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thewood1 -> Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 7:58:23 PM)
Are there any disadvantages to converting to Steam? Can I keep my Matrix install? Is there any point in keeping it? Can I just update the Steam install with Service Releases and community scenarios? I am considering it because of some of the scenarios I have seen on Steam's workshop.

ExNusquam -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 8:44:25 PM)
The only disadvantage I've noticed is that Steam reminds you of how much time you spend in Command.

kevinkins -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 9:06:32 PM)
Steam extracts a fee from developers. Many players understandably avoid middle men like Steam. To each everyone's own. Kevin

HalfLifeExpert -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 9:22:43 PM)
You still keep your Matrix copy (I still have my box one that was the original gift I received). As a long time Steam user (almost 13 years), I would say that the best advantage in the case of CMANO is automatic updates, as well as access to Steam Workshop. You can still install beta updates manually, and all of the user scenarios are still fully compatible. Steam also make reinstalls very efficient, as you automatically re-download/install the latest version, no need to install different updates in the right order. And you are not required to be connected to the internet to play once you activate your key and download/install CMANO.

thewood1 -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 9:39:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kevinkin Steam extracts a fee from developers. Many players understandably avoid middle men like Steam. To each everyone's own. Kevin So do you boycott all distribution businesses? I am assuming you must home grow all of your food, because there are on average 8-10 companies between you and a farm for a typical meal at home. I am also assuming that you think Matrix pays nothing for distributing games, processing payments, marketing, etc. through its sites. I am not for or against Steam, but I discern little difference between Steam and the other companies that Matrix works with to process games to retail. I would bet, to the warfaresims guys, Matrix is just another version of Steam.

cdcool -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 9:45:54 PM)
On Steam, you can only sometimes play one game at once if you care about such addictions. Steam knows if you are trying to double-dip at the same time.

thewood1 -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 9:49:43 PM)
So you mean two different versions of Command running? I do that a lot after patches to check on issues.

cdcool -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 9:52:44 PM)
any two STEAM games, War in the West and Command or whatever. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't, it will ask you to shut down one.

HalfLifeExpert -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/21/2017 11:53:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thewood1 quote: ORIGINAL: kevinkin Steam extracts a fee from developers. Many players understandably avoid middle men like Steam. To each everyone's own. Kevin So do you boycott all distribution businesses? I am assuming you must home grow all of your food, because there are on average 8-10 companies between you and a farm for a typical meal at home. I am also assuming that you think Matrix pays nothing for distributing games, processing payments, marketing, etc. through its sites. I am not for or against Steam, but I discern little difference between Steam and the other companies that Matrix works with to process games to retail. I would bet, to the warfaresims guys, Matrix is just another version of Steam. Yeah, I mean, its basically an obvious assumption for a service like Steam or Matrix to take some money from every sale. That's how Valve benefits and makes money from having 3rd party games on Steam. They only make so much from their catalogue of titles. While there were some bumps in the road, Steam has been a godsend for independent developers. Introversion Software (which made such games as DEFCON, Darwinia and their most recent title Prison Architect), was among the first indie developers to put their few products on Steam. They had some financial problems a couple times in their 16 year history, and it was literally sales of their games on Steam that kept them alive as a company. The company's wiki page gives some details and sources on the company's history, and as an example of a great indie developer success story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introversion_Software quote: ORIGINAL: cdcool any two STEAM games, War in the West and Command or whatever. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't, it will ask you to shut down one. Why exactly would you want to run two games at a time? I never thought of such a limitation because it never crossed my mind to play two games at once. I've been using Steam almost as long as it has been in existence, and I honestly do not understand most of the criticism. I am especially irritated when people refer to Steam as the company (i.e. "Steam needs to fix this"). Valve is the company, Steam is the service/software.

