again but I can't get anything to Manila except what I fly in so most of my ships are in port.



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