ExNusquam -> RE: AAW Patrol question (7/6/2017 12:56:37 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Hongjian In the real world, it seems that there are defensive techniques that helps SARH equipped planes to maintain lock within gimbal limits of their FCR while engaging in maneuvers designed to bleed out the energy of enemy missiles. Examples like "Snaking" would be these (from the DCS/LockOn simulator game): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RzT8N934sQ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiL5MV2-M3c I'd be hesitant about quoting DCS when it comes to missile kinematics. DCS doesn't model missile lofting, and thus tends to exaggerate the amount of energy the missile will bleed with G/α. As it currently stands, missiles in C:MANO don't bleed any energy for G/α (except for the extra distance traveled) - an improved missile model and improved BVR maneuvers are high on my wish list. The abstracted model presently gives good results, but improving one side is going to require improving the other. It would be nice to see BVR defensive tactics modeled to reflect maneuvers that create problems for missile intercept (Something like this, for example), but that's a can of worms that may have to wait for Command 2. quote:
ORIGINAL: Cik personally i actually think command undermodels the advantages of ARH missiles. cheap shot + turn away allows you to kill stuff with almost no hope of reprisal and command does not really model all the dirty tricks you can get up to with ARH AAMs. Are you talking about "taking a cheap shot" where the missile is completely unsupported, or the actual term CHEAPSHOT where an AIM-120 is supported to it's HPRF active range? Everything I've read indicates that AIM-120 launches are almost worthless without some kind of support to ensure that the target is actually in the missiles acquisition bucket when it goes active (this likely applies to AA-12/PL-12 as well). Emphasis mine. quote:
ORIGINAL: Tornado F3 in Focus: A Navigator's Eye on Britain's Last Interceptor The first level of AMRAAM integration was the Capability Sustainment Programme (CSP) in 1999-2002, but it took some time to convince a skeptical Air Plans that adding AMRAAM without the mid-course guidance was too little, too late, and would invite continuing obsolescence despite significant cost. quote:
ORIGINAL: An F-4F ICE (AIM-120 and APG-65) pilot commenting on BVR tactics in this thread ROE will always be paramount - but in a -120 Scenario with a obviously aware Bandit (as he´s flying hot to you) you should have a missile in the air at that distance and should be supporting it. Usually before launch and thereafter you want that supporting data to be accurate and with minimal chance of losing the radar contact. TWS is based on predicting the targets moves while it scans (briefly) another one. At 15nm a (smart) aware bandit will maneuver and therefore has a high chance of dropping out of the volume of air TWS expects it to be in in the next radar sweep. The radar contact is lost, your SA goes down and the missile is no longer supported. TWS is good for getting a general overview - but not something to use at close range or with maneuvering contacts. You want to be in STT to shoot and keep that to support the missile. Your formation should have gained enough SA before the shots (i.e. well before meld range) and sorted accordingly. Some aircraft have "HD-TWS" which may be used at closer ranges against better maneuvering targets. The standard TWS, as seen in this radar, is not recommended for the above mentioned reasons. The assumption is that in real life, you're shooting at someone who very much wants to stay alive, and they will be maneuvering aggressively, with the intent that they will not be where your missile originally expected them to be. The missile won't acquire the target, and you've wasted a shot. The brevity term CHEAPSHOT is simply leaving the missile with a less reliable independent solution than waiting for PITBULL at MPRF active. Given range uncertainty with HPRF, the missile will have a lower PoH than if it received updates all the way to PITBULL. The actual mechanics of the communication with the missile get classified very quickly, and there's really no open source discussion on it beyond that it uses the launching aircraft radar.
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