cdcool -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 1:18:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HalfLifeExpert quote: ORIGINAL: thewood1 quote: ORIGINAL: kevinkin Steam extracts a fee from developers. Many players understandably avoid middle men like Steam. To each everyone's own. Kevin So do you boycott all distribution businesses? I am assuming you must home grow all of your food, because there are on average 8-10 companies between you and a farm for a typical meal at home. I am also assuming that you think Matrix pays nothing for distributing games, processing payments, marketing, etc. through its sites. I am not for or against Steam, but I discern little difference between Steam and the other companies that Matrix works with to process games to retail. I would bet, to the warfaresims guys, Matrix is just another version of Steam. Yeah, I mean, its basically an obvious assumption for a service like Steam or Matrix to take some money from every sale. That's how Valve benefits and makes money from having 3rd party games on Steam. They only make so much from their catalogue of titles. While there were some bumps in the road, Steam has been a godsend for independent developers. Introversion Software (which made such games as DEFCON, Darwinia and their most recent title Prison Architect), was among the first indie developers to put their few products on Steam. They had some financial problems a couple times in their 16 year history, and it was literally sales of their games on Steam that kept them alive as a company. The company's wiki page gives some details and sources on the company's history, and as an example of a great indie developer success story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introversion_Software quote: ORIGINAL: cdcool any two STEAM games, War in the West and Command or whatever. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't, it will ask you to shut down one. Why exactly would you want to run two games at a time? I never thought of such a limitation because it never crossed my mind to play two games at once. I've been using Steam almost as long as it has been in existence, and I honestly do not understand most of the criticism. I am especially irritated when people refer to Steam as the company (i.e. "Steam needs to fix this"). Valve is the company, Steam is the service/software. Why play two Steam games at once? maybe because I have a dual monitor setup or Steam setup on another computer and I want to play two games at once..LOL or have them running at the same time because I enjoy multitasking and playing two or more games at once..LOL Steam is a Cloud storage company for pc games, I like having all my games in one place. I haven't criticized Steam, I've been on it longer than you, I'm just stating a limitation which is a fact. When Steam first started, you could only install on your root drive, do you remember that?

thewood1 -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 1:36:19 AM)
I didn't mean to make it seem that I never used Steam. About half my games are on steam. Its just that with all the third party stuff and constant service updates, I was concerned that Steam might not be a great platform for a game that requires a lot of manual intervention.

HalfLifeExpert -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 1:42:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cdcool quote: ORIGINAL: HalfLifeExpert quote: ORIGINAL: thewood1 quote: ORIGINAL: kevinkin Steam extracts a fee from developers. Many players understandably avoid middle men like Steam. To each everyone's own. Kevin So do you boycott all distribution businesses? I am assuming you must home grow all of your food, because there are on average 8-10 companies between you and a farm for a typical meal at home. I am also assuming that you think Matrix pays nothing for distributing games, processing payments, marketing, etc. through its sites. I am not for or against Steam, but I discern little difference between Steam and the other companies that Matrix works with to process games to retail. I would bet, to the warfaresims guys, Matrix is just another version of Steam. Yeah, I mean, its basically an obvious assumption for a service like Steam or Matrix to take some money from every sale. That's how Valve benefits and makes money from having 3rd party games on Steam. They only make so much from their catalogue of titles. While there were some bumps in the road, Steam has been a godsend for independent developers. Introversion Software (which made such games as DEFCON, Darwinia and their most recent title Prison Architect), was among the first indie developers to put their few products on Steam. They had some financial problems a couple times in their 16 year history, and it was literally sales of their games on Steam that kept them alive as a company. The company's wiki page gives some details and sources on the company's history, and as an example of a great indie developer success story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introversion_Software quote: ORIGINAL: cdcool any two STEAM games, War in the West and Command or whatever. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't, it will ask you to shut down one. Why exactly would you want to run two games at a time? I never thought of such a limitation because it never crossed my mind to play two games at once. I've been using Steam almost as long as it has been in existence, and I honestly do not understand most of the criticism. I am especially irritated when people refer to Steam as the company (i.e. "Steam needs to fix this"). Valve is the company, Steam is the service/software. Why play two Steam games at once? maybe because I have a dual monitor setup or Steam setup on another computer and I want to play two games at once..LOL or have them running at the same time because I enjoy multitasking and playing two or more games at once..LOL Steam is a Cloud storage company for pc games, I like having all my games in one place. I haven't criticized Steam, I've been on it longer than you, I'm just stating a limitation which is a fact. When Steam first started, you could only install on your root drive, do you remember that? Steam is more than just cloud storage for games. I installed steam games on large internal secondary drives before installing games on separate drives was an official feature, by doing the simplest thing and installing steam on the secondary drive. I don't think I am fully understanding the limitation you speak of. You cannot be logged into your steam account on two separate machines simultaneously. That is just as simple security and counter piracy measure, that is all. Plus many pre-steam games had something like this by requiring the CD/DVD be inserted to play, so that is nothing new. Regarding multi tasking more than one game on the same machine, well I think you might be in the minority on that, you are honestly the first person I have heard of claiming to want to do such things. On Steam longer than me? I am curious, what was your first Steam game? Mine was Half Life 2, I got it as an Xmas gift in 2004, and created my Steam account that morning of Dec 25 2004, as it was required to play Half Life 2. Half Life 2 was basically steam's launch title when that game was released on November 16, 2004. There were a handful of Valve's previous titles on Steam before that, but it was basically introduced to the gaming world with Half Life 2.

