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The other issue with trying to model subs is that we don't have a way to model ship-board torpedoes. If you try to model them as guns, then they can bombard land targets with them.

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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The other issue with trying to model subs is that we don't have a way to model ship-board torpedoes. If you try to model them as guns, then they can bombard land targets with them.

Ah, right ... we don't want flying torpedoes with a range of 100km's hitting Washington, D.C.!

However, one of those Gun Icons will shoot at ships but won't shoot at land targets, so there is already something in TOAW that makes the distinction. Do you know what is is, or should I look into it and report back?

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

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ORIGINAL: John T_MatrixForum

Exactly.
Your quote is from the Air recon section, I understands surface recon as either in a cloud and no visibility or full visibility.
25 000 meters at daytime and 10 000 meters night time.

the meteorological definitions of
fog is visibility < 1 000 meters and
haze between 1 000 and 10 000 meters
And meteorological visibility is how far away you see a easily distinguished object,
a camouflaged small vessel is another story.

So that why I say that Visibility isn't really affected by bad weather.

But it is affected, just as you've described.

Presence of clouds doesn't mean that they extend all the way to the ground. So, the 15/30% figures allow for planes to somewhat fly under the ceiling. Furthermore, air spotting doesn't just spot the ships, it can spot the wakes of those ships as well, which extend multiple times the length of the ship. And a "small" vessel is still huge compared to ground targets, with no way to hide.

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The international definition of fog is a visibility of less than 1 kilometre (3,300 ft); mist is a visibility of between 1 kilometre (0.62 mi) and 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) and haze from 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) to 5 kilometres (3.1 mi).

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ORIGINAL: John T_MatrixForum

in TOAW visibility is in three steps
The Very best visibility possible - 25 000 meters
Very good visibility - 21 250 meters
Good visibility. - 17 500 meters

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to quote wikipedia:

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The international definition of fog is a visibility of less than 1 kilometre (3,300 ft); mist is a visibility of between 1 kilometre (0.62 mi) and 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) and haze from 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) to 5 kilometres (3.1 mi).

I think visibility should be reduced to 30% and 15% of the clear visibility.

(or have I misread the text above?)

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

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ORIGINAL: John T_MatrixForum

in TOAW visibility is in three steps
The Very best visibility possible - 25 000 meters
Very good visibility - 21 250 meters
Good visibility. - 17 500 meters

Not really correct. Visibility is 25km with a 15/30% chance of 0km.

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

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to quote wikipedia:

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The international definition of fog is a visibility of less than 1 kilometre (3,300 ft); mist is a visibility of between 1 kilometre (0.62 mi) and 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) and haze from 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) to 5 kilometres (3.1 mi).

I think visibility should be reduced to 30% and 15% of the clear visibility.

(or have I misread the text above?)

No. But you are misinterpreting what a "cloud" represents in game terms. They aren't always ground-level fog/mist. Their ceiling is probabilistic.

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ORIGINAL: John T_MatrixForum

And this check is done once per phase, once per hex moved per unit or once per each unit within range?

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always ground-level fog if spotter are surface ship, but not always If the spotter are an air unit, I got it right?