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mikmykWS -> Ship Group info needed. (7/12/2017 7:31:37 PM)

Hi All. I'm looking to update the various ship group imports and wondering if anybody can give me any known ship or carrier group compositions. I've already scoured most mil and photo sites so basic googling etc. covered. Looking for old unclassified stuff, particularly UK, French and Soviet groups If you served in a couple and its ok to post them please do let me know. Thanks!



Filitch -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/18/2017 7:57:21 AM)

You mean concrete examples (from photographs, documents) or the sample composition of groups for different purpose from tactical guides?



mikmykWS -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/18/2017 2:42:40 PM)

Yeah exactly. the goal is to build out a good set of imports for players to use or use as a reference when building their own groups. The research method is studying historical pictures and orders of battle. Key data points are ship names and date and if possible air group.

Thanks

Mike



Filitch -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/22/2017 5:43:08 PM)

Hi Mike,
Is such information useful for you?

September 1983
OS (Task force)
Novorossyisk (Pr.1143.3, Kiev)
Alexander NEvskyy (Pr.68bis)
Admiral Zozulya (Pr.1134, Kresta)
Sovremenny (Pr.956, Sovremenny)
Otchayanny (Pr.956, Sovremenny)
Marshal Timoshenko (Pr.1134A, Kresta II)
Admiral Yumashev (Pr.1134A, Kresta II)
Stroiny (Pr.61M, Kashin Mod)

October 1984
ASW operation against unknown US SSN
KPUG (Ship search-strike group)
Novorossyisk (Pr.1143.3, Kiev)
Nikolayev (Pr.1134B, Kara)
Vasiliy Chapayev (Pr.1134A, Kresta II)
Storozhevoy (Pr.1135, Krivak)
K-242 (Pr.671RTM, Victor III)
K-535(?) (Probably Pr.671RTM, Victor III)
B-855 (Pr.641, Foxtrot)
B-229 (Pr.877, Kilo)
B-404 (Pr.877, Kilo)

March 1985
OS (Task force)
Novorossyisk (Pr.1143.3, Kiev)
Aviation group: 14 Yak-38, 2 Yak-38U, 10 Ka-27PL, 1 Ka-27PS, 2 Ka-25Ts, 1 Ka-25PS
Nikolayev (Pr.1134B, Kara)
Tashkent (Pr.1134B, Kara)
Tallin (Pr.1134B, Kara)
Vasiliy Chapayev (Pr.1134A, Kresta II)
Revnostny (Pr.1135, Krivak)
Poryvisty (Pr.1135, Krivak)
K-360 (Pr.671RTM, Victor III)
Oilers:
Vladimir Kolechitskiy (Pr.1559V)
Ilim (Pr.160)
Water tanker:
Anadyr (Pr.561)






mikmykWS -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/22/2017 7:26:42 PM)

Yeah but found these the other day a well.

Thanks!

Mike



mikmykWS -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/22/2017 9:56:35 PM)

BTW you notice how few Kirov was tasked as an escort for Kievs etc.? Kresta's got that role mostly where as the CGNs seem to be the group center. Although this is just anecdotal it seems Western sources wheren't always correct on group compositions.

Mike



Filitch -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/25/2017 5:28:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk
Yeah but found these the other day a well.

Do we use same sources?



Filitch -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/25/2017 5:33:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

BTW you notice how few Kirov was tasked as an escort for Kievs etc.? Kresta's got that role mostly where as the CGNs seem to be the group center. Although this is just anecdotal it seems Western sources wheren't always correct on group compositions.


This is enough interesting topic - opinion of Soviet Navy on role of Kiev class. A little bit latter I will write my notice about it.



ClaudeJ -> RE: Ship Group info needed. (7/28/2017 11:54:44 PM)

French CV in First Indochina War

- A609 Dixmude, 03/03/47-14/04/47, 3F (9x SBD-5 Dauntless) + cargo (17 Morane 500 + 12 Spitfire in crates, 360t various cargo, 36 passengers), no escort.
- A609 Dixmude, 21/10/47-03/04/48, 4F (9x SBD-5 Dauntless) + cargo (12 AAC1 Toucan + 12 Spitfire in crates), no escort.
- R95 Arromanches, 29/11/48-04/01/49, 4F (10x SBD-5 Dauntless) , F705 Marocain (Cannon class, ex-DE109).
- A609 Dixmude, 22/07/49-08/08/49, transports 20 P-63C5 Kingcobra (GC II/5 "Ile de France") + cargo (12 AAC1 Toucan in crates, 377t various cargo, 178 passengers).
- A609 Dixmude, 28/10/50-21/11/50, transports 40 F6F-5 Hellcat from San Francisco to Saïgon.
- R95 Arromanches, 24/09/51-18/05/52, 1F (F6F-5 Hellcat), 4F (TBM-3E Avenger) and 1x Sikorsky S-51, D612 Malin (Le Fantasque class).
- R95 Arromanches, 29/09/52-27/02/53, 12F (16x F6F-5 Hellcat + 6 reserves), 9F (12x B2C-5 Helldiver + 4 reserves) and 58S (2x Sikorsky S-51), F705 Marocain (Cannon class, ex-DE109).
- R96 La Fayette, 09/04/53-12/05/53, 12F and 9F, no escort.
- R95 Arromanches, 29/09/53-21/08/54, 11F (ex-1F, 12x F6F-5 Hellcat + 6 reserves), 3F (12x SB2C-5 Helldiver + 4 reserves) and 58S (2x Sikorsky S-51), F702 Sénégalais (Cannon class, ex-Corbesier DE106).
- R97 Bois Belleau, 30/04/54-14/11/55, delivers 32 Toofani (MD-450 Ouragan) to India, Tunisien (F706, Cannon class, ex-Crosley DE108).
- A609 Dixmude, 07/08/54-09/10/54, 2x HUP-2, transport 11F and 3F back home.
- R96 La Fayette, 03/05/55-11/06/55, 12F (F4U-7 Corsair).
- R96 La Fayette, 11/02/56-03/05/56, 15F (F4U-7 Corsair).

French Task Unit 345.4.2 in the Suez Crisis

29 October 1956 – 6 November 1956
- R95 Arromanches, 14F (14x F4U-7 Corsair), 9F (5x TBM-3W Avenger + 5 TBM-3S Avenger) and 23S (2x HUP-2)
- R96 La Fayette, 15F (18x F4U-7 Corsair), 14F (4x F4U-7 Corsair) and 23S (2x HUP-2)
- D621 Surcouf (T47 class)
- D624 Bouvet (T47 class)
- D623 Cassard (T47 class)
- F761 Le Corse (E50 class)
- F762 Le Brestois (E50 class)
- F763 Le Boulonnais (E50 class)
- F764 Le Bordelais (E50 class)


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Notes :
Dates in Indochina are actual presence on theater, dd/mm/yy.
F is for "Flotille"
S is for "eScadrille"

Sources :
"Les porte-avions Dixmude et Arromanches" (1998), Jean Moulin, ISBN : 978-2909675398.
"Conway's all the world's fighting ships 1947-1995" (1996), ISBN: 978-1557501325.
http://www.ffaa.net/
http://www.netmarine.net/



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