HalfLifeExpert -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 1:46:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thewood1 I didn't mean to make it seem that I never used Steam. About half my games are on steam. Its just that with all the third party stuff and constant service updates, I was concerned that Steam might not be a great platform for a game that requires a lot of manual intervention. As far as I can tell, you shouldn't have much issues with CMANO on Steam. I really haven't had any issues with CMANO that were Steam related.

cdcool -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 2:23:30 AM)
Steam is more than just cloud storage for games. I installed steam games on large internal secondary drives before installing games on separate drives was an official feature, by doing the simplest thing and installing steam on the secondary drive. I don't think I am fully understanding the limitation you speak of. You cannot be logged into your steam account on two separate machines simultaneously. That is just as simple security and counter piracy measure, that is all. Plus many pre-steam games had something like this by requiring the CD/DVD be inserted to play, so that is nothing new. Regarding multi tasking more than one game on the same machine, well I think you might be in the minority on that, you are honestly the first person I have heard of claiming to want to do such things. On Steam longer than me? I am curious, what was your first Steam game? Mine was Half Life 2, I got it as an Xmas gift in 2004, and created my Steam account that morning of Dec 25 2004, as it was required to play Half Life 2. Half Life 2 was basically steam's launch title when that game was released on November 16, 2004. There were a handful of Valve's previous titles on Steam before that, but it was basically introduced to the gaming world with Half Life 2. [/quote] I didn't say Steam was only for Storage, I can run my Steam account on two computers and have done it and just did 5 minutes ago, sometimes it wants to kick me out of one game. I can't help you if you can't understand why I would want to do that. I have two gaming computers and so it's helpful to be able to do that at times when I'm playing strategy games and comparing games such as War in the East and West at the same time and beta testing. My first Steam Account was created around the same time 2004, maybe you win here, maybe, my son took over that account and I had to start a new in 2008. I've been on Steam forever, Right now I'm playing Blitzkrieg and Civilization V which are both on Steam on two different computers with the same account mine...LOL I can have two Matrix games such as TOAW and Command running at the same time, and can do the same on Steam sometimes. Steam gave me the same official answer you provided, maybe they changed the policy now, I haven't checked, I just know it works now.It's a limitation of Steam whether you care about it or not, I'm sure I'm not the only one wanting to do this.

michaelm75au -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 9:46:50 AM)
The same version of Command runs on both Steam and Matrix. On Steam, you may have quicker access to new scenarios. However, updates to Steam tend to lag behind; you can manually add SR updates to the Steam copy and Steam will eventually override it with the official updates when it sees them. I have both on my PC; trick is sometimes making sure the updates are applied correctly.[:D]

cdcool -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 1:06:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelm The same version of Command runs on both Steam and Matrix. On Steam, you may have quicker access to new scenarios. However, updates to Steam tend to lag behind; you can manually add SR updates to the Steam copy and Steam will eventually override it with the official updates when it sees them. I have both on my PC; trick is sometimes making sure the updates are applied correctly.[:D] [:)]

thewood1 -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 1:29:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelm The same version of Command runs on both Steam and Matrix. On Steam, you may have quicker access to new scenarios. However, updates to Steam tend to lag behind; you can manually add SR updates to the Steam copy and Steam will eventually override it with the official updates when it sees them. I have both on my PC; trick is sometimes making sure the updates are applied correctly.[:D] That was actually the info I was looking for...thanks much-ly.

Peter66 -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 6:26:23 PM)
Steam does allow you play two games at once. I've never had an issue after an update to Steam about 2-3 years ago. I also run Steam version of Command on two computers at the same time with no issues. Hope that clears some things up with some members.

cdcool -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 6:56:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Peter66 Steam does allow you play two games at once. I've never had an issue after an update to Steam about 2-3 years ago. I also run Steam version of Command on two computers at the same time with no issues. Hope that clears some things up with some members. It's officially against Steams policy, but yes you can if one is one is offline

Peter66 -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 7:31:05 PM)
Just booted two games up at once through Steam while in Online mode. Worked perfectly fine. Could you please show me where it is against their policy? I think, although maybe mistaken, that you are referring to their Source engine games; which can not be used at the same time.

cdcool -> RE: Converting to Steam (8/22/2017 7:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Peter66 Just booted two games up at once through Steam while in Online mode. Worked perfectly fine. Could you please show me where it is against their policy? I think, although maybe mistaken, that you are referring to their Source engine games; which can not be used at the same time. I contacted support last year, not unless they changed the policy when I was having trouble doing it. I don't know what a source engine game is. As I said it works now.

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